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TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 405	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:16:00 - [1] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something? The majority of what is left of the player base knows CPM has no influence over CCP. The 5k is about right, its just most of us know its pointless. I'd say the rest are torn between Judge's vote for me youtube campaign and the rest of whatever was left was probably friends voting for friends so that their friends can get that nifty CPM tag.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 407	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote Only thing I've known that CPM had been batting for on the forums that later showed up in a patch was the complete reworking of how tanks function, I think it was IWS who talked about how tanks should be highly mobile with waves of opportunity. That brought us 1.7 tank514. I have no idea what else was them since Uprising, If it was them that pushed the logi reworking and the ****** assault bonuses that would be two more strikes against them. I do know though that (I know they were under NDA and would face being blacklisted for the possibility of working with companies with NDAs) they didn't warn the community what they knew was months in the works that would of most certainly had people pull their spending. When people do this ** on kickstarter everyone hates them, but when a company does this, well they did what they thought was best hurrr durrr. I don't care personally if we have CPMs but they haven't in the past mattered much, unless someone can cite a point where they actually did influence a good decision from CCP.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 407	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [3] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF to. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same ****. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 409	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:42:00 - [4] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? You probably should of opened with "We haven't had a chance to influence anything yet" instead of "You don't know what we are doing!"
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 409	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:47:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding' It was probably as a bitter joke much like how players wanted Viktor to name the Laser Rifle "Laser Focused."
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 412	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:25:00 - [6] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF too, publicly, as you are being now. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same **. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it. "Legit" CPM were optimistic about what exactly...one quit and all the rest were outraged over FF. Shoveling what ** exactly? That things are happening behind NDA? You can presume what you like. I can't assuage your assumptions because NDA, but things are happening. <3 After FF. You're doing a good job though, some matrix style dodging there, just claim ignorance and everyone will believe you honestly! "You guys I really mean it!!! Guyyyyssss!" As the guard says in morrowind, "I'm sure you'll fit right in."
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 413	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:34:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. "If you don't vote republican or democrat obviously you shouldn't have a say in politics!" Oh you're that guy huh...
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 414	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:40:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 416	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:52:00 - [9] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise. When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Literally taken from your earlier post. These childish games you're playing feigning ignorance and backpedaling on what you just said doesn't make you clever. This is why a popularity contest (Of which only 10% voted in) was a terrible idea.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 416	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:58:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:06:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, they say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. It's not so much that its a bad idea as it isn't helpful, IE. CCP doesn't listen to them and they already stated with the whole FF ordeal. If you all really are that clueless about politics... FF happened and it was a huge PR disaster. So to salvage what they could and keep interest in Legion they are hotfixing Dust (an unfinished product) and they started a CPM election to play the community like a fiddle. The new CPM is here as a show that they care about the communities input. Its nothing more than a way to simulate a feeling that we have a say. 90% of us know we don't have a say and it's just a game they are playing. Hate us for not believing in rainbows and unicorns and sharing your idealism, but it is what it is. If they were sincere about the new CPM they wouldn't of gone ahead with it with such poor support from the community.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:09:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [ "I want CPM to break NDA" I want banks to tell me what they do with my money. Can you please actually quote me, its hard to refute that I wanted you to break NDA when you don't actually quote me.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:13:00 - [13] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. Oh okay I get it, when you say you are making a difference you aren't speaking on CCP's behalf. I had no idea that the CPM was actually supposed to not have any say or influence over the game. And here I thought the opposite was being claimed, my mistake. The rest is just more dodging. So is it NDA to not divulge what you did effect in charlie? Last I checked NDA's are not broken if you divulge public information. You're like a mentally challenged ninja dodging straight answers and claiming ignorance.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:15:00 - [14] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stating these things? Are you kidding me?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 419	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:22:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. Thank you for giving a straight answer. This does not make me hopeful for the rest of the new CPM if this is the way they are going to act.