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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:42:00 -
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I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:48:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is.
Would you prefer there was nothing?
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:50:00 -
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Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:13:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless.
No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit.
The point of the matter is that the Devs don't play the game as much as the players do, they don't understand the fine mechanics of know which feedback is accurate, and which is BS. The players on the other hand have a very deep understanding of the game, and that's why they're invaluable. If every thread in feedback was accurate? Sure, then I'd agree, but it's not.
The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor.
So you have two potential situations.
1. Devs listen to CPM1 - CPM delivers concentrated accurate feedback collected from the players and CCP responds accordingly. If this is the case, CPM improved the quality of the game and thus it's a good thing.
2. Devs don't listen to CPM1 - CPM delivers concentrated accurate feedback collected from the players and CCP ignores them. If this is the case, CPM had no effect on the quality of the game, and you should be bitching about CCP, not CPM.
Both of these situations are possible, CPM's existence is a positive for #1, and not a factor for #2. So by saying "I don't want the CPM, stop cramming it down our throats" you're really saying "I don't want to support a program which may have a positive impact on the game".
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:17:00 -
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I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:21:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads
But you just said they don't listen to CPM, so there's no resource cost, right? |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit
Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of **** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them.
*sniff* You think I'm a random?  |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:27:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
So they why are they there?
We dont need them
Thanks for playing
Some of us want them there because we feel it's important and matters.
You obviously feel they don't do anything, but since you believe their existence doesn't change anything, there is neither a negative or a positive to their existence.
Removing them in a negative for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you.
Keeping them is positive for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you.
Therefor the most beneficial action for the group as a whole is to keep them.
And thank you for playing.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point.
Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. |
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point.
Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny 
Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship  |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:35:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it
Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings.
Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:
Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'(
It's ******** that it isn't. Final Fantasy XIV has Cross-Play for PS3, PS4, and PC. Yet Destiny can't manage? It's stupid.
I don't think I've ever played a game with you before SoTa, we should link up in Destiny too, get some face shooting in. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it
Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? They're NDA'ed
I was speaking to Takahiro, since he seems to apparently know what goes on in the meetings despite not being on the council.
I'm well aware of what's NDA |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:48:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:
Doesn't CSM release scripts of there meetings or at least ball points to what was discussed?
Yes but they need to be cleared by CCP first, kind of a declassification process to make sure stuff that's still a secret for future development isn't in there. |
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