I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?

To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?

The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.

So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands.

Would you prefer there was nothing?

Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference.

Then that 90% has no right to complain.

So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced.

Is there a point here? I don't see a point.

It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads

*Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction....*

*scratches head*

Like I have access to that kind of info.

The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR.

The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account.

Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship

Because I can't think for myself apparently?

These are MY thoughts, not anyone else. Don't be this way SoTa. Continuing down this line of thinking will do nothing but diminish the respect I have for you.

Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings.

Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right?

Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)?

If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say.

So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right?

Thats wrong your still in cpm

Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding'

You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER.

If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP.

Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something.

The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM.

The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well.

You can, but it's just extra drama.

You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain.

Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results.

This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM."

The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all.

Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know.

DUST is 1000x better than when Uprising launched. I'm pretty sure CPM has played a significant role in getting the game to this point. I don't think CPM had any say about the Legion decision, and I'm sure it will be much better with their feedback than none at all. I have a real dislike for some of the progression ideas in Legion. I hope that the CPM can help temper some of those proposed ideas.

But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve.

You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b]

So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right?

Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stating these things? Are you kidding me?

Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times.

Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work;

God you're such a troll. "pretty much" is true...we did have an influence.

Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time.

Your rebellion has been duly noted. As of now, we will not be pursuing your termination from this game as your lack of participation and activity has met our in game removal requirements; furthermore, we expect most people to recognize this attempt to be the ravings of a broken soul.

lol

You're Sorry.

Goonservant candidate reporting for duty. How may I exploit my position in your favor, sir?

CPM, most of the community want you and appreciate the extra time you put in this game for its betterment.

Please don't feel like you have to waste your time trying to justify what you are doing to haters.

I'm only in this thread really to read the trolling. (Goons are the best trolls. SoTa tries, but he's bad at it.)



I'm doing my best to encourage them to be more open with the community. Rattati has done a great job interacting with the community on the hotfixes. Next step is getting the Legion devs to do the same for... like that entire game.

The fact you haven't seen the results does not mean they are not there.

You see the failures, because the failures are when CCP ignores the CPM and does dumb things.

You don't see the successes. Why not? Because the successes were usually preventing something bad from happening in the first place. Nobody can tell you what was going to happen, but it didn't happen, thanks to the CPM.

I'm pleased to say our efforts to place the candidates we wanted on the CPM has resulted in nothing but OVERWHELMING VICTORY!

We knew we could count on the voting public to do the right thing.




















Disclaimer: :Effort: was not actually expended in the making of this election. Goonfeet takes no responsibility for your inability to elect CPM members who can alter reality and CCP Dev thought processes.

I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc.

well im done with dust sota, so i didnt vote. probably would not have bothered to do so even if i was still playing as it seems pointless at this point.

im only still here for the anime

Indeed. Zero feedback from this forum will be brought elsewhere.

I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like *right now*.

If it's free, how can you afford it?

You're too broke to pay attention, much less pay for a freebie.

There's an unfortunate confusion in the terminology here. There were approximately 1000 ballots cast consisting of a group of one to seven votes. Admittedly a small number compared to the overall player base, but dividing the vote count by anything other than your projected proportion of alts to unique players isn't going to give you a correct interpretation.

they released all the data with the elections, there was a paste bin link with every step of the election process inside the data somewhere on the forums