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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:56:00 - [121] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. Exactly my point. It went from really bad, to even worse. Actually, Legion is great news to me. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 603	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:57:00 - [122] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Years to improve is the key phrase here. Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform?
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:57:00 - [123] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. You're trying to make it sound as if you weren't in CPM0. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1539	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:57:00 - [124] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Too bad dust is already dead. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 416	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:58:00 - [125] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:59:00 - [126] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform? CCP never gave an expiration date. Just think of Dust as being in a coma. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1542	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 - [127] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform? CCP never gave an expiration date. Just think of Dust as being in a coma. With no chance of waking up. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 - [128] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, then say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16184	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 - [129] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [ "I want CPM to break NDA" I want banks to tell me what they do with my money. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14699	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:03:00 - [130] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Who says we want them to have an influence? Who says we want incompetent players who bring no level of professionalism or wisdom to the "position" to have any more influence than any other random? CPM1 was voted in off of what, no more than 200 people casting their 7 votes? What a joke. I didn't vote because I don't want CPM to have a say. I'd rather CCP sink their own ship than let some randoms help them along their way. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5692	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:05:00 - [131] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor. Hey! You know that's not true man! Zatara is a very, ** where's my script? Oh here it is.... ehr.... CPM is.... a very... important..... and relevant po...sition, ah **, who let Ghostt write this? Eh.... all hail glorious leader Zatata!
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:06:00 - [132] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, they say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. It's not so much that its a bad idea as it isn't helpful, IE. CCP doesn't listen to them and they already stated with the whole FF ordeal. If you all really are that clueless about politics... FF happened and it was a huge PR disaster. So to salvage what they could and keep interest in Legion they are hotfixing Dust (an unfinished product) and they started a CPM election to play the community like a fiddle. The new CPM is here as a show that they care about the communities input. Its nothing more than a way to simulate a feeling that we have a say. 90% of us know we don't have a say and it's just a game they are playing. Hate us for not believing in rainbows and unicorns and sharing your idealism, but it is what it is. If they were sincere about the new CPM they wouldn't of gone ahead with it with such poor support from the community.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3866	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:09:00 - [133] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:09:00 - [134] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [ "I want CPM to break NDA" I want banks to tell me what they do with my money. Can you please actually quote me, its hard to refute that I wanted you to break NDA when you don't actually quote me.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3162	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:12:00 - [135] - Quote DUST is dead, Legion is Vaporware, and CCP are their usual selves, so quit giving ***** all of you the Pro and Anti CPM folks. Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:13:00 - [136] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. Oh okay I get it, when you say you are making a difference you aren't speaking on CCP's behalf. I had no idea that the CPM was actually supposed to not have any say or influence over the game. And here I thought the opposite was being claimed, my mistake. The rest is just more dodging. So is it NDA to not divulge what you did effect in charlie? Last I checked NDA's are not broken if you divulge public information. You're like a mentally challenged ninja dodging straight answers and claiming ignorance.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:14:00 - [137] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, they say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. It's not so much that its a bad idea as it isn't helpful, IE. CCP doesn't listen to them as they already stated with the whole FF ordeal. If you all really are that clueless about politics... FF happened and it was a huge PR disaster. So to salvage what they could and keep interest in Legion they are hotfixing Dust (an unfinished product) and they started a CPM election to play the community like a fiddle. The new CPM is here as a front to show that they care about the communities input. Its nothing more than a way to simulate a feeling that we have a say. 90% of us know we don't have a say and it's just a game they are playing. Hate us for not believing in faeries and unicorns and sharing your idealism, but it is what it is. If they were sincere about the new CPM they wouldn't of gone ahead with it with such poor support from the community. I saw Fanfest 2014 and yes it was an epic PR disaster for Dust. But it still doesn't change my mind about the CPM. Let's move on now. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:15:00 - [138] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stating these things? Are you kidding me?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 607	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:16:00 - [139] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b] Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? I love it when CPM contradict each other. Really shows how much faith we can have.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 607	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:16:00 - [140] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stating these things? Are you kidding me? No, that's his post style, consider anything in bold his response to anything not bolded above it.

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3866	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:17:00 - [141] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game...... Wait...have we really strayed so far from the OP? Which CPM in your opinion doesn't care about Dust? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:17:00 - [142] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DontChimpOut wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0? Soraya got elected by the players, not by CCP. There lies the biggest difference between the CPM0 and the CPM1. It makes no difference whether someone is appointed or elected. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16186	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:17:00 - [143] - Quote Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9063	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:20:00 - [144] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stated these things? Are you kidding me? That's actually how some of us respond. I do that too. EDIT: Wait, hold on. I think the quote chain got messed up on me here. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 608	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:20:00 - [145] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. And there you go folks, straight from CPM0 Quote: Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; Proof of CPM's ability to effect this game is pointless and useless. And don't pat yourself on the back for the LP gain - the entire community has been asking for that since we first found out how low it was.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3868	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:21:00 - [146] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b] Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? I love it when CPM contradict each other. Really shows how much faith we can have. God you're such a troll. "pretty much" is true...we did have an influence. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 419	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:22:00 - [147] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. Thank you for giving a straight answer. This does not make me hopeful for the rest of the new CPM if this is the way they are going to act.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:24:00 - [148] - Quote breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 608	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:28:00 - [149] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b] Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? I love it when CPM contradict each other. Really shows how much faith we can have. God you're such a troll. "pretty much" is true...we did have an influence. Are you ignoring the context of his post on purpose? How is it you effected Charlie if by the time your meeting took place Charlie was a "Done deal" Pretty much is just used as an emphasis here, seeing as the meeting took place 'after' charlie was a done deal according to Soraya. Now begone from my sight, peasant. You're CPM because the people who deserve it left.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1542	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:28:00 - [150] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.



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