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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [61] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know! Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)? If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [62] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing Some of us want them there because we feel it's important and matters. You obviously feel they don't do anything, but since you believe their existence doesn't change anything, there is neither a negative or a positive to their existence. Removing them in a negative for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Keeping them is positive for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Therefor the most beneficial action for the group as a whole is to keep them. And thank you for playing. Mostly a negative because they add a layer of bs which is filled with a few selected idiots who frankly are pub stars at best (excluding zatara but outnumber 6 to 1 anyways) The whole group is less than 10% btw so its a selected group for the few and obv not the many
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [63] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? Doesn't CSM release scripts of there meetings or at least ball points to what was discussed?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 - [64] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'( It's ******** that it isn't. Final Fantasy XIV has Cross-Play for PS3, PS4, and PC. Yet Destiny can't manage? It's stupid. I don't think I've ever played a game with you before SoTa, we should link up in Destiny too, get some face shooting in.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16181	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 - [65] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? They're NDA'ed CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 - [66] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This game does nothing but **** me off anymore. I get no enjoyment from it, and I haven't in almost a year now. Then why are you here? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:38:00 - [67] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'( While it does suck, at the very least it's nice that your character isn't locked to either system. So, if they get a PS4, they can use their character. Also with PS4 getting the Share software in the future, they may not even have to buy the game right away in order to play with you. Certainly not ideal, but it's nice that the option is there at least. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:38:00 - [68] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 - [69] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? They're NDA'ed I was speaking to Takahiro, since he seems to apparently know what goes on in the meetings despite not being on the council. I'm well aware of what's NDA
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5109	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 - [70] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game...... Right. Because people who are willing to give up their time for a game clearly shows how much they don't like the game they are making time for. CPM is a pretty selfless job regardless of the chances to possibly push ones agenda. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 - [71] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know! Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)? If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say. Do I have proof? Yes, yes I do. Please, refer to the old CPM section where we interacted with the CPM and they relayed some of what was going on. Council Chambers I believe, now, scroll around, and look at the topics. Notice a trend of what still sucks and what CPM is supposedly talking to CCP about? They aren't doing jack that isn't being accomplished in detail in the feedback section. If anything, the threads Nova has made show-cases just how poorly CCP is interacting with CPM that they had to PUBLICLY call them out on it - and from what I understand it only worked for a month of extra communication before going back to almost never seeing them. Shame I also can't share private conversations with CPM.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3057	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:40:00 - [72] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:40:00 - [73] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This game does nothing but ** me off anymore. I get no enjoyment from it, and I haven't in almost a year now. Then why are you here? To rustle you jimmies and amuse myself while I wait for Destiny to come out. And as I've said, I don't play anymore. Haven't in months. The game is uninstalled from all my systems and all my ISK has been handed out. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16183	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:41:00 - [74] - Quote Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 409	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:42:00 - [75] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? You probably should of opened with "We haven't had a chance to influence anything yet" instead of "You don't know what we are doing!"
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:43:00 - [76] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? lol, reminds me of Uprising, CPM took so much crap, yet they weren't around long enough to make a difference. Now, fast forward a year later with working with CPM. "Welcome to Legion!" .... LMAO@!~ We thought **** was bad BEFORE CPM - WITH CPM we were just straight up abandoned. Hahahahaha
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:43:00 - [77] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? So then if ccp has already decided whats going in, why do we need you? You got voted in on 22nd, add a week to start and thats not even the 1st, so your slow aswell
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:44:00 - [78] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding'
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6426	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:46:00 - [79] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know! Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)? If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say. Do I have proof? Yes, yes I do. Please, refer to the old CPM section where we interacted with the CPM and they relayed some of what was going on. Council Chambers I believe, now, scroll around, and look at the topics. Notice a trend of what still sucks and what CPM is supposedly talking to CCP about? They aren't doing jack that isn't being accomplished in detail in the feedback section. If anything, the threads Nova has made show-cases just how poorly CCP is interacting with CPM that they had to PUBLICLY call them out on it - and from what I understand it only worked for a month of extra communication before going back to almost never seeing them. Shame I also can't share private conversations with CPM. Link it. Also: I just said that the CPM can't do whatever they want. If you want to be p*ssed about anything, complain the Devs, not the CPM. All they do is try to tell CCP what their reps want. They don't have the final say, and they really don't have too much power. They are our VOICES. That doesn't mean that CCP will LISTEN. All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 409	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:47:00 - [80] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding' It was probably as a bitter joke much like how players wanted Viktor to name the Laser Rifle "Laser Focused."

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2808	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:48:00 - [81] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Doesn't CSM release scripts of there meetings or at least ball points to what was discussed? Yes but they need to be cleared by CCP first, kind of a declassification process to make sure stuff that's still a secret for future development isn't in there.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:48:00 - [82] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3860	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:49:00 - [83] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF too, publicly, as you are being now. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same **. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it. "Legit" CPM were optimistic about what exactly...one quit and all the rest were outraged over FF. Shoveling what ** exactly? That things are happening behind NDA? You can presume what you like. I can't assuage your assumptions because NDA, but things are happening. <3 B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:49:00 - [84] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding' I wanted IWS, Kevall, Cross, and Soraya together on CPM. These are guys who can help and speak to CCP with little to no biased for PC over NPE Besides Keval, which is what we need him for and we can trust they'll take the time to learn and understand what is going on. The rest of the CPM Cough were voted in out of popularity contests. No one believes for a second they have any background or ability to actually contribute, hopefully they'll cough just be a loud enough voice to echo what the other CPM's can't say loud enough. Not that it matters, they're just ignored in person compared to just being ignored on the forums like us, lol.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6432	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:50:00 - [85] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3860	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:50:00 - [86] - Quote The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM. The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:51:00 - [87] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. Looks at forum name, checks to see if there's any Red or Blue tags, then checks to see if CCP reads forums Green on all, so why can't we discuss it in view of CCP, exactly?
Roner General Ancient Exiles. 497	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:51:00 - [88] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM. The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well. haha i cant even believe you're CPM but w/e kinda turns me on tru #TueReligion
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6432	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:55:00 - [89] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. Looks at forum name, checks to see if there's any Red or Blue tags, then checks to see if CCP reads forums Green on all, so why can't we discuss it in view of CCP, exactly? You can, but it's just extra drama. You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain. Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:55:00 - [90] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM. The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well. My truck can lift 3 tons of weight on it's back, that's it's capacity. Will it ever reach it's capacity? Probably not, why? Because I won't use it to that capacity. CCP is the driver, you're the truck. And the community are the pedestrians walking around you, clueless that CCP driving you means that there lives are in danger.



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