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DROPSHIP CAPTAIN
ICE-9 PROJECT
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:35:00 -
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Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game...... |

Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2802
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:42:00 -
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I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. |

PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
578
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:45:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2802
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:48:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is.
Would you prefer there was nothing?
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
582
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:49:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is. Would you prefer there was nothing? Is there a difference?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2803
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:50:00 -
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Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference. |

Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3778
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:52:00 -
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If only OP
The last lot would have been voted out instantly after the fanfest legion show and cpm would have died a quick death and never returned but alas its not to be
We have to deal with a group of sub par pub players (excluding zatara the only good player with pc experience) trying to communicate with ccp which is mostly like a brick wall anyways who do there own thing and ignore the community while changing things on a whim which ends up with FOTM because they are short sighted and have no long term plan apart from being 'laser focused on pulling the dust plug'
Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher |

Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2803
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. |

PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
582
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:55:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference. It's fun to say that this is what's going on - but where's the evidence CPM is having any effect at all?
Talking to CCP directly means about the same if they ignore you too.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
583
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:00:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM?
CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO"
Clearly, CPM is useless.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3053
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:04:00 -
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So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced.
As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you?
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
583
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:06:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
1538
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:06:00 -
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wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something?
CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
14693
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:08:00 -
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Weren't the CPM voted in off something like 96 votes?
LMFAO
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3778
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:09:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain.
Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want |

13ard
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:10:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao
TIL. Youtuber's votes don't count. |

Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3053
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:10:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao
Is there a point here? I don't see a point.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3778
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:10:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao
Dont forget alts aswell |

Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3053
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:11:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want
The game would likely not still exist without a CPM, so if you don't want a CPM, here's the solution: Stop playing the game and go away. Effectively the same result. :)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Jammeh McJam
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:12:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game?
To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works?
The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore.
So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is. Would you prefer there was nothing? Yep
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2803
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:13:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless.
No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit.
The point of the matter is that the Devs don't play the game as much as the players do, they don't understand the fine mechanics of know which feedback is accurate, and which is BS. The players on the other hand have a very deep understanding of the game, and that's why they're invaluable. If every thread in feedback was accurate? Sure, then I'd agree, but it's not.
The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor.
So you have two potential situations.
1. Devs listen to CPM1 - CPM delivers concentrated accurate feedback collected from the players and CCP responds accordingly. If this is the case, CPM improved the quality of the game and thus it's a good thing.
2. Devs don't listen to CPM1 - CPM delivers concentrated accurate feedback collected from the players and CCP ignores them. If this is the case, CPM had no effect on the quality of the game, and you should be bitching about CCP, not CPM.
Both of these situations are possible, CPM's existence is a positive for #1, and not a factor for #2. So by saying "I don't want the CPM, stop cramming it down our throats" you're really saying "I don't want to support a program which may have a positive impact on the game".
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3778
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:14:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced.
As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you?
Since less than 10% of the playerbase voted for them im sure out of the remaining 90% we can find enough to get rid of the cpm
The cpm has been useless and ccp have just used it for there own needs like after legion fanfest IWS was wheeled out to defend ccp and thats all they ever seem to do is defend ccp and do nothing for the community
You can address it by leaving since you dont really do much anyways, not going to miss the cpm if it never did anything worthwhile to begin with |

True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12900
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:15:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference.
Laser focused bro......
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Jammeh McJam
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:15:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced.
As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? 937 votes, each person has 7 votes to spread out... Sooooo 937 ++ 7?
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
6417
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:15:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want
THEN THEY SHOULD FREAKING VOTE
Democracy isn't something you do on cruise control people.
FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3778
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want The game would likely not still exist without a CPM, so if you don't want a CPM, here's the solution: Stop playing the game and go away. Effectively the same result. :)
lol
7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to?
Frankly cpm cant do anything, it will be the agreements with sony, ccp and profits which will talk not puppets |

TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
405
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:16:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something?
The majority of what is left of the player base knows CPM has no influence over CCP. The 5k is about right, its just most of us know its pointless. I'd say the rest are torn between Judge's vote for me youtube campaign and the rest of whatever was left was probably friends voting for friends so that their friends can get that nifty CPM tag. |

Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2803
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:17:00 -
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I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? |

Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
3778
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:18:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want THEN THEY SHOULD FREAKING VOTE Democracy isn't something you do on cruise control people.
*SUPERDOUBLEWRISTARMSHATTERINGFACEPALM*
Im sorry was there an option to not have the cpm?
No there wasnt so why would you vote for something that you dont want to exist?
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
584
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao Is there a point here? I don't see a point. I wouldn't want to see the point either if it meant my tag might be taken away.
I voted, and for you Soraya, but admit it, your position is useless. 1v1 talks with CCP has proven ineffective completely, it didn't stop a years worth of bad updates and lies, and it didn't stop CCP putting a knife to there throats to shut them up about CCP's plan to milk then abandon us.
The only real thing you guys can do, warn us of CCP's drastic changes, and you can't even do that.
CPM proved it's point - you guys are the most popular who tried - congrats. Time to move on and accept your position is that of a janitor, to clean up CCP's terrible community management.
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