The logi shouldn't be tampered with. What are you going to put in that extra equipment slot? The most important items for a logi is nanohive, needles, and reps. You can exchange with nanohive/uplink as you see fit. But other than that, why would the cal logi need an extra equipment slot?

Logi's survivability rate is not as high thanks to the changes to reduce the slayer logi. Saying yes to Alogi changes only means that other changes will come that are not beneficial to the playerbase as a whole.

Plus we are adjusting Dust 514 to be its own lil private world, separate from EVE. What does it matter what racial suit you pick when logis are the same across the board? It's that diversity that entices. Having everything in the same color just doesn't make sense.

Especially since they said they wanted a dynamic battlefield. More and more CCP is changing that. Lets keep the variety and differences between the racial suits in game.

Well said, well said. My concern with this is: Why does the slot say "H" for HEAVY, yet a light weapon can be put on it?

You're not that bright either.

You're not that bright either.

Also, if you would like to make some changes, please take light weapons off of Sentinel suits. If you want to use a rail rifle, use a commando. It's already hard enough breaking through the armor of a Sentinel and it's impossible to get anywhere when you're getting shot in the face with a light weapon.

Name calling just proves you have no counter to an argument so I'll just take my leave and say that you're idea is wrong and you should feel bad.

Such a bad reason to nerf something. Because there are many people using it, it must be nerfed? wtf? Really?
This would be the same reason the AR was kept so weak in comparison to other rifles for so long, right? And this was the same logic behind "data seemed to suggest that the SCR is UP", as relatively few people were using it? But now you yourself have attempted to balance the rifles NOT according to just how many people use them, but actual performance.

So why do the logi suits need to be nerfed based on how many people use them? Also, once again, I and many others have said this many many times, the assault suits being weak is not the logi suit's fault, it just means the assault suits need a buff. Nerfing logi suits will do absolutely nothing to fix the assault suits. The reason there are so many people NOT using the assault suits is because CCP has refused to buff the assault suits for over a year now, even though anyone playing the game knows they need it, and need it badly.

Guess what. Nothing about your proposed changes to logis will make assaults better at being assaults, either.

You DO realize that the dropsuit is the single most expensive thing in the game (for infantry, at least) to skill into. So when skilling into a suit, you are committing to using it it for quite a while before you can get another one. So, yes, many people have chosen to spec into a logi suit instead of an assault, NOT because the logi suit is a great assault suit, but because the assault suit is bad.

Also. As a min logi, with my CCP prescribed rep tool, I currently struggle keeping up with the OP heavies that I'm supposed to rep. I can't stack on much more speed, because I'm already paper thin, but I can't brick tank either (even if I wanted to) because then there is no way I can keep up with the heavies that stack kin cats instead of plates, as most of the good heavies have realized they don't really need plates anymore, thanks to all the buffs. And you want to make me even slower. Really? Thanks, Rattati, you're such a pal.

Time to retire the rep tool, I guess.

Oh, and. As I thankfully got rid of my Amarr logi when 1.8 hit, I don't really gaf, but taking away the sidearm... such BS. So, you planning on reimbursing the sidearm skill tree for all Amarr logis?

The only counter I am offering is intelligence. Not even that, its just basic common sense.

Some things I figured should go without saying. In other words, there should be an understanding without taking the time to explain the simplistic.

Yes, a merc should be able to customize as long as its is well within the guidelines.. An assault cannot fit a HMG because of its powergrid costs. Meaning, the suit powers the weapon. The suit also uses CPU to process its functionality, where the CPU cost come in. We haven't even discussed the weight and heat matters.

But a sentinel can fit a RR. Because the weapon's CPU and PG costs are not as high. The weight is light. Weapon heat is not a problem.

So I responded the way I did because lets just be honest, you wanted to be a smart butt about it.

Oh and why you quoted the post that was made to respond to the other guy? Is that your alt?

Leaving the A-Logi sidearm alone would be pretty smart...

Leaving the A-Logi sidearm alone would be pretty smart...

That would make it a slayer logi instead of support. Think about it, why would you use it for support if you have 4 equipment, and space for a proto lw and sidearm (at the proto level of course)

If you read the description of the Amarr logi it says combat focused meaning that it's supposed to be a slayer of sorts.

Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?

Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?

Also the Cal never really got any special prize (like the side arm) for losing that extra slot.

First, big kudos to Crazy Cat Lady for posting this up and starting the conversation.

Second, Change can be frustrating but may open up some opportunity for us Logi players.

Feedback on Hotfix Charlie possibly logo updates:

2) Speed nerd to Logi - bad call. The speed of the logi was never what made them a "slayer" the versatility and ability to increase damage or tank was the reason. I think you could actually make a decent case for slightly increasing the base movement rate of the Logi's but not increase the sprint speed since that is more useful in maintaining pace with heavies and scouts on the offense.

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c) Look at opening up scaled bonus for equipment across all types. Basically you get the current racially assigned equipment bonus AND you get a smaller buff for the other equipment types.

Well said, well said. My concern with this is: Why does the slot say "H" for HEAVY, yet a light weapon can be put on it?

Speed is inherently tied to base movement speed. Sprint is (movement) * 1.4 * (other modifiers).
I'd actually really like to see the base movement speed of all frames the same with each role having a different sprint modifier.
e.g. Gallente Scout, Assault, Logistics, Sentinel, and Commando all move at 5.45m/s while all Minmatar suit move at 5.6m/s. All Sentinel suits sprint modifier on 1.2, Commando 1.25, Logi 1.3, Assault 1.35 and scout 1.5

Logistics need a bonus to all support equipment

This interesting option should be considered.

I believe the proposed changes to the Amarr logis are fine as they where never meant to be filling in a slayer role in the first place so getting rid of the side arm and moving it to the equipment slot makes sense considering they are looking into making the assault class more viable in patch charlie.

The movement speed is also justifiable as they are not front line fighters nor are they scouts so believe or not the logistics class is now become a more defined support role. Leave the speed to the scouts and assault classes.

First, big kudos to Crazy Cat Lady for posting this up and starting the conversation.

Second, Change can be frustrating but may open up some opportunity for us Logi players.

Feedback on Hotfix Charlie potential Logi updates:

1) WP scaling for needles - spot on and long over due. I would propose a slightly different WP reward mechanism for consideration. Additionally, the nanite injector probably should be effected positively in some way by the Cal Logi racial bonus.

2) Speed nerf to Logi - bad call. The speed of the logi was never what made them a "slayer" the versatility and ability to increase damage or tank was the reason. I think you could actually make a decent case for slightly increasing the base movement rate of the Logi's but not increase the sprint speed since that is more useful in maintaining pace with heavies and scouts on the offense.

3) Evening out the number of modules - need more info on this one. This change, coupled with equipment slot changes, is a major overhaul and you might get close to "over homogenizing" the logi class if you aren't careful. Don't get me wrong, I'm very open to change but it must be carefully considered.

Possible smart ideas for consideration:

a) Require every equipment slot to be filled. Similar mechanic to requiring a weapon to be equipped; this will not harm logi's in any way since we are already filling the slots. It will, however, discourage folks from rocking all proto mods, weapons, and nades while leaving equipment slots.

b) Significant bonuses to sidearms. Let me be VERY clear, I'm not a proponent for requiring Logi's run sidearms but I'm OK with incentivizing us carrying sidearms. We could get a 5% reduction to CPU/PG use and 2% increase in Damage per level and that might very well be enough to incentivize fairly significant use of sidearms.

c) Look at opening up scaled bonus for equipment across all types. Basically you get the current racially assigned equipment bonus AND you get a smaller buff for the other equipment types.