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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:01:00 -
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So um, why are we tampering with the logi again? |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:14:00 -
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I suggest we stop talking about nerfing stuff and lets address other issues. Don't you guys get tired of constantly chasing the unicorn of balance that will NEVER be achieved?
Let's talk about game modes. Let's talk about why I still can't press T for comms. Let's talk about unique events. Let's talk about other things besides the constant month to month nerfing of weapons and dropsuits.
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:21:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Also, if you would like to make some changes, please take light weapons off of Sentinel suits. If you want to use a rail rifle, use a commando. It's already hard enough breaking through the armor of a Sentinel and it's impossible to get anywhere when you're getting shot in the face with a light weapon.
Just stop it. If we go down the path of forcing people to change how they play with making sure light weapons can't fit on sentinels then this will have a ripple effect. This game is about customization. Because you don't use it and its a headache to you, doesn't mean that we should just not allow the freedom of customization to others.
Lets not force people to play how we want them to play.
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:26:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Any more smart ideas that we can slot in? As a Cal logi I am extremely happy about the increased equipment slot. I do have some concerns regarding the CPU/PG on ADV and Proto being able to fit another peace of equipment. STD has PG and CPU to spare -_- I don't like the idea of slowing us down even more with Assaults potentially getting more speed and EHP (ether through base HP or increase to CPU/PG allowing them to fit higher tear modules.) Trying to ketch one of them for reps or amo is going to be a pain if this happens. The A-logi losing it's sidearm.... You're going to have a lot of mad A-logi's as it tends to bridge the gap between Assaults and Logi's but not surprising if your giving them an extra low and another equipment.
The logi shouldn't be tampered with. What are you going to put in that extra equipment slot? The most important items for a logi is nanohive, needles, and reps. You can exchange with nanohive/uplink as you see fit. But other than that, why would the cal logi need an extra equipment slot?
Logi's survivability rate is not as high thanks to the changes to reduce the slayer logi. Saying yes to Alogi changes only means that other changes will come that are not beneficial to the playerbase as a whole.
Plus we are adjusting Dust 514 to be its own lil private world, separate from EVE. What does it matter what racial suit you pick when logis are the same across the board? It's that diversity that entices. Having everything in the same color just doesn't make sense.
Especially since they said they wanted a dynamic battlefield. More and more CCP is changing that. Lets keep the variety and differences between the racial suits in game. |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:34:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:Also, if you would like to make some changes, please take light weapons off of Sentinel suits. If you want to use a rail rifle, use a commando. It's already hard enough breaking through the armor of a Sentinel and it's impossible to get anywhere when you're getting shot in the face with a light weapon. Just stop it. If we go down the path of forcing people to change how they play with making sure light weapons can't fit on sentinels then this will have a ripple effect. This game is about customization. Because you don't use it and its a headache to you, doesn't mean that we should just not allow the freedom of customization to others. Lets not force people to play how we want them to play. Well going by your logic of freedom of customization I want my assault suit to use the hmg then.
This is where being smart makes you look dumb. That is not logical what you have stated. An assault suit cannot carry, power and withstand the heat being produced by the HMG, why its able to be fit on a Sentinel.
So basically, use you some damn common sense instead of trying to be smart in your response. It makes you look stupid, friend. |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:36:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:Also, if you would like to make some changes, please take light weapons off of Sentinel suits. If you want to use a rail rifle, use a commando. It's already hard enough breaking through the armor of a Sentinel and it's impossible to get anywhere when you're getting shot in the face with a light weapon. Just stop it. If we go down the path of forcing people to change how they play with making sure light weapons can't fit on sentinels then this will have a ripple effect. This game is about customization. Because you don't use it and its a headache to you, doesn't mean that we should just not allow the freedom of customization to others. Lets not force people to play how we want them to play. Well going by your logic of freedom of customization I want my assault suit to use the hmg then. Well said, well said. My concern with this is: Why does the slot say "H" for HEAVY, yet a light weapon can be put on it?
You're not that bright either. |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:47:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:
Name calling just proves you have no counter to an argument so I'll just take my leave and say that you're idea is wrong and you should feel bad.
The only counter I am offering is intelligence. Not even that, its just basic common sense.
Some things I figured should go without saying. In other words, there should be an understanding without taking the time to explain the simplistic.
Yes, a merc should be able to customize as long as its is well within the guidelines.. An assault cannot fit a HMG because of its powergrid costs. Meaning, the suit powers the weapon. The suit also uses CPU to process its functionality, where the CPU cost come in. We haven't even discussed the weight and heat matters.
But a sentinel can fit a RR. Because the weapon's CPU and PG costs are not as high. The weight is light. Weapon heat is not a problem.
So I responded the way I did because lets just be honest, you wanted to be a smart butt about it.
Oh and why you quoted the post that was made to respond to the other guy? Is that your alt? |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 06:30:00 -
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The slaylogi tears were stupid. If a logi decides to kill and not follow a heavy all day like a dog, that's his choice. As long as he's dropping nano reppers and supporting a team, I didn't see a problem. When I logi'd, I maimed and murdered on the battlefield and I stopped for hurt mercs to give them support. I like to kill reds and support blues. What's the big deal about that? |
Mikey Ducati
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Posted - 2014.07.10 07:44:00 -
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If people are so concerned with slayer logis then here's an idea: how about we remove ALL weapons from the logi dropsuit? Boom, no more "slayer" logi. |
Mikey Ducati
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Posted - 2014.07.10 08:21:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:
Name calling just proves you have no counter to an argument so I'll just take my leave and say that you're idea is wrong and you should feel bad.
The only counter I am offering is intelligence. Not even that, its just basic common sense. Some things I figured should go without saying. In other words, there should be an understanding without taking the time to explain the simplistic. Yes, a merc should be able to customize as long as its is well within the guidelines.. An assault cannot fit a HMG because of its powergrid costs. Meaning, the suit powers the weapon. The suit also uses CPU to process its functionality, where the CPU cost come in. We haven't even discussed the weight and heat matters. But a sentinel can fit a RR. Because the weapon's CPU and PG costs are not as high. The weight is light. Weapon heat is not a problem. So I responded the way I did because lets just be honest, you wanted to be a smart butt about it. Oh and why you quoted the post that was made to respond to the other guy? Is that your alt? I'm not being a smart but about it. Your idea is just plain wrong. The hmg doesn't take up very much cpu or power grid to use at all for an assault suit (after cpu/power grid mods if your not maxed out in the skills) I'm countering your logic about 'everything should be customizable' which thid stament is a false perception. What is happening here is that you want the heavy suit to fill out both the slayer role and the tanker 'I kick your ass with a hmg' role. Lets think logically then. A heavy suit was designed to carry weapons that no normal suit can via an exoskeleton hence why they have such a tremendous amount of health points but the down side is that the suits design means that it shouldn't be able to carry light weapons (or side arms) due to the large scale the hands/arms/whatever need to be to hold said heavy guns. In the beginning there was only a few roles in dust which is the scout class, assault class, logi class and heavy class. Then came the commando a little later on down the track. Now back then the heavy class was only meant to use the light weapons for range combat as a place holder until longer ranged heavy weapons came in - but didn't due to stuff. With CCP Rattati making roles more defined it only makes sense logically that the commando suit fills the role of the 'heavy with the light weapon' and not the Sentinel. Tl;dr your wrong because you love your Sentinel and light weapon combo and should feel bad. Also I'm no alt nor is the guy/girl I just defend people when I feel like it. I hope that too many words in one post doesn't hurt your head as you seem to fail at understanding what the 'H' stands for in the Sentinel suit fitting section.
They have a tremendous amount of HP because they are point defenders. Why they are given a 50 caliber weapon in the first place.
You're arguing to "win" on the internet and its stupid. I just explained to you why the all weapons can fit on the Sentinel as opposed to Assault that cannot handle a HMG.
Also, you're making assumptions. I use a sentinel, yes. But I do not use my Sen with a RR. My Sen only carries FG and HMG. If other people choose to do so, I don't get upset that they are doing it. I just make a personal mockery of them by killing them. Simple as that.
Again, players need to understand that because you might choose to make a set up a certain way doesn't mean the next player will do so. It's fairly simple to kill a Sentinel with a light weapon. In fact, it can be argued that the light weapon puts them at a disadvantage. That is, if you know how to exploit it. But that's for you and others to find out. Maybe read the Art of War or something.
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 08:25:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:If people are so concerned with slayer logis then here's an idea: how about we remove ALL weapons from the logi dropsuit? Boom, no more "slayer" logi. What's your point here? Those early days of 1.0 were fraking miserable for everybody but Cal logis, and you know it. No one wants to see that crap return. The Cal logi suit was ridiculous in the amount of CPU/PG it had -- which is why I suggested that heavy be looked at, cause I suspect it might be the same problem. I've got core to 5, and cpu and engineering to 2, and I can fit just about anything I want on an Amarr heavy suit.
My point could be found in my post quite simply. I don't speak in riddles. If people hate the slayer logi so much...better yet for your understanding of my point...if people despise slayer logis then the weapon should be removed since its so highly frowned upon with the general discussion community that a logistics players can actually kill too.
I see no problem slayer logis because I have been killed by everything in Dust before. So why does it matter that there are "slayer logis"? I like a guy who can give me reps and then drop the rep tool to pop some melons with me near the frontline.
Not trying to be smart, but do you understand my point now? |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 09:39:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote: Alright, fair enough, I probably came on a little strong there.
But the problem with this is game balance -- you shouldn't be able to perform those roles equally, not by way of suit stats, at any rate. Being powerful in one area should result in being deficient in another. You shouldn't be able to rez, rep, and resupply, and also murder everything that moves, and be able to tank your suit, otherwise there's no point in playing other roles, or even having them. By that same token, we may as well just remove all the medium suits except one, and let people fit it any way they want.
And if you like logis who are not afraid of the front lines, and know how to both rep and pop a cap in someone's ass, hit me up sometime, I'll roll with you :)
Cool, sounds like some fun. |
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