Give the Cal logi its old CPU and PG back.

One of the concepts I wanted to explore further with you guys is extended bonus beyond the primary racial equipment choice.

Several of us have mentioned it and i think it has a lot of merit if handled well. Any thoughts on proposals for how this might shake out?

Off the top of my head I was thinking something along the ideas of this:

Cal Logi
1) keeps current hive bonus (add increased effect for needles for Cal suits)
2) 2% decrease in spawn times from droplinks per level
3) 2% increase in rep tool range per level
4) 5% increase in range of active scanner per level

Gal Logi
1) Keeps current active scanner bonus
2) 1x additional spawn per level for drop links
3) 2% increase in rep tool effectiveness per level
4) 5% increase in nanite reservoir in hives per level

Min Logi
1) Keeps current rep tool bonus
2) 5% increased in dmg and blast radius of REs per level
3) 2% increase in nanite replenishment rate in hives per level
4) 2% decrease in spawn times from drop links per level

Amarr Logi
1) Keeps current drop link bonus
2) 5% increase in rep tool effectiveness
3) 2% increase in damage / blast radius for REs
4) 2% increase in nanite replenishment rate per level

You've got an interesting approach going on there Jay, let me brainstorm a bit on it. So below I've listed some of the most obvious choices for equipment and pointed out that each could get a bonus to 2 attributes.

Repair Tool: Range & Rate
Scanner: Range & Precision
Hive: Rate & Capacity
Uplinks: Rate & Capacity
Remotes/Mines: Damage & Radius

What if the suit got both bonuses for its racial equipment (Which would be what they have now) and then the full bonus for all others, but only on one of the two attributes. So for example:
CalLogi
+% To Capacity & Replenish/Repair Rate of Nanohives
+% Precision of Scanners
+% Range of Repair Tools
+% Capacity of Uplinks

I'm also a personal fan of giving all Logi's fully bonuses to Remotes/Mines, I think its an interesting and fun mechanic to make the Logi's have their own form of AV but also be kind of the Tactician class by making traps and whatnot.

+1

Though I would hold off on any remote bonuses or proxy mine bonuses for the moment.

The following changes to the Logistics role have been proposed as part of Hotfix Charlie.



I would like to know the Logistic Community's thoughts on these proposed changes.

Most of us would likely agree with the WP for Injectors. Looking forward to seeing better quality needles on the field

The speed reduction is not something I personally support. The logistics role has changed a lot since "Scout 514" and reducing our speed will make it even harder for us to keep up with and support our squad/team. I would not like to see that any slower.

Increasing the equipment slots for Caldari and Amarr also makes sense now that scouts have two slots- it seems a bit odd that a logi and scout should have the same number of slots in the first place. Also the Cal never really got any special prize (like the side arm) for losing that extra slot. Looking forward to seeing some more Caldari Logi's if this change comes through.

Disappointed that the uplink bonus on the Amarr suit is still not fixed. Rather than playing around with the side-arm of the Amarr Logi - I would have liked to see this addressed first.

Overall, its super exciting that our role is getting some attention

Guys...i might be looking for a couple hard core Logi Bro / Sis folks for the Biomassed show this weekend.

I'm looking for long time varsity level nominees to help represent the community... who do you folks want me to try and get on the show?

Ps... sounds like the Devs dig the show as well.

Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?

So um, why are we tampering with the logi again?

Hey here is a proposal! after using small Rail gun turrets i have this to say... just like the Rail Rifle some shots taht you shoot do no register just like the rail rifle at one point I propose a fix for that and a new reticle for the weapon as well.

Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?

I have an idea, but I don't know if you can do it server side only ...

Fill ONE of each Race's Logi Equipment slots with whatever YELLOW BPO Equipment (Similar to Starter Fit Yellow Modules) their Race is Bonused in:

Amarr - Uplink
Caldari - Nanohive
Gallente - Scanner
Minmatar - Rep Tool

Make these Yellow BPO Equipment Modules the same Tier as the Logi Suit:

STD Logi gets STD Yellow Module
ADV Logi gets ADV Yellow Module
PRO Logi gets PRO Yellow Module

It's only one Equip slot, the others will still be empty for CPU/PG versatility

This would allow you to maintain the higher CPU/PG required to Fit Logi Suits but would limit the ability of players to leave the Equipment slots empty and use the extra CPU/PG to build 'Slayer Logi's' (one Equip slot would always have something in it)

It would also encourage players to use the equipment that the suit is bonused for, as it will be automatically fitted (like Starter Fittings).

Players will still have the ability to cover the Yellow Module with a different or higher tier module so versatility isn't affected.

Agreed, that would be a big much all at once, but it's something I'd like people to start thinking about at the very least.

How about NOT NERFING INJIECTORS WP?

I was there when injectors were 40wp/revive and NOONE used them.

At 25/50 wp? Being revived will be as rare as a miracle.

An assist will give you the same wp as a revive, without needing to get yourself in danger/waste a equip slot/pg-cpu.

With scouts having almost the same equip, better stealth, hp and speed and injectors having crap rewards logi will go extint.

Have fun being drowned by people lamenting noone revive them.

I'm a little confused on that that relates to the to topic of Logistics?

I may be wrong but i do recall a dev saying about any propositions ;P

I'm not being a smart but about it....

Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?

I'm not exactly "varsity level", but I've been around the block a few times in my Amarr logi (major topic of the day, obviously) and I'd volunteer if I weren't working this weekend.

So, I'd nominate Mortedeamor since she rocks the Amarr logi as well as anyone.

(The other usual suspects would be CCL, Shayz, maybe RedBleach?)

I would like to see a shield rep tool. Also I would not mind giving all logistic suits a side arm slot and removing the light weapon slot putting more focus on support than slaying.

An EVENT that logis can participate in. pretty please

@Pokey Dravon

so let me get this straight.....

you want logis to have more reduction to equipment pg/cpu bonus?

for what reason?

so that a logi can now carry 2 different reping hives as well as 2 ammo hives, and on top of that be able fit high end shield and armor mods?

ummmmm............we had that already.......remember.........it was called 1.? ( forget which patch number it was ).................when it was impossible to kill a loge even with a point blank hmg

If they reduced the base cpu/pg of the logi suits then i would agree 100%, that would be a great idea. But since logi's have huge cpu/pg resources especially with the cpu/pg passive skills, giving them even lower equipment reduction bonus would be a bad thing.

Also think about how much cloaked scouts are a problem, now add in logis that can abuse cloaks as well. Since cloaks are equipment the cpu/pg would be greatly reduced for that as well.

To be honest anything you do to a logi will leave people the option to use it as a slayer instead of a support, and i think CCP is trying to get logi's to be more of a supportive role as they were intended to be.

Well that's kinda key to my proposal, the increase to the reduction bonus MUST be paired with a decrease to the current base PG/CPU, otherwise that would be overpowered as ****. I do apologize if that was unclear in my original post.

Also they're changing it so the Logi's equipment bonus does not work for Cloaks, so that is non-issue.

As for Logi slayers you can't really look at it the same way as you used to. Sentinels and Scouts were a lot weaker back then, then they got proper role bonuses and are now the primary suits used in competitive play because they got a lot better, whereas the Assaults and Logis were largly left behind. Keep in mind that survivability does not make a suit "A Slayer", it just makes it viable in competitive play. What DOES make a slayer are skills and abilities thats boost offensive capabilities, abilities which this proposale of Logi's do not have, but Assaults do.

Medium frames in general need to be balanced against Light and Heavy, and then differentiate their roles be giving Assaults additional offensive abilities, and Logistisics additional support abilities.

How about NOT NERFING INJIECTORS WP?

I was there when injectors were 40wp/revive and NOONE used them.

At 25/50 wp? Being revived will be as rare as a miracle.

An assist will give you the same wp as a revive, without needing to get yourself in danger/waste a equip slot/pg-cpu.

With scouts having almost the same equip, better stealth, hp and speed and injectors having crap rewards logi will go extint.

Have fun being drowned by people lamenting noone revive them.