Equipment Bonuses
I think that forcing players to only have bonuses to a single equipment but giving them 3-4 slots is kinda silly. Racial bonuses are sweet, but so are role bonuses. Logi's should be the best at using equipment, period, and even better at using their own racial equipment. I have two suggestions for reworked bonuses for equipment

1. Logi's get full bonus for their racial equipment, as well as full bonus for another race's equipment, such that each has a unique pair. For example
Amarr: Bonus to Uplinks & Nanohives
Caldari: Bonus to Nanohives & Scanners
Gallente: Bonus to Scanners & Repair Tools
Minmatar: Bonus to Repair Tool & Uplinks
2. Logi's get full bonus for their racial equipment, as well as a partial bonus for all other race's equipment.

I personally like 1 a bit more, but I imagine most will prefer 2. I'd be content with either option. On a side note, I'd actually like all Logi's to get some form of bonus to remote explosives and proximity mines. I feel it really suits their Control and Indirect Combat themes, and would certainly bring and interesting dynamic to those equipment.

Conclusion
(Keep in mind I think more changes need to be made to all medium frames in general to properly balance them against Light and Heavy, however balancing Assault vs Logi is an important step as well)

• Logi's need similar survivability to Assaults. General defenses should be part of the frame suit, not the role. Variations will exist, but overall they should be similar
• Boost Equipment fitting bonus significantly (50%-75% reduction at level 5 instead of current 25%)
• Give Logi's similar slots and PG/CPU to assaults, but make their effective PG/CPU much higher, but only if equipment is used to take advantage of the larger reduction bonus.
• Expand bonuses for racial equipment to make it less restrictive.

The following changes to the Logistics role have been proposed as part of Hotfix Charlie.



I would like to know the Logistic Community's thoughts on these proposed changes.

Most of us would likely agree with the WP for Injectors. Looking forward to seeing better quality needles on the field

The speed reduction is not something I personally support. The logistics role has changed a lot since "Scout 514" and reducing our speed will make it even harder for us to keep up with and support our squad/team. I would not like to see that any slower.

Dj Grammer: Agreed. Do not decrease Logi speed. They are the slowest of the medium frames. Do not decrease the speed even further.

Increasing the equipment slots for Caldari and Amarr also makes sense now that scouts have two slots- it seems a bit odd that a logi and scout should have the same number of slots in the first place. Also the Cal never really got any special prize (like the side arm) for losing that extra slot. Looking forward to seeing some more Caldari Logi's if this change comes through.

Disappointed that the uplink bonus on the Amarr suit is still not fixed. Rather than playing around with the side-arm of the Amarr Logi - I would have liked to see this addressed first.

Overall, its super exciting that our role is getting some attention

Pre 1.7 logis were the rage because assaults were no good, now scouts and heavies are the rage for the same reason. They do the same job as assaults, but better, and with the additional advantages of the other class. Strangely, by CCP logic, the answer to both scenarios is to nerf logis.

hey i know people speced into the ammar logi for one of two reasons. 1 they liked the bonus to uplink spawn time .2 they liked the logi that had a side arm which you are trying to get ride of.... i think if you want to mess with all of that you might as well give a respec because that isnt fair to take away the side arm that they speced into the suit for. i know im going to get hated on for saying respec but that is a big part when I used my logi a lot saved me many times over. and people will also say a side arm is useless which is false when you run lazer weaponry you need to avoid the over heat so you flip out your side arm and get the kill. again now you are going to say you are running it to slay but it is defensive.

It comes down to a simple fact. If you want something to be good at something, give it bonuses to make it good at that something. Dont nerf everything else to reach the lowest common denominator. Assaults are the only role without a strong defining feature to hammer in the "THIS IS THE MOFO SLAYER SUIT" so people go to other classes instead. If you actually make the Assault perform like it SHOULD, then it will be its nature be better than the Logi at killing ****.

I really dislike crude solutions like "oh, well, take away Logi's weapon" or "Force them to fill their slots!". Even with our limited developmental capabilities, there are far more eloquent (and often very simple) solutions to many of the problems we face.

Right, we the logistics players only have the one light weapon. We are back-up not meant for frontline killing. I will ask people to do one thing. Spend all of your skill points into a logistics fit and tell me me how we are slayers. Also try to be an actual LogiBro. I will tell you right now it is not easy.

Amarr Logi bonus is working correctly as the uplinks revert to their normal times when the player dies or switches suits, but will return back to their enhanced times when the player is in the Amarr Logi.

Give the Cal logi its old CPU and PG back.

Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?

If people are so concerned with slayer logis then here's an idea: how about we remove ALL weapons from the logi dropsuit? Boom, no more "slayer" logi.

I'm not being a smart but about it. Your idea is just plain wrong. The hmg doesn't take up very much cpu or power grid to use at all for an assault suit (after cpu/power grid mods if your not maxed out in the skills) I'm countering your logic about 'everything should be customizable' which thid stament is a false perception.

What is happening here is that you want the heavy suit to fill out both the slayer role and the tanker 'I kick your ass with a hmg' role.

Lets think logically then. A heavy suit was designed to carry weapons that no normal suit can via an exoskeleton hence why they have such a tremendous amount of health points but the down side is that the suits design means that it shouldn't be able to carry light weapons (or side arms) due to the large scale the hands/arms/whatever need to be to hold said heavy guns.

In the beginning there was only a few roles in dust which is the scout class, assault class, logi class and heavy class. Then came the commando a little later on down the track.

Now back then the heavy class was only meant to use the light weapons for range combat as a place holder until longer ranged heavy weapons came in - but didn't due to stuff.

With CCP Rattati making roles more defined it only makes sense logically that the commando suit fills the role of the 'heavy with the light weapon' and not the Sentinel.

Tl;dr your wrong because you love your Sentinel and light weapon combo and should feel bad.

Also I'm no alt nor is the guy/girl I just defend people when I feel like it.

I hope that too many words in one post doesn't hurt your head as you seem to fail at understanding what the 'H' stands for in the Sentinel suit fitting section.

What's your point here? Those early days of 1.0 were fraking miserable for everybody but Cal logis, and you know it. No one wants to see that crap return.

The Cal logi suit was ridiculous in the amount of CPU/PG it had -- which is why I suggested that heavy be looked at, cause I suspect it might be the same problem. I've got core to 5, and cpu and engineering to 2, and I can fit just about anything I want on an Amarr heavy suit.

My point could be found in my post quite simply. I don't speak in riddles. If people hate the slayer logi so much...better yet for your understanding of my point...if people despise slayer logis then the weapon should be removed since its so highly frowned upon with the general discussion community that a logistics players can actually kill too.

I see no problem slayer logis because I have been killed by everything in Dust before. So why does it matter that there are "slayer logis"? I like a guy who can give me reps and then drop the rep tool to pop some melons with me near the frontline.

Not trying to be smart, but do you understand my point now?

Alright, fair enough, I probably came on a little strong there.

But the problem with this is game balance -- you shouldn't be able to perform those roles equally, not by way of suit stats, at any rate. Being powerful in one area should result in being deficient in another. You shouldn't be able to rez, rep, and resupply, and also murder everything that moves, and be able to tank your suit, otherwise there's no point in playing other roles, or even having them. By that same token, we may as well just remove all the medium suits except one, and let people fit it any way they want.

And if you like logis who are not afraid of the front lines, and know how to both rep and pop a cap in someone's ass, hit me up sometime, I'll roll with you :)

The following changes to the Logistics role have been proposed as part of Hotfix Charlie.



I would like to know the Logistic Community's thoughts on these proposed changes.

Most of us would likely agree with the WP for Injectors. Looking forward to seeing better quality needles on the field

The speed reduction is not something I personally support. The logistics role has changed a lot since "Scout 514" and reducing our speed will make it even harder for us to keep up with and support our squad/team. I would not like to see that any slower.

Increasing the equipment slots for Caldari and Amarr also makes sense now that scouts have two slots- it seems a bit odd that a logi and scout should have the same number of slots in the first place. Also the Cal never really got any special prize (like the side arm) for losing that extra slot. Looking forward to seeing some more Caldari Logi's if this change comes through.

Disappointed that the uplink bonus on the Amarr suit is still not fixed. Rather than playing around with the side-arm of the Amarr Logi - I would have liked to see this addressed first.

Overall, its super exciting that our role is getting some attention

ccp is ruining dust again...i was really hoping the string of proper fixes..was going to continue and then they go and decide to nerf the only class that isnt out of place.
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ive had this logi since day one.and this is a deliberate attempt to ruin some of the only good aspects of dust.

these fixes they make no sense
they are not needed
ccp is fuckin up again

The following changes to the Logistics role have been proposed as part of Hotfix Charlie.



I would like to know the Logistic Community's thoughts on these proposed changes.

Most of us would likely agree with the WP for Injectors. Looking forward to seeing better quality needles on the field

The speed reduction is not something I personally support. The logistics role has changed a lot since "Scout 514" and reducing our speed will make it even harder for us to keep up with and support our squad/team. I would not like to see that any slower.

Increasing the equipment slots for Caldari and Amarr also makes sense now that scouts have two slots- it seems a bit odd that a logi and scout should have the same number of slots in the first place. Also the Cal never really got any special prize (like the side arm) for losing that extra slot. Looking forward to seeing some more Caldari Logi's if this change comes through.

Disappointed that the uplink bonus on the Amarr suit is still not fixed. Rather than playing around with the side-arm of the Amarr Logi - I would have liked to see this addressed first.

Overall, its super exciting that our role is getting some attention

Why would you remove the defining feature of the amarr logi?