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DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:42:00 - [1] - Quote Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 934	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:48:00 - [2] - Quote I was having tons of fun countering tankers in domination. I think I managed to destroy around 6 in one match (and nevermind LAVs & drop ships). With that being said, either I was going up against scrub tankers, or the Nerf combined with a fix to swarms&forges was too much. I am a minotaur.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4274	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:49:00 - [3] - Quote tankers a pretty easy to kill now if you would give it an attempt to try. Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9618	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:51:00 - [4] - Quote Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10860	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:53:00 - [5] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:56:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1890	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:57:00 - [7] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. Where'd you get those games? Today was rather boring when I tanked for the first time in weeks. Only a few tanks at most to pop. It felt like a ghost town in comparison to 1.7/1.8 with all those militia tanks about. Edit: I was even in matches where there were more ADS than tanks... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:00:00 - [8] - Quote Harpyja wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. Where'd you get those games? Today was rather boring when I tanked for the first time in weeks. Only a few tanks at most to pop. It felt like a ghost town in comparison to 1.7/1.8 with all those militia tanks about. Edit: I was even in matches where there were more ADS than tanks... And how many tanks did you have on your side? Maybe your team was the problem
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 934	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:02:00 - [9] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You have militia swarm launchers. You can use a militia forge gun. Or you can field a militia tank... All without SP investment. It may not be the most effective AV, but it can net you WP, deter the vehicle, and maybe even kill it. Give it a try. Its better than sitting on your butt, not even attempting to counter the now-nerfed tanks. I am a minotaur.
Michael Arck 4737	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:07:00 - [10] - Quote lol how does one know all of this? Did you do some data collecting? What's the point of this thread anyway? Are you moaning about the fact that Tanks are still around? Or you don't respect people who are pilots? I really don't get it. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*

David Mustane Commando Perkone Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:09:00 - [11] - Quote AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced.
Michael Arck 4739	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:10:00 - [12] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Actually people who think like you think ruin this game. Folks like you don't have balls. Instead of being proud that you gave your all, you rather cry and sit on the bench with your arms crossed. HTFU Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2603	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:10:00 - [13] - Quote I want to play a game where it's only infantry. I mean we could remove tanks and refund us our sp so we can go proto in something else! Sounds fun to me Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Michael Arck 4739	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:11:00 - [14] - Quote David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. LOL what are you talking about? I can whip out a cheap standard FG and still put in work. You can even skill into remotes to help out. Or try some AV nades. Two or three people concentrating on AV produces results. HTFU Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:12:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: lol how does one know all of this? Did you do some data collecting? What's the point of this thread anyway? Are you moaning about the fact that Tanks are still around? Or you don't respect people who are pilots? I really don't get it. My fault tanks are not an issue.lol Whatever it must be nice to be a tanker I guess. Easy point and shoot half the players or more on the field can do 0 damage to you. If you do get In Trouble just drive off to the redline. Yes not a problem at all. Must be nice to have the money to run them .
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1400	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:14:00 - [16] - Quote David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:15:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. LOL what are you talking about? I can whip out a cheap standard FG and still put in work. You can even skill into remotes to help out. Or try some AV nades. Two or three people concentrating on AV produces results. HTFU Obvious tanker protecting his I Win Button cause he is afraid to actually gun
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10860	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:15:00 - [18] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10860	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:17:00 - [19] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Michael Arck wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. LOL what are you talking about? I can whip out a cheap standard FG and still put in work. You can even skill into remotes to help out. Or try some AV nades. Two or three people concentrating on AV produces results. HTFU Obvious tanker protecting his I Win Button cause he is afraid to actually gun I don't even think Michael is a tanker. Also most tankers run a secondary Infantry suit, mine is the Commando and Assault, and I am reasonably good at what I do, having been infantry first and skilling into tanks a little over 9 months ago. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:18:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. Thank you its pretty obvious that I will have to go In to tanks to compete. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Thank you it is pretty obvious if I want to continue playing this game I will have to skill into tanks to survive any length of time. Not by choice but because my skill level is not competitive.

Michael Arck 4739	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:19:00 - [21] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Michael Arck wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. LOL what are you talking about? I can whip out a cheap standard FG and still put in work. You can even skill into remotes to help out. Or try some AV nades. Two or three people concentrating on AV produces results. HTFU Obvious tanker protecting his I Win Button cause he is afraid to actually gun Close minded fools, remain fools. I'm actually skilled into multiple roles to be prepared for whatever is thrown at me and the team. So I don't need a tank for the "I Win Button". Scarface told you best, all I got is my balls and my word. But obviously you're another KDR padding for me and the hungry wolves. HTFU...its really never too late to do so Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10861	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:23:00 - [22] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. Thank you its pretty obvious that I will have to go In to tanks to compete. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Thank you it is pretty obvious if I want to continue playing this game I will have to skill into tanks to survive any length of time. Not by choice but because my skill level is not competitive. Not really. Aero Yassavi, a squad mate I often play with has no HAV skills, just Assault Forgeguns. Templar 12 also has no HAV skills, but I think he flies ADS. Eirik Yassavi (not to be confused with Aero) is a Heavy and has no vehicle skills. All of them do just fine without HAV. But don't take my word on it. Guys like Arkena Wynspire, !st Lieutenant Tiberius, Lea Silencio, Viktor Hadah Jr...... I never see them in vehicles and they are widely considered some of this games best players. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:34:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. Thank you its pretty obvious that I will have to go In to tanks to compete. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Thank you it is pretty obvious if I want to continue playing this game I will have to skill into tanks to survive any length of time. Not by choice but because my skill level is not competitive.[/quote] Not really. Aero Yassavi, a squad mate I often play with has no HAV skills, just Assault Forgeguns. Templar 12 also has no HAV skills, but I think he flies ADS. Eirik Yassavi (not to be confused with Aero) is a Heavy and has no vehicle skills. All of them do just fine without HAV. But don't take my word on it. Guys like Arkena Wynspire, !st Lieutenant Tiberius, Lea Silencio, Viktor Hadah Jr...... I never see them in vehicles and they are widely considered some of this games best players.[/quote] How many skill points today though? It might have been different if I played this game for months I would much rather specialise in rifles, but it doesn't make sense , of I don't have AV first I can barely survive. Granted I could play only ambush from now on but honestly I was enjoying the open maps and the ability to get around to the other letters. The game has changed since the update and it is much more difficult for us new players against tanks. Sorry that tankers don't get that but its only because they are protecting their easy button.
Michael Arck 4739	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:37:00 - [24] - Quote Hey man, we understand that. But to remain in one mold is bad for your health, anywhere, especially in New Eden. Like Bruce Lee said, be as water. Adjust to the situation. You're not the first that had to change his game due to changes in game and you won't be the last. My style and approach to battles has changed numerous times over the two years I've played this game. In other words, you have to adapt or die. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:44:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Hey man, we understand that. But to remain in one mold is bad for your health, anywhere, especially in New Eden. Like Bruce Lee said, be as water. Adjust to the situation. You're not the first that had to change his game due to changes in game and you won't be the last. My style and approach to battles has changed numerous times over the two years I've played this game. In other words, you have to adapt or die. Your right I have to adapt to tanks being in skirm and Dom much more than they were before because of the update. I have to become a tanker or av specialist first. That to me IS the problem. I have to adapt to tankers first before I can enjoy the game as a gunner.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10867	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:48:00 - [26] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: How many skill points today though? It might have been different if I played this game for months I would much rather specialise in rifles, but it doesn't make sense , of I don't have AV first I can barely survive. Granted I could play only ambush from now on but honestly I was enjoying the open maps and the ability to get around to the other letters. The game has changed since the update and it is much more difficult for us new players against tanks. Sorry that tankers don't get that but its only because they are protecting their easy button. Fair comments to make, I used to say the same of AVers back when looking at a Tank Side ways cause it to explode. In the end, I too have issues with HAV, the way they are now rewards low SP investment with huge power gain, rather than rewarding high SP investment with fair power gains. Basically I stand by my point that you have to be ready as you develop your character to engage and destroy HAV as they emerge on the map, that however means you either need to be able to deploy your own HAV (MLT require no skills to use) or your own AV, and that in order to win you will need to use those assets. If you choose to sit back as pure infantry with rifles then expect to be helpless against Tanks. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Michael Arck 4739	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:49:00 - [27] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Hey man, we understand that. But to remain in one mold is bad for your health, anywhere, especially in New Eden. Like Bruce Lee said, be as water. Adjust to the situation. You're not the first that had to change his game due to changes in game and you won't be the last. My style and approach to battles has changed numerous times over the two years I've played this game. In other words, you have to adapt or die. Your right I have to adapt to tanks being in skirm and Dom much more than they were before because of the update. I have to become a tanker or av specialist first. That to me IS the problem. I have to adapt to tankers first before I can enjoy the game as a gunner. Yea this game is designed so that its really best that you're skilled into multiple roles. I learned that early this year and I've been playing for about two years. Trust me, it helps a great deal to have options in the dropsuit closet. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:05:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. I think it has more to do with tanks now need infantry support, which they should but have not in the recent past. As such many fair weather tankers that could simply run into a group of reds sit still and kill everyone with very little thought to positioning, tactics, or infantry support. This means tankers will now need to develop a meta again, and many of you will quit, but some of you will remain decent, and indeed get stronger. Bottom line tankers, get with your infantry, you are now vulnerable to 2 of anything, 2 swarms, 2 forges, 2 res, 1 jihad jeep, you can no longrr do it alone.
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1400	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:20:00 - [29] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Hey man, we understand that. But to remain in one mold is bad for your health, anywhere, especially in New Eden. Like Bruce Lee said, be as water. Adjust to the situation. You're not the first that had to change his game due to changes in game and you won't be the last. My style and approach to battles has changed numerous times over the two years I've played this game. In other words, you have to adapt or die. Your right I have to adapt to tanks being in skirm and Dom much more than they were before because of the update. I have to become a tanker or av specialist first. That to me IS the problem. I have to adapt to tankers first before I can enjoy the game as a gunner. Yea this game is designed so that its really best that you're skilled into multiple roles. I learned that early this year and I've been playing for about two years. Trust me, it helps a great deal to have options in the dropsuit closet. I'll qualify that in saying that you don't have to be good against everything but you need to be aware of your limits. As a Logi, to me running into a heavy on my own is no less suicide than standing in front of a tank. But I can offer my direct or indirect support to those who can deal with that so they can get rid of them. See a forge gunner not getting to focus on the enemy tank because of support infantry surpressing him? He'll probably appreciate you getting rid of those guys and kill the tank in return. Be aware of your role and act accordingly. Do not expect to be able to handle every situation and learn to realize when it's time to back up. Also, squad up! That will get you farther than any amount of skillpoints. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10867	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:23:00 - [30] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Atiim wrote: Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. I think it has more to do with tanks now need infantry support, which they should but have not in the recent past. As such many fair weather tankers that could simply run into a group of reds sit still and kill everyone with very little thought to positioning, tactics, or infantry support. This means tankers will now need to develop a meta again, and many of you will quit, but some of you will remain decent, and indeed get stronger. Bottom line tankers, get with your infantry, you are now vulnerable to 2 of anything, 2 swarms, 2 forges, 2 res, 1 jihad jeep, you can no longrr do it alone. Lets not even get started on resistances as they are far too low......as usual I am comparing them to EVE ships..... would you believe a T2 Assault Frigate named the Wolf has a 90% resistance to EM damage....without any modifications........ Amarr almost deal exclusively EM with some Thermal...... Consequently the Retribution has 87.5% Explosive Resistances. Yet my HAV can't even amount to a measly 30% even with modules. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 37	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:55:00 - [31] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think that's annoying, try shooting down LAVs with small rail turrets... I fear those more than tankers. Most blaster tankers aren't good, and most railers are red-liner/on the line cowards. The majority of tankers that I see march into hot zones are militia tankers...
JUDASisMYhomeboy III xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 67	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:15:00 - [32] - Quote Militia forge gun is a great way for a newer player to rack up some wp and help the team out. When I was fed up with tanks in beta, I skilled into forge. Plus if your aim is worth half a damn you can snipe with it when you're done blowing up tanks. I feel the op's frustration, tanks can be downright irritating but skill into forge...you won't regret it. I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9626	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:29:00 - [33] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10871	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:31:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. Well to be fair looking side ways at a tank caused it to explode pre 1.7..... now I actually long for those days instead of the garbage vehicles we have now. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 874	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:41:00 - [35] - Quote Harpyja wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. Where'd you get those games? Today was rather boring when I tanked for the first time in weeks. Only a few tanks at most to pop. It felt like a ghost town in comparison to 1.7/1.8 with all those militia tanks about. Edit: I was even in matches where there were more ADS than tanks... I have seen very few tanks. This makes me sad. Because, that's why.
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1402	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:42:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. Again, pilots haven't essentially told Infantry to go play somewhere else, now have they? This is what happened here: "** your playstyle, ** you personally. This is my sandbox now and you'll only use the toys i'm okay with." No amount of forum QQ does even compare to this level disregard for other members of the community. This is a completely new level. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 874	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:48:00 - [37] - Quote David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. I think a lot of tankers have just stopped using tanks now that it is closer to balanced. Bad tankers now have a pretty good chance of being killed and for many people using tanks the whole point was being able to kill without much to fear. There are still going to be good tankers making our life hell but that's fair. I don't think we are balanced but I want tanks out there, no more nerfs until we see how this works out. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:54:00 - [38] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Yes, this has always been the bigger issue. You simply can't balance this game with new players going against vets, running proto, in squads. It is a separate issue though. A vet running a FG has at least some chance against another vet running a tank. Swarms still need fixing, but besides that I think we are about as close as we can expect to get without driving off all the tankers. Cause lets face it, they are all a bunch of mama boys. Because, that's why.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9627	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:56:00 - [39] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Again, pilots haven't essentially told Infantry to go play somewhere else, now have they? No, but there has never been a valid reason for them to either, so your point is moot. Malkai Inos wrote: This is what happened here: "** your playstyle, you personally. This is my sandbox now and you'll only use the toys i'm okay with." It kinda reminds of when pilots demanded that it take multiple players to destroy them, regardless of ISK/SP investment, basically (and in some instances literally) saying " you" to AV players who've given up their SP and Anti-Personnel capabilities for the sole purpose of destroying them. Malkai Inos wrote:** No amount of forum QQ does even compare to this level disregard for other members of the community. This is an completely new level. Well, no. This level of disregard has also been shown in places such as The Sidearm-Only Logi Discussion. It's not new, or un-heard of. Not to mention that there were actual good reasons surrounding this one. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:57:00 - [40] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Yes, this has always been the bigger issue. You simply can't balance this game with new players going against vets, running proto, in squads. It is a separate issue though. A vet running a FG has at least some chance against another vet running a tank. Swarms still need fixing, but besides that I think we are about as close as we can expect to get without driving off all the tankers. Cause lets face it, they are all a bunch of mama boys. Yeah we are..... But hell I play EVE, I don't complain when a vet 5 years more advanced that I am kills me. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:57:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Actually people who think like you think ruin this game. Folks like you don't have balls. Instead of being proud that you gave your all, you rather cry and sit on the bench with your arms crossed. HTFU Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? Because, that's why.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10876	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:01:00 - [42] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? I actually had a several month old, 8-10 Million SP toon when I made True Adamance. I did start again after Uprising. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3629	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:07:00 - [43] - Quote I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10877	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:13:00 - [44] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. **** how did you figure out our weakness. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3630	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:16:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. **** how did you figure out our weakness. Ssshhh, I have a tanker alt with 16.23 k/d. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1402	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:23:00 - [46] - Quote Atiim wrote: No, but there has never been a valid reason for them to either, so your point is moot. Nor do I think there is a valid reason now. Bad balance is bad balance and hardly a reason to seperate the playerbase. Neither side should have a prior privilege regarding who they'd like to play with. Infantry has now been granted such privilege. Atiim wrote: It kinda reminds of when pilots demanded that it take multiple players to destroy them, regardless of ISK/SP investment, basically (and in some instances literally) saying "** you" to AV players who've given up their SP and Anti-Personnel capabilities for the sole purpose of destroying them. Making specific demands regarding balance between two playstyles, however outlandish they may be, does not equal a downright ban of one of them. Atiim wrote:** Well, no. This level of disregard has also been shown in places such as The Sidearm-Only Logi Discussion. It's not new, or un-heard of. Not to mention that there were actual good reasons surrounding this one. Cutting down the offensive capabilities of a primarily support unit doesn't compare to this situation either. Nerf proposals that are focused on limiting a certain class to its primary role and hardly compare to locking them out of certain modes. I wasn't too opposed to that one either being a logi myself btw. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2916	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:24:00 - [47] - Quote Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10878	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:25:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Indeed.....now can I please have my dot cross hairs back...... " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Michael Arck 4753	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:27:00 - [49] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? So let me get this straight, you trying to get smart with me because I told another mercenary, (mercenary of things) to toughen up and beat the odds? LOL!! Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
SLENDER M4N Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:30:00 - [50] - Quote I remember when my ass was given to me back in beta. To jump higher in any game,just press the button harder.

TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3632	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:32:00 - [51] - Quote SLENDER M4N wrote: I remember when my ass was given to me back in beta. Suryas and sagaris were fine. Seriously though, if they were implemented now then they'd only survive 1 or two extra hits. Nothing op there lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:40:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. May I suggest somewhere in the academy you let the new players know that as soon as they graduate they need AV cause after playing in there I had no idea and wasted all my so on other stuff. If I would have known more about the real situation I would have done my skills much differently. And I guess you ignore 5 enemy vehicles how? Sit back in the redline and use a sniper rifle? Seriously me and several other players were pushing every which way to get out of the redline to no avail. Jeeps, drop ships other tanks cloaked scouts. I must be playing a different game than you?
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1555	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:40:00 - [53] - Quote i was always in skirm dom so this doesnt apply to me lets keep the slaughter going guys :p
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1402	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:48:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Could you comment on the current lack of player choice between regular ambush and OMS? Would you consider this a problem? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3376	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:52:00 - [55] - Quote I just had a awful dom where our team could not even get close to the point. First it was 5 tanks and 1 python then 6 tanks. My poor old dual rep, single dmg mod soma(with a std rail of course) just stand up to'em no more. Managed to pop a couple I did, and me buddy busted the old Proto breach FG but we just couldn't make a dent in the line. Oy, it be a sad day to be on the side with only two people running AV it is. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Yeeeuuuupppp 353	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:54:00 - [56] - Quote GG Nyain San/Chan Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2928	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:56:00 - [57] - Quote I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2428	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:59:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. Unfortunately I listen to a lot of players who don't understand that this is the progression required of them. Teams have opening moves and if they are hard counters to their one fit they give up. Every match is a 3 act play with a beginning middle and end. It can end up a comedy of errors where you learn something about yourself and somehow come out on top. Or it could be a despairing tragedy with an ultimate ending of introspection and re-strategizing.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10892	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:03:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. That sound like the kind of fight I live for in Dust. Shatter their lines, rumble over their dead, and as each flaming tank hull disintegrates into its component Nanites you realise that you just altered the course of the battle. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:16:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:17:00 - [61] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. He's a Dust Dev. He haz all teh Dev Hax " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender Proficiency V. 90	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:25:00 - [62] - Quote The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10896	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:29:00 - [63] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. Started Dust as a Logi, then went Assault, then went into HAV, during the time between 1.3 and 1.8 I had more SP in Dropsuit Command than HAV Command, Picked up the Commando a couple of builds ago, now I main Commando and Assault. I'm still better in my HAV, but on foot I'm still reasonably decent with a Scrambler Rifle, only thing I can't do it fly a dropship to save my life. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:32:00 - [64] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. Started Dust as a Logi, then went Assault, then went into HAV, during the time between 1.3 and 1.8 I had more SP in Dropsuit Command than HAV Command, Picked up the Commando a couple of builds ago, now I main Commando and Assault. I'm still better in my HAV, but on foot I'm still reasonably decent with a Scrambler Rifle, only thing I can't do it fly a dropship to save my life. First world problems
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10896	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:35:00 - [65] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. Started Dust as a Logi, then went Assault, then went into HAV, during the time between 1.3 and 1.8 I had more SP in Dropsuit Command than HAV Command, Picked up the Commando a couple of builds ago, now I main Commando and Assault. I'm still better in my HAV, but on foot I'm still reasonably decent with a Scrambler Rifle, only thing I can't do it fly a dropship to save my life. First world problems Yeah man I can only dream of those second world problems........ " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
SLENDER M4N Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:37:00 - [66] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: SLENDER M4N wrote: I remember when my ass was given to me back in beta. Suryas and sagaris were fine. Seriously though, if they were implemented now then they'd only survive 1 or two extra hits. Nothing op there lol. Tanks to me were not a problem it was the fact that i would go 0/15,but i never quit playing because i was a noob. I never complained about anything being OP and thats how its always gonna go for me. Thats why diversity wins the game. To jump higher in any game,just press the button harder.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:44:00 - [67] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. I came into Dust with several years of CoD and about a year of BF3 under my belt. When I first played Dust in closed beta, I only ran on foot for quite some time, as I didn't know much about the game. My first experience with tanking was around the time when missiles were incredibly powerful and were nerfed straight into the ground with near complete uselessness. Then shortly before the switch to TQ I began casually tanking, and I pursued Caldari HAVs after the switch to TQ. Since then this character has been all about vehicles (Caldari vehicles). It was all about doing something different than running on foot in CoD for over three years and I enjoyed the vehicle warfare in BF3. I also have a 12 (?) million SP alt which runs Amarr assault with laser rifle. My gun game is on the constant up and down cycle, but I almost always end up with a positive KD and ISK efficiency. Just yesterday I got a personal best with most kills in one match when I went 43/4. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2946	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:46:00 - [68] - Quote Yes, I have 27M SP on my main, but my playstyle has not changed at all over time, only the amount of ISK I lose every battle . The best way to learn this game is actually to be a logi, stay in the second wave with a laser/tar, pick off stragglers and throw down useful equipment for the team. I began as a 500k SP character just like everyone else. My actual CCP Rattati dev character, I never play him actually, maybe I will go out and get killed a few times tonight. He is terrible though, only starter fits and zero isk. I will be easy prey. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:48:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yes, I have 27M SP on my main, but my playstyle has not changed at all over time, only the amount of ISK I lose every battle . The best way to learn this game is actually to be a logi, stay in the second wave with a laser/tar, pick off stragglers and throw down useful equipment for the team. I began as a 500k SP character just like everyone else. My actual CCP Rattati dev character, I never play him actually, maybe I will go out and get killed a few times tonight. He is terrible though, only starter fits and zero isk. I will be easy prey. Welcome to the new player experience!
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:52:00 - [70] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yes, I have 27M SP on my main, but my playstyle has not changed at all over time, only the amount of ISK I lose every battle . The best way to learn this game is actually to be a logi, stay in the second wave with a laser/tar, pick off stragglers and throw down useful equipment for the team. I began as a 500k SP character just like everyone else. My actual CCP Rattati dev character, I never play him actually, maybe I will go out and get killed a few times tonight. He is terrible though, only starter fits and zero isk. I will be easy prey. Use devhax for some isk. Choo Choo


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2947	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:55:00 - [71] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yes, I have 27M SP on my main, but my playstyle has not changed at all over time, only the amount of ISK I lose every battle . The best way to learn this game is actually to be a logi, stay in the second wave with a laser/tar, pick off stragglers and throw down useful equipment for the team. I began as a 500k SP character just like everyone else. My actual CCP Rattati dev character, I never play him actually, maybe I will go out and get killed a few times tonight. He is terrible though, only starter fits and zero isk. I will be easy prey. Welcome to the new player experience! due to my name.... "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:00:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yes, I have 27M SP on my main, but my playstyle has not changed at all over time, only the amount of ISK I lose every battle . The best way to learn this game is actually to be a logi, stay in the second wave with a laser/tar, pick off stragglers and throw down useful equipment for the team. I began as a 500k SP character just like everyone else. My actual CCP Rattati dev character, I never play him actually, maybe I will go out and get killed a few times tonight. He is terrible though, only starter fits and zero isk. I will be easy prey. Welcome to the new player experience! due to my name.... I will find you, and... Choo Choo
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 365	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:09:00 - [73] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. when i started, i died alot. i had some choices about what to do about it. A) i could quit. B) i could keep playing knowing that the SP would come eventually, where i could get better skills and gear. C) i could make an alt, and spec in to one role as quick as possible by not wasting sp. i chose option C
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2077	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:21:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: ... zero isk. I got isk. You got buffs. Let's trade. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2958	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:38:00 - [75] - Quote Jumped into a battle as CCP Rattati, needed to see if I remembered my CCP psn password. Squaded up with some players, got in a couple of long range kills with my mil PLC, and recognized a few, Atiim and PepelePew . All good. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:44:00 - [76] - Quote Egorf Nug Saying what's on people's minds
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3638	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:08:00 - [77] - Quote You are wrong, and foolish. Like True, I have a lot of SP invested in both HAVs and infantry. I spend most of my time avoiding the tanks on foot these days. It's not hard. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6106	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:31:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. Anecdotal indeed, here's my anecdotal evidence from Hotfix Alpha. I plan on recording another video for Hotfix Bravo but as this video indicates, don't have to worry so much about "helping cap objectives" when you control the majority of them in the first place. EDIT: Bear in mind, I went negative about 100,000 ISK while the enemy team probably made a profit due to the pricing of vehicles versus AV infantry. The fact that our entire squad was dedicated AV that match and still had extreme difficulty just because of the -amount- of tanks we were facing, accompanied by infantry, made it nigh impossible to actually turn that match around. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
castba Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 488	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:40:00 - [79] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. Again, pilots haven't essentially told Infantry to go play somewhere else, now have they? This is what happened here: "** your playstyle, ** you personally. This is my sandbox now and you'll only use the toys i'm okay with." No amount of forum QQ does even compare to this level disregard for other members of the community. This is a completely new level. Out of curiosity, how many of the ambush playing tankers do you think would play a vehicle-only mode?
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1408	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:19:00 - [80] - Quote castba wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: Again, pilots haven't essentially told Infantry to go play somewhere else, now have they? This is what happened here: "** your playstyle, ** you personally. This is my sandbox now and you'll only use the toys i'm okay with." No amount of forum QQ does even compare to this level disregard for other members of the community. This is a completely new level. Out of curiosity, how many of the ambush playing tankers do you think would play a vehicle-only mode? Of just the tankers? Probably not a huge amount seeing as their current design pretty much consists of infantry denial and killing other tanks, the former of which wouldn't be possible, the latter of which would be unsustainable for just about everyone. I know what you're getting at and you have a point. But let me just say that the same dynamics apply to AV focused roles in ambush right now. They too no longer fill any sensible purpose there because they're dependant on vehicles as targets. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2040	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:28:00 - [81] - Quote castba wrote: Out of curiosity, how many of the ambush playing tankers do you think would play a vehicle-only mode? Before the vehicle overhaul, there was a major push for a "Vehicle only" request for HAV enthusiasts, never happened though, and I doubt it ever will. It would be a pain to even enforce, given how we have to call vehicles in and don't spawn in them. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:28:00 - [82] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. I just played the funnest Ambush game I've ever played. Lots of tanks were called in, lots went boom, it went back and forth and we won with 2 clones, we were up 10 but the last couple of guys were kicking it and it was touch and go. I like OMS because I hate tanks.I played a lot of skirmish today and I would say tanks are not dominating the game anymore. They are still strong, but killable, and now more people actually try so we have a cascade effect and this is the type of dynamic you can't predict through graphs easily, it is psychological. Because, that's why.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:36:00 - [83] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. do you know whats even dumber? a team pulls out 5 tanks, and the other team doesn't pull out AV, tanks, ADS and jihad jeeps... that's the dumbest...
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:36:00 - [84] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. What is your suggestion? How can you make it both rewarding and challenging for both new players and vets? The only solution I can see is to separate them. In the meantime, pick one role and concentrate on that. You can't do it all at this point so don't try. I f you want to drop uplinks, just do that, don't try to take on the tanks, eliminate the heavies, rep and revive everyone or kill every red dot. Just pick one role and do it well, it takes discipline, then later pick another role if you want until you can do all those things. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:38:00 - [85] - Quote And yeah, anyone newish has shared your frustration and I still feel it even though I am not on the receiving end anymore. Because, that's why.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:39:00 - [86] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. this game is all about investment... if you want a quick fix then no this game isn't for you.... time and effort brings reward... and even more important, creating a social network... in new eden, without friends, you lose... just don't ever trust them with your isk
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1408	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:41:00 - [87] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: castba wrote: Out of curiosity, how many of the ambush playing tankers do you think would play a vehicle-only mode? Before the vehicle overhaul, there was a major push for a "Vehicle only" request for HAV enthusiasts, never happened though, and I doubt it ever will. It would be a pain to even enforce, given how we have to call vehicles in and don't spawn in them. Searching for vehicle only turn up this gem. CB though, and it doesn't seem to bee meant very seriously. Beyond that. I trust O'Dell (oh look, she's one of two likes in that thread) to support such a thing but that person was notorious for being pretty extreme in that regard. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
castba Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 489	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:47:00 - [88] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: castba wrote: Out of curiosity, how many of the ambush playing tankers do you think would play a vehicle-only mode? Before the vehicle overhaul, there was a major push for a "Vehicle only" request for HAV enthusiasts, never happened though, and I doubt it ever will. It would be a pain to even enforce, given how we have to call vehicles in and don't spawn in them. Easy done. MLT or STD infantry equipment/suits only. No limit on vehicle types nor amount per side. Would also make for a "gauntlet" as such for hardcore AVers.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 949	Posted - 2014.06.20 10:01:00 - [89] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. All the good tankers were already there by the way. The Amarr scout bonus is like the old Amarr sentinel bonus. No one needed 25% reduction to overheat damage on a heavy;_;
Schecter 666 71	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:29:00 - [90] - Quote I've noticed this too,gg to storm fighters for spamming 5 tanks in a skirmish last night, I guess it's too embarrassing to have no skill whatsoever and instead chicken out when there's competition on the other side!! The Struggle...is tolerating DUST for even 1 match without flushing your own foot down the toilet in a fit of rage.

Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1515	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:05:00 - [91] - Quote Atiim wrote: It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. Isn't this what av wanted? Why is it sad?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2578	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:28:00 - [92] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: tankers a pretty easy to kill now if you would give it an attempt to try. he's not exactly wrong, tankers really have few tools to fight back against infantry with, rail is the only accurate weapon they have left and it is counter balanced by it's sheer inability to do anything. tankers may as well be using shotguns that only fire a single ray.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15552	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:48:00 - [93] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. LOL what are you talking about? I can whip out a cheap standard FG and still put in work. You can even skill into remotes to help out. Or try some AV nades. Two or three people concentrating on AV produces results. HTFU This type of argument is what gives weight to separate gunner and pilot in HAvs. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5302	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:08:00 - [94] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV2RTIS5Zik&list=LL8Hm-XWE3c-61NQ0XqzbhNQ&index=2
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:11:00 - [95] - Quote looks at magrider Tanks are fine. looks at max suits and gives them a hug Heavies are fine. looks at and other games ttk There is no problem. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 370	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:26:00 - [96] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. I don't mean to be rude, but this is no way an actual solution to an actual problem. The fact that you guys keep taking tanks out of game modes, as well as stating above that infantry now has the option to "effectively ignore them", clearly demonstrates that you understand their glaring balance issues. But of course simply removing them from certain game modes doesn't solve any of these issues, it just moves them. A band-aid solution in the purest sense, I would say. So, when you say "I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game.", I'm sorry, but the only way I can read it is, "I would generally say that not actually solving problems is a positive for the game." Which is of course false. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
pegasis prime PROTO WOLVES 1765	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:32:00 - [97] - Quote Ahh iv been loving all the bush tankers coming to play with the big boys. They melt pretty quickly when a real anti tank tanker is about. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3648	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:40:00 - [98] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Ahh iv been loving all the bush tankers coming to play with the big boys. They melt pretty quickly when a real anti tank tanker is about. So finally, the skilled tankers are now bashing all those filthy mlt heroes who blagged it for the past couple of months. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 509	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:43:00 - [99] - Quote Why the hell are people whining? Skirmish and Dom are modes where people can actually make a stand against tankers, even if the blueberries are moderately potato. Tanks also can't capture point, which is kind of important in objective-based game modes. AV also got buffed and hardeners and reppers nerfed and a one-two punch AV Commando was already useful against anything short of triple repper Madrugar. I'm baffled by the negative reaction.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2281	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:54:00 - [100] - Quote I use an incubus to get vehicle dominance at stage 1. But I don't do it alone. I work with Delboy. He is an amazing missile tanker. We are on comms the whole time. If you see me and him In a game, and you are tanking be warned that I am acting as an eye in the sky. I am telling him exactly where you are. It's teamwork that makes a powerful tank killing team. If I shoot you then stop as you hardeners go on. Panic. I am getting your hardeners on so that they are used up. Just as they hit cooldown expect to see delboy come round the corner. See you in domination. You to Rattati..... If you dare. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 462	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:18:00 - [101] - Quote David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. This is untrue. I run cbr-7 swarms and exo AV grenades on an adv c1s scout with 2 enhanced damage mods and I manage to play with vehicles just fine. I'm not able to just maul any and all vehicles but I'm a significant deterrent and even manage to scrap a few. Don't be a part of the problem, be a part of the solution. Granted my main (this acct.) Has proto forge, swarm, and AV made and mines.....and I've been running AV through the past 2 years so my tactics aren't typical, but that fit I described is on an alt with literally minimal sp into AV. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:18:00 - [102] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I use an incubus to get vehicle dominance at stage 1. But I don't do it alone. I work with Delboy. He is an amazing missile tanker. We are on comms the whole time. If you see me and him In a game, and you are tanking be warned that I am acting as an eye in the sky. I am telling him exactly where you are. It's teamwork that makes a powerful tank killing team. If I shoot you then stop as you hardeners go on. Panic. I am getting your hardeners on so that they are used up. Just as they hit cooldown expect to see delboy come round the corner. See you in domination. You to Rattati..... If you dare. Absolute BS I know for a fact that you always quit against any decent AV/vehicle players Against me and spkr you quit every game and the 1 game you didnt quit you lost your DS within 1min to spkr who brought out and put a rail into the middle of the map just to kill you The only teamwork i ever see you use is when you all quit together and back out
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 462	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:31:00 - [103] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV2RTIS5Zik&list=LL8Hm-XWE3c-61NQ0XqzbhNQ&index=2 Case and point, I saw uncoordinated sloppy half assed AV attempts. A squad of good players who spent half the match not killing tanks. Your bad. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 5094	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:35:00 - [104] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. May I suggest somewhere in the academy you let the new players know that as soon as they graduate they need AV cause after playing in there I had no idea and wasted all my so on other stuff. If I would have known more about the real situation I would have done my skills much differently. And I guess you ignore 5 enemy vehicles how? Sit back in the redline and use a sniper rifle? Seriously me and several other players were pushing every which way to get out of the redline to no avail. Jeeps, drop ships other tanks cloaked scouts. I must be playing a different game than you? You're talking to a dev / community rep guy that's played about the same amount of hours as you probably, and have less idea about the game than you. I like devs that talk about the game like they actually play it often I'm sure he'll say something like "I play DUST allot"... well I can guarantee you, it's not nearly to be giving "advice"... ignore vehicles is his answer...GG. Tank on an objectives outside? Ignore...Tank on an objective inside? Ignore... Tanks everywhere but redline? Ignore... how about just telling people leave the game and find another lobby. Seems like the better solution to tank spam than staying there and contributing to people padding their KD. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1016	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:40:00 - [105] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. How do I get into those kinds of matches. More often then not, I don't have enough tanks to try my forge gun on. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5348	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:42:00 - [106] - Quote Difference is, tanks don't necessarily win the battle for you in skirmish and domination. I've had several instances where the team with a ton of HAVs lost because they didn't have a strong infantry presence to hack. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3289	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:46:00 - [107] - Quote good that they moved on and on objective game modes you actually can counter them and dont have to pray that you dont get spawned infront of them. Serves those stat padders right.
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 370	Posted - 2014.06.21 02:28:00 - [108] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Difference is, tanks don't necessarily win the battle for you in skirmish and domination. I've had several instances where the team with a ton of HAVs lost because they didn't have a strong infantry presence to hack. That's a fair point. Of course, it's still not really a solution to the problem. And regardless, a match where half of one team is sitting in tanks and doing nothing to actually help win is going to be less engaging for both sides. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
BDiD HEAVY LOGISTIC OPERATIONS 14	Posted - 2014.06.21 02:53:00 - [109] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. I'll make an alt all mlt gear and kill tanks. You just need a lil guidance. Not all high SP players are elitist.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10923	Posted - 2014.06.21 03:09:00 - [110] - Quote BDiD wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. I'll make an alt all mlt gear and kill tanks. You just need a lil guidance. Not all high SP players are elitist. Neither am I elitist, in fact I am the furthest thing from it. However complaining gets you no where, and complaining about something that every player here did at one time go through is pointless. We all know it sucks being a low SP toon against a high SP toon. I get wrecked by the 50 million SP group even now. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

Atiim NoGameNoLife 9678	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:15:00 - [111] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Jumped into a battle as CCP Rattati, needed to see if I remembered my CCP psn password. Squaded up with some players, got in a couple of long range kills with my mil PLC, and recognized a few, Atiim and PepelePew . All good. This guy saved my life when I was fighting a Maddy under the tabletop. Thanks. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Void Echo Total Extinction 2606	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:38:00 - [112] - Quote Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil.* - Void Echo
Void Echo Total Extinction 2606	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:40:00 - [113] - Quote Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil.* - Void Echo
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9678	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:47:00 - [114] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL **????? Hell no. The HAV/AV game is more balanced than it was in Chrome. I don't think I've ever had this much fun with a Swarm Launcher, and the tanks actually last more than 5 seconds this time. Void Echo wrote:** oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). Most players in your prime have quit DUST and the forums after the FanFest announcement, but I still remember you I know you were a tanker before 1.7, so yes I still consider you as one of the few real tankers. As for your opinion as a tanker, I still respect you. Whether or not I completely agree with you however, is a different story. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:48:00 - [115] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You're a closed beta scrub. Deal with it bro. Saying what's on people's minds*
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:49:00 - [116] - Quote Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I use an incubus to get vehicle dominance at stage 1. But I don't do it alone. I work with Delboy. He is an amazing missile tanker. We are on comms the whole time. If you see me and him In a game, and you are tanking be warned that I am acting as an eye in the sky. I am telling him exactly where you are. It's teamwork that makes a powerful tank killing team. If I shoot you then stop as you hardeners go on. Panic. I am getting your hardeners on so that they are used up. Just as they hit cooldown expect to see delboy come round the corner. See you in domination. You to Rattati..... If you dare. Absolute BS I know for a fact that you always quit against any decent AV/vehicle players Against me and spkr you quit every game and the 1 game you didnt quit you lost your DS within 1min to spkr who brought out and put a rail into the middle of the map just to kill you The only teamwork i ever see you use is when you all quit together and back out LOL! OH THE HUMANITY!!! Saying what's on people's minds
Void Echo Total Extinction 2606	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:52:00 - [117] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You're a closed beta scrub. Deal with it bro. calling someone from closed beta a scrub is like calling a rattle snake a bunny. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil.* - Void Echo
Void Echo Total Extinction 2606	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:55:00 - [118] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL **????? Hell no. The HAV/AV game is more balanced than it was in Chrome. I don't think I've ever had this much fun with a Swarm Launcher, and the tanks actually last more than 5 seconds this time. Void Echo wrote:** oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). Most players in your prime have quit DUST and the forums after the FanFest announcement, but I still remember you I know you were a tanker before 1.7, so yes I still consider you as one of the few real tankers. As for your opinion as a tanker, I still respect you. Whether or not I completely agree with you however, is a different story. damn... I miss the destruction a lot. I cant wait till I move to san Antonio. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
Void Echo Total Extinction 2606	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:55:00 - [119] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL **????? Hell no. The HAV/AV game is more balanced than it was in Chrome. I don't think I've ever had this much fun with a Swarm Launcher, and the tanks actually last more than 5 seconds this time. Void Echo wrote:** oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). Most players in your prime have quit DUST and the forums after the FanFest announcement, but I still remember you I know you were a tanker before 1.7, so yes I still consider you as one of the few real tankers. As for your opinion as a tanker, I still respect you. Whether or not I completely agree with you however, is a different story. damn... I miss the destruction a lot. I cant wait till I move to san Antonio. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9679	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:56:00 - [120] - Quote Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Absolute BS I know for a fact that you always quit against any decent AV/vehicle players Against me and spkr you quit every game and the 1 game you didnt quit you lost your DS within 1min to spkr who brought out and put a rail into the middle of the map just to kill you The only teamwork i ever see you use is when you all quit together and back out Spkr4TheDead is a 3rd rate, below average PUB star at best. He couldn't even handle my Swarms so please forgive me but I'm gonna have to call BS on you making anyone rage-quit. Don't wanna be that guy, but pics or it didn't happen. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND

SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:56:00 - [121] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ****????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You were hardley a real tanker. Except that you like to think you are better than you are. In PC matches you would would red line rail after being asked reapetedly to protect the letter. Then many times if the other team had better tankers you would hop out of your tank and recall it DURING a PC match! You are just a young man on comms and were very difficult to incorporate in a team environment. That's why the big corps you were in stopped fielding you.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:56:00 - [122] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You're a closed beta scrub. Deal with it bro. calling someone from closed beta a scrub is like calling a rattle snake a bunny. Well you're a damn bunny, deal with it bro! :P Saying what's on people's minds*
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9679	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:57:00 - [123] - Quote Void Echo wrote: damn... I miss the destruction a lot. I cant wait till I move to san Antonio. Yeah you did miss quite a lot. Though your double posting skills seem to be rivaling that of Ghost Kaiser. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Void Echo Total Extinction 2607	Posted - 2014.06.21 05:04:00 - [124] - Quote SHOOOOTER wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You were hardley a real tanker. Except that you like to think you are better than you are. In PC matches you would would red line rail after being asked reapetedly to protect the letter. Then many times if the other team had better tankers you would hop out of your tank and recall it DURING a PC match! You are just a young man on comms and were very difficult to incorporate in a team environment. That's why the big corps you were in stopped fielding you. as I remember, I was only in a single big corp (Internal Error) so that statement is invalid since Iv never been with any other big corps. I played in a lot of PC matches whether I was a ringer or it was for my own corp at the time. yeah, I don't remember recalling it if there were enemy tankers on the field, in fact I remember taking out almost all of them with whats his names help. I would always be positioned to protect the home letter, I was always told "Void, your rail tactics are better served as protecting the home objective and destroying enemy vehicles before they get to the battlefield". As for me being a young guy, yes I am a young guy and I take pride in that, Iv never gotten along with people who don't give me respect first. Iv done everything on my own. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil.* - Void Echo
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1093	Posted - 2014.06.21 07:03:00 - [125] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You have militia swarm launchers. You can use a militia forge gun. Or you can field a militia tank... All without SP investment. It may not be the most effective AV, but it can net you WP, deter the vehicle, and maybe even kill it. Give it a try. Its better than sitting on your butt, not even attempting to counter the now-nerfed tanks. I'm not going to bother reading the rest of this thread, I just wanting to comment on how fcking re-tarded it was that you even mentioned militia swarms The damn things are beyond useless, they do a pathetic amount of damage and only have what, 2 volleys in a clip. The only tanker to have been taken out by and much less deterred by them is fcking Spkr for christ sake. Can't say I'm all that surprised.
pegasis prime PROTO WOLVES 1767	Posted - 2014.06.21 12:41:00 - [126] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ****????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). o7 void . Your still classed as an A list respect worthy tanker in my book. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.06.21 12:55:00 - [127] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Absolute BS I know for a fact that you always quit against any decent AV/vehicle players Against me and spkr you quit every game and the 1 game you didnt quit you lost your DS within 1min to spkr who brought out and put a rail into the middle of the map just to kill you The only teamwork i ever see you use is when you all quit together and back out Spkr4TheDead is a 3rd rate, below average PUB star at best. He couldn't even handle my Swarms so please forgive me but I'm gonna have to call BS on you making anyone rage-quit. Don't wanna be that guy, but pics or it didn't happen. Hes beaten your tank to a pulp and everytime before it blows up you have to jump out with AV and you still fail i might add Only a pub star since R* stopped doing PC and died thanks to legion, PC star you mean I would take pics but Judge quits faster than i can get a camera, i think he bought a SSD so he can quit faster
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9683	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:10:00 - [128] - Quote Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Hes beaten your tank to a pulp and everytime before it blows up you have to jump out with AV and you still fail i might add Only a pub star since R* stopped doing PC and died thanks to legion, PC star you mean I would take pics but Judge quits faster than i can get a camera, i think he bought a SSD so he can quit faster Me and Spkr have never been in a TvT that doesn't involve him running to the redline, and I don't run my AV fits inside a tank as that's counter-productive. Nice attempt at rewriting history but I'd save it fro someone who doesn't know what they're talking about Considering how I've yet to hear anything about Spkr in PC other than him going 0/1 or 1/4 against decent teams, my assertion about his status still stands. Unless you have pics of him actually getting a decent score? Or perhaps your just a troll trying to slander someone who you don't agree with? I'm 99.9999999999999% sure that's the case here. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:20:00 - [129] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Hes beaten your tank to a pulp and everytime before it blows up you have to jump out with AV and you still fail i might add Only a pub star since R* stopped doing PC and died thanks to legion, PC star you mean I would take pics but Judge quits faster than i can get a camera, i think he bought a SSD so he can quit faster Me and Spkr have never been in a TvT that doesn't involve him running to the redline, and I don't run my AV fits inside a tank as that's counter-productive. Nice attempt at rewriting history but I'd save it fro someone who doesn't know what they're talking about Considering how I've yet to hear anything about Spkr in PC other than him going 0/1 or 1/4 against decent teams, my assertion about his status still stands. Unless you have pics of him actually getting a decent score? Or perhaps your just a troll trying to slander someone who you don't agree with? I'm 99.9999999999999% sure that's the case here. Pics or didnt happen line again but it doesnt matter ive seen what you do anyway in pubs at least and ive played with Spkr over a 6month+ in PC at least so i know what he does So really imma not bother, deny all you want i already know how terrible you are and what tactics you use
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 2478	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:20:00 - [130] - Quote Really, Atiim? Years, you bitched about tanks being in ambush. They were finally banned and now you want them out of skirmish, too. I really hope you stay out of Legion; I swear, console gamers are the winiest bunch of fucks I have ever played with. I guess that's what makes Dust so interesting it; it brought PC trolls and whiny console gamers together. But I digress, shut the **** up, Atiim. Nobody cares and nobody will miss you when this game shuts down and we move on to Legion where CCP can really make this game great. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!

Atiim NoGameNoLife 9683	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:27:00 - [131] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Years, you bitched about tanks being in ambush. They were finally banned and now you want them out of skirmish, too. I really hope you stay out of Legion; I swear, console gamers are the winiest bunch of fucks I have ever played with.. Umm.. What? I think you should actually read my posts. Takahashi Kashuken wrote: So really imma not bother, deny all you want i already know how terrible you are and what tactics you use You've obviously been drinking the special kool-aid. Dispite what they tell you, it doesn't actually make you smarter. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:28:00 - [132] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Dead-Eye, First...i understand your frustration. Tell you what, find me in game and I'll run AV with you and I'll see if i can show you a few quick tricks and we'll see if we can inflict some rage on vehicle operators. Second... True Adamance is elite because he deserves the moniker through skill and experience. He is most assuredly not a dumbass and one of the more respected folks in the forums. Instead of taking a cheap swipe if you asked he might have tried to give you some pointers. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10935	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:31:00 - [133] - Quote I think I am just going to own it now, I really don't care what AVer's think about me or my vehicle personally, though in terms of balance I am very interested. I will take my "I-win button" and continue to ruin your days, not because I am malicious or because I think you deserve it..... instead I'll do it because its enjoyable and entertaining for me as a player of this game. Bring your Forges, bring your Plasma Cannons (bring these most of all I am interested in seeing them in action), and bring your Jeeps. Even with all of that I will still find a way to adapt to the situation and go back to 20/0 games, being equally almost as easy to achieve on foot. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3669	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:41:00 - [134] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Dead-Eye, First...i understand your frustration. Tell you what, find me in game and I'll run AV with you and I'll see if i can show you a few quick tricks and we'll see if we can inflict some rage on vehicle operators. Second... True Adamance is elite because he deserves the moniker through skill and experience. He is most assuredly not a dumbass and one of the more respected folks in the forums. Instead of taking a cheap swipe if you asked he might have tried to give you some pointers. Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:45:00 - [135] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I think I am just going to own it now, I really don't care what AVer's think about me or my vehicle personally, though in terms of balance I am very interested. I will take my "I-win button" and continue to ruin your days, not because I am malicious or because I think you deserve it..... instead I'll do it because its enjoyable and entertaining for me as a player of this game. Bring your Forges, bring your Plasma Cannons (bring these most of all I am interested in seeing them in action), and bring your Jeeps. Even with all of that I will still find a way to adapt to the situation and go back to 20/0 games, being equally almost as easy to achieve on foot. Fair statement; at the end of the day it's more about if you're having fun how you are playing. i've been having a lot of fun vehicle hunting in a kitted out Saga LAV (proto small rail, shield hardener, scanner, propulsion) win a CalCommand (Rail / Swarm) or CalAssault (Swarm / SMG). It's better if you can have a forge gun partner but you can definitely solo with the set up. I can eat up LAVs, DS, and give ADS something to worry about. HAVs...when they have to start hunting ME is when i know i'm having an effect. I've always enjoyed hunting vehicles from the ground. Maybe we can cross cross swords again, True. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:51:00 - [136] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) Depends on the maps but Flux / AV grenade combo can be pretty effective. If you've got someone sharp enough to get REs and proxies in play you can certainly set some really spiffy anti-vehicle ambushes. I usually use AV nades to kill LAVs or finish off tanks....and the occasional overconfident ADS pilot has gotten smacked with them as well. I haven't use the PLC but a buddy that runs GalMando loves it for both AV and AI work. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1351	Posted - 2014.06.21 14:00:00 - [137] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Questionable. Don't get me wrong, I did come in late, but... I just got out of a Skirm where the enemy team had 5 tanks surrounding the only 'blue'(from my perspective) objective. I cleared out the 3 railgun tanks first then moved to the Blasters with my Python, killed tur better one of the two, but by then the enemy team noted a skyward threat and switched to AV. These damn AI characters on my team couldn't help at all. I got shot down at the end, but it was worth it. Getting in late, still got first place on my team by over a 1000 WP. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Jathniel G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 1038	Posted - 2014.06.21 14:06:00 - [138] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Lol dem marauders man... those were dem bad ol' days. lolz
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:15:00 - [139] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. May I suggest somewhere in the academy you let the new players know that as soon as they graduate they need AV cause after playing in there I had no idea and wasted all my so on other stuff. If I would have known more about the real situation I would have done my skills much differently. And I guess you ignore 5 enemy vehicles how? Sit back in the redline and use a sniper rifle? Seriously me and several other players were pushing every which way to get out of the redline to no avail. Jeeps, drop ships other tanks cloaked scouts. I must be playing a different game than you? Yes, it is a different game for experienced vets vs newer players. And yes, the Academy does not provide a very rounded education - particularly in regard to AV. However, the only secret you need to know regarding AV is 'teamwork'. Tanks aren't going to blow themselves up (although they might blow up an enemy tank, or two). Always get in a squad and have (some of) your squad switch into AV gear when the going gets tough. 3-4 clones running a combo of militia forge guns and swarms can be pretty formidable if they get their act together. (If you ever bother getting to proto levels in forge or swarms, your AV group might then only need to be two.) Last night I was running solo in a match, contrary to my own advice, with my proto swarms on a basic scout suit. (I know. Right?!) On my side, there were 5 or 6 tanks running around in a herd with NOT ONE player from the opposition pulling out a swarm or a forge or even a tank to try and counter. Surprise, we won - most boring match ever. In a separate match, I was a again running solo with proto swarms, but on a Minmando suit this time. There was only one tanker on the other team, but they were pretty good. I was never going to get too close on foot (no one was dropping uplinks), and every time I got his health down to dangerous levels, he booted away and relocated - smart play. If there was just ONE other AV player on my team in that match - militia swarms would have been enough - that tank would have died at least twice. As it was, me and my proto gear (alone) were just an inconvenience. Teamwork is it, Dude. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:18:00 - [140] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. CCP Rattati is OP. :-) Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1

bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:29:00 - [141] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. Unfortunately, 2.5 million SP is not very much in Dust514. If you focus on ONE role, depending on that role, getting to 10 million SP is what you should be aiming for before deversifying. (The Academy doesn't tell you that either.) The good news is that getting competent on a second role (after the first 10 mill) is much easier because you would have already trained most/all of your core systems. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:49:00 - [142] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. I agree with your general sentiments. However, when a tanker goes 53-0 (as I saw yesterday) and when a try-hard swarmer like me can do over 70,000 in damage and end up 1-8 (with WPs to match) it creates a distinct impression of imbalance. Not to be completely negative, I will say that many issues have gotten better recently. But there are still some damage and WP rewards balancing (for many roles) that remain. Once a broader perception of fair risk vs reward exists for more roles, I think there will be a more balanced distribution of play styles in the game. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2151	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:56:00 - [143] - Quote You know, none of this would happen with kdr/wpdr matchmaking. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 16:08:00 - [144] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. Anecdotal indeed, here's my anecdotal evidence from Hotfix Alpha. I plan on recording another video for Hotfix Bravo but as this video indicates, don't have to worry so much about "helping cap objectives" when you control the majority of them in the first place. EDIT: Bear in mind, I went negative about 100,000 ISK while the enemy team probably made a profit due to the pricing of vehicles versus AV infantry. The fact that our entire squad was dedicated AV that match and still had extreme difficulty just because of the -amount- of tanks we were facing, accompanied by infantry, made it nigh impossible to actually turn that match around. Looked like a fun match. :-) Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5352	Posted - 2014.06.21 16:26:00 - [145] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Difference is, tanks don't necessarily win the battle for you in skirmish and domination. I've had several instances where the team with a ton of HAVs lost because they didn't have a strong infantry presence to hack. That's a fair point. Of course, it's still not really a solution to the problem. And regardless, a match where half of one team is sitting in tanks and doing nothing to actually help win is going to be less engaging for both sides. This isn't call of duty, a little bit of rope-a-dope doesn't hurt. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 279	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:01:00 - [146] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Dead-Eye, First...i understand your frustration. Tell you what, find me in game and I'll run AV with you and I'll see if i can show you a few quick tricks and we'll see if we can inflict some rage on vehicle operators. Second... True Adamance is elite because he deserves the moniker through skill and experience. He is most assuredly not a dumbass and one of the more respected folks in the forums. Instead of taking a cheap swipe if you asked he might have tried to give you some pointers. Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) Great tips. Also: - stacking REs on top of Proxies makes a bigger boom - Packed AV nades are great for moving tanks, Flux nades are great for stationary ones. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
CL0AK W0LF R1D3R Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 4	Posted - 2014.06.21 18:48:00 - [147] - Quote Ccp is back to square 1 again. Av is back to being rediculously powerful and tanks can only run and hide. Difference here though is a decent fitted tank in 1.2-1.6 could actually survive. My 1.8 mill isk tank would walk through any of these crappy things you guys are calling tanks. Little metaphor to go with it. The velocaraptor was a very deadly creature but if you kill its descendant the chicken do you say you killed a beast or a bit of food? Tanks have had no complexity to the fits since 1.7. Its been a simple idiot fit consisting of passive mods that help you stay alive where as 1.6 you had to activate them yourself. 5 active mods to contend with instead of the 3 most on an armor. Reading this post i seems there is still some whiney little female dogs barking, you got your way, tanks are a fashion statement now, just like the enforcer tanks was when they got nerfed. Av has been nerfed, buffed,buffed again. Tanks from the beginning of 1.7 got nerfed, then nerfed, then nerfed again and to seal the deal they get nerfed again. For the people that poured millions of skillpoints into av felt hard done by but when someone who has over 30 into vehicles gets screwed hes a scrub tanker with no gun game. Bring back 1.6 tanks and av, put the 400m swarm range limit back and put the damage back to how it was.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1377	Posted - 2014.06.21 18:57:00 - [148] - Quote CL0AK W0LF R1D3R wrote: Av is back to being rediculously powerful and tanks can only run and hide. I think you took a wrong turn, this forum is about Dust 514.
CL0AK W0LF R1D3R Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 4	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:02:00 - [149] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CL0AK W0LF R1D3R wrote: Av is back to being rediculously powerful and tanks can only run and hide. I think you took a wrong turn, this forum is about Dust 514. haha funny guy. Seriously, a lvl 4 in forge guns and 3 in swarms with basic av nades and i can pretty much solo any tank now. A nice powerful sneeze could kill any tank
Pushing Charlie 129	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:05:00 - [150] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Ha, you're new. Fortunately, I have a lot of contacts, join the corporation Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries and they'll teach you the ropes. Knight Soiaire I am the Wizard from the moon.

Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1377	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:07:00 - [151] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. Two-thirds of the domination maps have hack points that can be directly hit by tank fire. Should infantry really have to stay far away from the objective in order to 'have a good time'?
Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 452	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:43:00 - [152] - Quote Looking for that epic tank battle.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10948	Posted - 2014.06.21 20:50:00 - [153] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Nah, he's a dumbass :) I can live with that. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 370	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:42:00 - [154] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Difference is, tanks don't necessarily win the battle for you in skirmish and domination. I've had several instances where the team with a ton of HAVs lost because they didn't have a strong infantry presence to hack. That's a fair point. Of course, it's still not really a solution to the problem. And regardless, a match where half of one team is sitting in tanks and doing nothing to actually help win is going to be less engaging for both sides. This isn't call of duty, a little bit of rope-a-dope doesn't hurt. I'm sorry, rope-a-dope? I don't play CoD, for the record. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3681	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:45:00 - [155] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) Depends on the maps but Flux / AV grenade combo can be pretty effective. If you've got someone sharp enough to get REs and proxies in play you can certainly set some really spiffy anti-vehicle ambushes. I usually use AV nades to kill LAVs or finish off tanks....and the occasional overconfident ADS pilot has gotten smacked with them as well. I haven't use the PLC but a buddy that runs GalMando loves it for both AV and AI work. This too, and in FW you can actually set REs on top of proxes to auto-detonate them. I just want to emphasise one thing - one damage source is not going to cut it. You need to be able to use something aside from swarms or REs. If you're forging that neccesitates getting close up for AV nades (hold onto them for after you break shields). CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5353	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:15:00 - [156] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Difference is, tanks don't necessarily win the battle for you in skirmish and domination. I've had several instances where the team with a ton of HAVs lost because they didn't have a strong infantry presence to hack. That's a fair point. Of course, it's still not really a solution to the problem. And regardless, a match where half of one team is sitting in tanks and doing nothing to actually help win is going to be less engaging for both sides. This isn't call of duty, a little bit of rope-a-dope doesn't hurt. I'm sorry, rope-a-dope? I don't play CoD, for the record. Basically, rope-a-dope is any tactic that plays on the impatience of the enemy. A fight that "is less engaging" often results in the defenders running off of the objective to go fight wherever the attackers are. During that time, people like me waltz in and stealth-hack. The CoD reference is because CoD players have absolutely no patience or tactical intelligence (explaining why "camping" is frowned upon) pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4331	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:35:00 - [157] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Those tanks were so OP, Now just pull out a sica and its a win I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please donate isk if you want me to pub stomp you
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4331	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:37:00 - [158] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Void Echo wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ****????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You're a closed beta scrub. Deal with it bro. calling someone from closed beta a scrub is like calling a rattle snake a bunny. Well you're a damn bunny, deal with it bro! :P This is the part where you run and hide, the vets are come I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please donate isk if you want me to pub stomp you
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4331	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:39:00 - [159] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Really, Atiim? Years, you bitched about tanks being in ambush. They were finally banned and now you want them out of skirmish, too. I really hope you stay out of Legion; I swear, console gamers are the winiest bunch of fucks I have ever played with. I guess that's what makes Dust so interesting it; it brought PC trolls and whiny console gamers together. But I digress, shut the **** up, Atiim. Nobody cares and nobody will miss you when this game shuts down and we move on to Legion where CCP can really make this game great. But I'm coming to legion if it free I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please donate isk if you want me to pub stomp you
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10958	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:40:00 - [160] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Those tanks were so OP, Now just pull out a sica and its a win You through pre 1.7 tanks were OP? " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4331	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:47:00 - [161] - Quote True Adamance wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Those tanks were so OP, Now just pull out a sica and its a win You through pre 1.7 tanks were OP? [/quote] Those were hard to kill but the sagaris was OP, I think that is the name of the tank I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please donate isk if you want me to pub stomp you
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:48:00 - [162] - Quote True Adamance wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Atiim wrote: Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. I think it has more to do with tanks now need infantry support, which they should but have not in the recent past. As such many fair weather tankers that could simply run into a group of reds sit still and kill everyone with very little thought to positioning, tactics, or infantry support. This means tankers will now need to develop a meta again, and many of you will quit, but some of you will remain decent, and indeed get stronger. Bottom line tankers, get with your infantry, you are now vulnerable to 2 of anything, 2 swarms, 2 forges, 2 res, 1 jihad jeep, you can no longrr do it alone. Lets not even get started on resistances as they are far too low......as usual I am comparing them to EVE ships..... would you believe a T2 Assault Frigate named the Wolf has a 90% resistance to EM damage....without any modifications........ Amarr almost deal exclusively EM with some Thermal...... Consequently the Retribution has 87.5% Explosive Resistances. Yet my HAV can't even amount to a measly 30% even with modules. As usual the comparison is irrelevant, the resistance must be balanced against Dust weapons, infantry, and vehicles. So what happens in Eve means d1ck. You need to get with a squad who can support you. You are no longer an army of 1. HTFU
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10959	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:58:00 - [163] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: True Adamance wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Atiim wrote: Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. I think it has more to do with tanks now need infantry support, which they should but have not in the recent past. As such many fair weather tankers that could simply run into a group of reds sit still and kill everyone with very little thought to positioning, tactics, or infantry support. This means tankers will now need to develop a meta again, and many of you will quit, but some of you will remain decent, and indeed get stronger. Bottom line tankers, get with your infantry, you are now vulnerable to 2 of anything, 2 swarms, 2 forges, 2 res, 1 jihad jeep, you can no longrr do it alone. Lets not even get started on resistances as they are far too low......as usual I am comparing them to EVE ships..... would you believe a T2 Assault Frigate named the Wolf has a 90% resistance to EM damage....without any modifications........ Amarr almost deal exclusively EM with some Thermal...... Consequently the Retribution has 87.5% Explosive Resistances. Yet my HAV can't even amount to a measly 30% even with modules. As usual the comparison is irrelevant, the resistance must be balanced against Dust weapons, infantry, and vehicles. So what happens in Eve means d1ck. You need to get with a squad who can support you. You are no longer an army of 1. HTFU What happens in EVE should in fact have some sort of effect in Dust, of course remembering that we are the newest technology of a long line of other technologies, built and constructed by the same people. Now I understand that you should need a good squad to be an effective tanker, and when I deploy I always know I have that from my corp mates, literally no other group of players in this game that I would rather have on my side than them. I'm all about the working with my squad in Dust, I rarely fit purely rep tanks, or damage modded Gunlogi, I prefer having a full turret line up, scan and nitrous modules for a fit that will work best as a mobile transport tank. However I am not saying we literally just apply a flat 90% resistance to EM weapons on Mimatar gear, that was just an example of how things play out in EVE. I was more referring to the fact that I feel a full racial line up of vehicles should move away from this idea that Damage types have efficiencies, instead I would say that I believe the dropsuits and vehicle hulls should have efficiencies applied to them. Logically Low end gear such as Medium Frames would have low resistances, they are not specifically designed to fulfil any role, but an Amarr Assault suit would logically be designed to fight a Minmatar suit resulting in higher Explosive and Kinetic resistances. Much of what we have in Dust doesn't work, I perceive that to be because it is because the systems we use are not as robust and developed enough as the systems are in EVE. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1187	Posted - 2014.06.22 14:31:00 - [164] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. Two-thirds of the domination maps have hack points that can be directly hit by tank fire. Should infantry really have to stay far away from the objective in order to 'have a good time'? Lets look at the doms and see if you are right. Manus peak - Yes Production Facility socket - No Fracture Road - No Cargo hubs - No Research Lab - No Ashland - No Two thirds comes from where? Your ass? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Beld Errmon 1695	Posted - 2014.06.22 14:33:00 - [165] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. Two-thirds of the domination maps have hack points that can be directly hit by tank fire. Should infantry really have to stay far away from the objective in order to 'have a good time'? Lets look at the doms and see if you are right. Manus peak - Yes Production Facility socket - No Fracture Road - No Cargo hubs - No Research Lab - No Ashland - No Two thirds comes from where? Your ass? amusing statement, like given. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9718	Posted - 2014.06.22 14:37:00 - [166] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Atiim wrote: It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. Isn't this what av wanted? Why is it sad? No, no it's not. Not even remotely. Director of NGNL "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1188	Posted - 2014.06.22 15:01:00 - [167] - Quote Atiim wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Atiim wrote: It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. Isn't this what av wanted? Why is it sad? No, no it's not. Not even remotely. You can't cry for months about your AV being too weak then be surprised when CCP gets all crazy with the nerf bat. As one of the chief leaders of the AV is horribly weak crowd, this is on you. Remember that. You cried, CCP listened, and the game is worse off because of it. Congrats. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3694	Posted - 2014.06.22 15:38:00 - [168] - Quote Atiim wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Atiim wrote: It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. Isn't this what av wanted? Why is it sad? No, no it's not. Not even remotely. I'm sorry, but this might not be what you wanted, but it's sure as hell what you asked for. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 34	Posted - 2014.06.22 16:01:00 - [169] - Quote David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. sir on my new alt i run derp rail tanks with 1 armor hardener, 1 enhanced 120m armor plate, 1 militia fuel injector, 1 militia scanner and i pop proto tanks left and right lol mostly cause i suplex them (ram them with fuel injector over rough terrain) they flip then i get hate mail lol hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp


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