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SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:56:00 - [121] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ****????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You were hardley a real tanker. Except that you like to think you are better than you are. In PC matches you would would red line rail after being asked reapetedly to protect the letter. Then many times if the other team had better tankers you would hop out of your tank and recall it DURING a PC match! You are just a young man on comms and were very difficult to incorporate in a team environment. That's why the big corps you were in stopped fielding you.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:56:00 - [122] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You're a closed beta scrub. Deal with it bro. calling someone from closed beta a scrub is like calling a rattle snake a bunny. Well you're a damn bunny, deal with it bro! :P Saying what's on people's minds*
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9679	Posted - 2014.06.21 04:57:00 - [123] - Quote Void Echo wrote: damn... I miss the destruction a lot. I cant wait till I move to san Antonio. Yeah you did miss quite a lot. Though your double posting skills seem to be rivaling that of Ghost Kaiser. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Void Echo Total Extinction 2607	Posted - 2014.06.21 05:04:00 - [124] - Quote SHOOOOTER wrote: Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ***????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). You were hardley a real tanker. Except that you like to think you are better than you are. In PC matches you would would red line rail after being asked reapetedly to protect the letter. Then many times if the other team had better tankers you would hop out of your tank and recall it DURING a PC match! You are just a young man on comms and were very difficult to incorporate in a team environment. That's why the big corps you were in stopped fielding you. as I remember, I was only in a single big corp (Internal Error) so that statement is invalid since Iv never been with any other big corps. I played in a lot of PC matches whether I was a ringer or it was for my own corp at the time. yeah, I don't remember recalling it if there were enemy tankers on the field, in fact I remember taking out almost all of them with whats his names help. I would always be positioned to protect the home letter, I was always told "Void, your rail tactics are better served as protecting the home objective and destroying enemy vehicles before they get to the battlefield". As for me being a young guy, yes I am a young guy and I take pride in that, Iv never gotten along with people who don't give me respect first. Iv done everything on my own. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil.* - Void Echo
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1093	Posted - 2014.06.21 07:03:00 - [125] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You have militia swarm launchers. You can use a militia forge gun. Or you can field a militia tank... All without SP investment. It may not be the most effective AV, but it can net you WP, deter the vehicle, and maybe even kill it. Give it a try. Its better than sitting on your butt, not even attempting to counter the now-nerfed tanks. I'm not going to bother reading the rest of this thread, I just wanting to comment on how fcking re-tarded it was that you even mentioned militia swarms The damn things are beyond useless, they do a pathetic amount of damage and only have what, 2 volleys in a clip. The only tanker to have been taken out by and much less deterred by them is fcking Spkr for christ sake. Can't say I'm all that surprised.
pegasis prime PROTO WOLVES 1767	Posted - 2014.06.21 12:41:00 - [126] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Wow..... over half a year of not playing this game and almost 2 months of being gone from the forums (not banned this time) and Tanks vs AV is STILL ****????? oh and also, personal question from the old guys I know in this thread. Since I was one of the hardcore tankers before uprising 1.7 hit, where do I stand when it comes to respect? am I considered one of the only real tankers? am I still remembered as one of the top best rail tankers? does anyone have a high opinion of me as a tanker? im even asking my old forum enemies an av vs tank. (yes, im talking about atiim and the others). o7 void . Your still classed as an A list respect worthy tanker in my book. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.06.21 12:55:00 - [127] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Absolute BS I know for a fact that you always quit against any decent AV/vehicle players Against me and spkr you quit every game and the 1 game you didnt quit you lost your DS within 1min to spkr who brought out and put a rail into the middle of the map just to kill you The only teamwork i ever see you use is when you all quit together and back out Spkr4TheDead is a 3rd rate, below average PUB star at best. He couldn't even handle my Swarms so please forgive me but I'm gonna have to call BS on you making anyone rage-quit. Don't wanna be that guy, but pics or it didn't happen. Hes beaten your tank to a pulp and everytime before it blows up you have to jump out with AV and you still fail i might add Only a pub star since R* stopped doing PC and died thanks to legion, PC star you mean I would take pics but Judge quits faster than i can get a camera, i think he bought a SSD so he can quit faster
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9683	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:10:00 - [128] - Quote Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Hes beaten your tank to a pulp and everytime before it blows up you have to jump out with AV and you still fail i might add Only a pub star since R* stopped doing PC and died thanks to legion, PC star you mean I would take pics but Judge quits faster than i can get a camera, i think he bought a SSD so he can quit faster Me and Spkr have never been in a TvT that doesn't involve him running to the redline, and I don't run my AV fits inside a tank as that's counter-productive. Nice attempt at rewriting history but I'd save it fro someone who doesn't know what they're talking about Considering how I've yet to hear anything about Spkr in PC other than him going 0/1 or 1/4 against decent teams, my assertion about his status still stands. Unless you have pics of him actually getting a decent score? Or perhaps your just a troll trying to slander someone who you don't agree with? I'm 99.9999999999999% sure that's the case here. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:20:00 - [129] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Hes beaten your tank to a pulp and everytime before it blows up you have to jump out with AV and you still fail i might add Only a pub star since R* stopped doing PC and died thanks to legion, PC star you mean I would take pics but Judge quits faster than i can get a camera, i think he bought a SSD so he can quit faster Me and Spkr have never been in a TvT that doesn't involve him running to the redline, and I don't run my AV fits inside a tank as that's counter-productive. Nice attempt at rewriting history but I'd save it fro someone who doesn't know what they're talking about Considering how I've yet to hear anything about Spkr in PC other than him going 0/1 or 1/4 against decent teams, my assertion about his status still stands. Unless you have pics of him actually getting a decent score? Or perhaps your just a troll trying to slander someone who you don't agree with? I'm 99.9999999999999% sure that's the case here. Pics or didnt happen line again but it doesnt matter ive seen what you do anyway in pubs at least and ive played with Spkr over a 6month+ in PC at least so i know what he does So really imma not bother, deny all you want i already know how terrible you are and what tactics you use
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 2478	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:20:00 - [130] - Quote Really, Atiim? Years, you bitched about tanks being in ambush. They were finally banned and now you want them out of skirmish, too. I really hope you stay out of Legion; I swear, console gamers are the winiest bunch of fucks I have ever played with. I guess that's what makes Dust so interesting it; it brought PC trolls and whiny console gamers together. But I digress, shut the **** up, Atiim. Nobody cares and nobody will miss you when this game shuts down and we move on to Legion where CCP can really make this game great. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!

Atiim NoGameNoLife 9683	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:27:00 - [131] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Years, you bitched about tanks being in ambush. They were finally banned and now you want them out of skirmish, too. I really hope you stay out of Legion; I swear, console gamers are the winiest bunch of fucks I have ever played with.. Umm.. What? I think you should actually read my posts. Takahashi Kashuken wrote: So really imma not bother, deny all you want i already know how terrible you are and what tactics you use You've obviously been drinking the special kool-aid. Dispite what they tell you, it doesn't actually make you smarter. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:28:00 - [132] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Dead-Eye, First...i understand your frustration. Tell you what, find me in game and I'll run AV with you and I'll see if i can show you a few quick tricks and we'll see if we can inflict some rage on vehicle operators. Second... True Adamance is elite because he deserves the moniker through skill and experience. He is most assuredly not a dumbass and one of the more respected folks in the forums. Instead of taking a cheap swipe if you asked he might have tried to give you some pointers. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10935	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:31:00 - [133] - Quote I think I am just going to own it now, I really don't care what AVer's think about me or my vehicle personally, though in terms of balance I am very interested. I will take my "I-win button" and continue to ruin your days, not because I am malicious or because I think you deserve it..... instead I'll do it because its enjoyable and entertaining for me as a player of this game. Bring your Forges, bring your Plasma Cannons (bring these most of all I am interested in seeing them in action), and bring your Jeeps. Even with all of that I will still find a way to adapt to the situation and go back to 20/0 games, being equally almost as easy to achieve on foot. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3669	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:41:00 - [134] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Dead-Eye, First...i understand your frustration. Tell you what, find me in game and I'll run AV with you and I'll see if i can show you a few quick tricks and we'll see if we can inflict some rage on vehicle operators. Second... True Adamance is elite because he deserves the moniker through skill and experience. He is most assuredly not a dumbass and one of the more respected folks in the forums. Instead of taking a cheap swipe if you asked he might have tried to give you some pointers. Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:45:00 - [135] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I think I am just going to own it now, I really don't care what AVer's think about me or my vehicle personally, though in terms of balance I am very interested. I will take my "I-win button" and continue to ruin your days, not because I am malicious or because I think you deserve it..... instead I'll do it because its enjoyable and entertaining for me as a player of this game. Bring your Forges, bring your Plasma Cannons (bring these most of all I am interested in seeing them in action), and bring your Jeeps. Even with all of that I will still find a way to adapt to the situation and go back to 20/0 games, being equally almost as easy to achieve on foot. Fair statement; at the end of the day it's more about if you're having fun how you are playing. i've been having a lot of fun vehicle hunting in a kitted out Saga LAV (proto small rail, shield hardener, scanner, propulsion) win a CalCommand (Rail / Swarm) or CalAssault (Swarm / SMG). It's better if you can have a forge gun partner but you can definitely solo with the set up. I can eat up LAVs, DS, and give ADS something to worry about. HAVs...when they have to start hunting ME is when i know i'm having an effect. I've always enjoyed hunting vehicles from the ground. Maybe we can cross cross swords again, True. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:51:00 - [136] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) Depends on the maps but Flux / AV grenade combo can be pretty effective. If you've got someone sharp enough to get REs and proxies in play you can certainly set some really spiffy anti-vehicle ambushes. I usually use AV nades to kill LAVs or finish off tanks....and the occasional overconfident ADS pilot has gotten smacked with them as well. I haven't use the PLC but a buddy that runs GalMando loves it for both AV and AI work. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1351	Posted - 2014.06.21 14:00:00 - [137] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Questionable. Don't get me wrong, I did come in late, but... I just got out of a Skirm where the enemy team had 5 tanks surrounding the only 'blue'(from my perspective) objective. I cleared out the 3 railgun tanks first then moved to the Blasters with my Python, killed tur better one of the two, but by then the enemy team noted a skyward threat and switched to AV. These damn AI characters on my team couldn't help at all. I got shot down at the end, but it was worth it. Getting in late, still got first place on my team by over a 1000 WP. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Jathniel G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 1038	Posted - 2014.06.21 14:06:00 - [138] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Lol dem marauders man... those were dem bad ol' days. lolz
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:15:00 - [139] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. May I suggest somewhere in the academy you let the new players know that as soon as they graduate they need AV cause after playing in there I had no idea and wasted all my so on other stuff. If I would have known more about the real situation I would have done my skills much differently. And I guess you ignore 5 enemy vehicles how? Sit back in the redline and use a sniper rifle? Seriously me and several other players were pushing every which way to get out of the redline to no avail. Jeeps, drop ships other tanks cloaked scouts. I must be playing a different game than you? Yes, it is a different game for experienced vets vs newer players. And yes, the Academy does not provide a very rounded education - particularly in regard to AV. However, the only secret you need to know regarding AV is 'teamwork'. Tanks aren't going to blow themselves up (although they might blow up an enemy tank, or two). Always get in a squad and have (some of) your squad switch into AV gear when the going gets tough. 3-4 clones running a combo of militia forge guns and swarms can be pretty formidable if they get their act together. (If you ever bother getting to proto levels in forge or swarms, your AV group might then only need to be two.) Last night I was running solo in a match, contrary to my own advice, with my proto swarms on a basic scout suit. (I know. Right?!) On my side, there were 5 or 6 tanks running around in a herd with NOT ONE player from the opposition pulling out a swarm or a forge or even a tank to try and counter. Surprise, we won - most boring match ever. In a separate match, I was a again running solo with proto swarms, but on a Minmando suit this time. There was only one tanker on the other team, but they were pretty good. I was never going to get too close on foot (no one was dropping uplinks), and every time I got his health down to dangerous levels, he booted away and relocated - smart play. If there was just ONE other AV player on my team in that match - militia swarms would have been enough - that tank would have died at least twice. As it was, me and my proto gear (alone) were just an inconvenience. Teamwork is it, Dude. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:18:00 - [140] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. CCP Rattati is OP. :-) Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1

bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:29:00 - [141] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. Unfortunately, 2.5 million SP is not very much in Dust514. If you focus on ONE role, depending on that role, getting to 10 million SP is what you should be aiming for before deversifying. (The Academy doesn't tell you that either.) The good news is that getting competent on a second role (after the first 10 mill) is much easier because you would have already trained most/all of your core systems. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:49:00 - [142] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. I agree with your general sentiments. However, when a tanker goes 53-0 (as I saw yesterday) and when a try-hard swarmer like me can do over 70,000 in damage and end up 1-8 (with WPs to match) it creates a distinct impression of imbalance. Not to be completely negative, I will say that many issues have gotten better recently. But there are still some damage and WP rewards balancing (for many roles) that remain. Once a broader perception of fair risk vs reward exists for more roles, I think there will be a more balanced distribution of play styles in the game. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2151	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:56:00 - [143] - Quote You know, none of this would happen with kdr/wpdr matchmaking. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 278	Posted - 2014.06.21 16:08:00 - [144] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. Anecdotal indeed, here's my anecdotal evidence from Hotfix Alpha. I plan on recording another video for Hotfix Bravo but as this video indicates, don't have to worry so much about "helping cap objectives" when you control the majority of them in the first place. EDIT: Bear in mind, I went negative about 100,000 ISK while the enemy team probably made a profit due to the pricing of vehicles versus AV infantry. The fact that our entire squad was dedicated AV that match and still had extreme difficulty just because of the -amount- of tanks we were facing, accompanied by infantry, made it nigh impossible to actually turn that match around. Looked like a fun match. :-) Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5352	Posted - 2014.06.21 16:26:00 - [145] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Difference is, tanks don't necessarily win the battle for you in skirmish and domination. I've had several instances where the team with a ton of HAVs lost because they didn't have a strong infantry presence to hack. That's a fair point. Of course, it's still not really a solution to the problem. And regardless, a match where half of one team is sitting in tanks and doing nothing to actually help win is going to be less engaging for both sides. This isn't call of duty, a little bit of rope-a-dope doesn't hurt. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 279	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:01:00 - [146] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Dead-Eye, First...i understand your frustration. Tell you what, find me in game and I'll run AV with you and I'll see if i can show you a few quick tricks and we'll see if we can inflict some rage on vehicle operators. Second... True Adamance is elite because he deserves the moniker through skill and experience. He is most assuredly not a dumbass and one of the more respected folks in the forums. Instead of taking a cheap swipe if you asked he might have tried to give you some pointers. Nah, he's a dumbass :) Decent tanker tho :) But seriously, it doesn't take a lot of SP to kill a tank. The less you have, of course, the harder it gets, but if I were to fit out a new olayer's AV setup it'd probably include Flux grenades, REs and an SL. Proxes too, if you can manage them. Tactically, if you're running a scout suit then you can place the proxes on a heavily used road and camp them with an SL; try to make the driver aware that you're AVing him; you want him to think he's better off driving over the proxes than staying to fight. If that's not possible, REs placed on the road detonated under a tank works nicely, in conjunction with some supplementary damage, as does placing them on the hull and doing the same (although the risks are rather greater of course). Before firing the swarm launcher or detonating remotes, try to flux off as many shields as you can. If you're a PLC user tactics are similar but you'll want AV nades instead of flux. Don't expect to solo tanks easily with a single damage source until you get up to the Assault Forge Guns, especially the Ishukone. Which is to say that you should try to bring a reliable friend. (Even with IAFG it helps.) Great tips. Also: - stacking REs on top of Proxies makes a bigger boom - Packed AV nades are great for moving tanks, Flux nades are great for stationary ones. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
CL0AK W0LF R1D3R Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 4	Posted - 2014.06.21 18:48:00 - [147] - Quote Ccp is back to square 1 again. Av is back to being rediculously powerful and tanks can only run and hide. Difference here though is a decent fitted tank in 1.2-1.6 could actually survive. My 1.8 mill isk tank would walk through any of these crappy things you guys are calling tanks. Little metaphor to go with it. The velocaraptor was a very deadly creature but if you kill its descendant the chicken do you say you killed a beast or a bit of food? Tanks have had no complexity to the fits since 1.7. Its been a simple idiot fit consisting of passive mods that help you stay alive where as 1.6 you had to activate them yourself. 5 active mods to contend with instead of the 3 most on an armor. Reading this post i seems there is still some whiney little female dogs barking, you got your way, tanks are a fashion statement now, just like the enforcer tanks was when they got nerfed. Av has been nerfed, buffed,buffed again. Tanks from the beginning of 1.7 got nerfed, then nerfed, then nerfed again and to seal the deal they get nerfed again. For the people that poured millions of skillpoints into av felt hard done by but when someone who has over 30 into vehicles gets screwed hes a scrub tanker with no gun game. Bring back 1.6 tanks and av, put the 400m swarm range limit back and put the damage back to how it was.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1377	Posted - 2014.06.21 18:57:00 - [148] - Quote CL0AK W0LF R1D3R wrote: Av is back to being rediculously powerful and tanks can only run and hide. I think you took a wrong turn, this forum is about Dust 514.
CL0AK W0LF R1D3R Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 4	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:02:00 - [149] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CL0AK W0LF R1D3R wrote: Av is back to being rediculously powerful and tanks can only run and hide. I think you took a wrong turn, this forum is about Dust 514. haha funny guy. Seriously, a lvl 4 in forge guns and 3 in swarms with basic av nades and i can pretty much solo any tank now. A nice powerful sneeze could kill any tank
Pushing Charlie 129	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:05:00 - [150] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Ha, you're new. Fortunately, I have a lot of contacts, join the corporation Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries and they'll teach you the ropes. Knight Soiaire I am the Wizard from the moon.



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