DUST Search - So all the i win button tankers have now moved to skirm and dom.

Nothing Certain wrote:

DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote:

Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination.

I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack.

However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb.

If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like......

Frankly I am going to say this to you.

If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose.

Yep and you are what's ruining this game
. I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol

Can we say elite dumb ass.

Yes, this has always been the bigger issue. You simply can't balance this game with new players going against vets, running proto, in squads. It is a separate issue though. A vet running a FG has at least some chance against another vet running a tank. Swarms still need fixing, but besides that I think we are about as close as we can expect to get without driving off all the tankers.

Cause lets face it, they are all a bunch of mama boys.

" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

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Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 37	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:55:00 - [31] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think that's annoying, try shooting down LAVs with small rail turrets... I fear those more than tankers. Most blaster tankers aren't good, and most railers are red-liner/on the line cowards. The majority of tankers that I see march into hot zones are militia tankers...
JUDASisMYhomeboy III xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 67	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:15:00 - [32] - Quote Militia forge gun is a great way for a newer player to rack up some wp and help the team out. When I was fed up with tanks in beta, I skilled into forge. Plus if your aim is worth half a damn you can snipe with it when you're done blowing up tanks. I feel the op's frustration, tanks can be downright irritating but skill into forge...you won't regret it. I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9626	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:29:00 - [33] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10871	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:31:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. Well to be fair looking side ways at a tank caused it to explode pre 1.7..... now I actually long for those days instead of the garbage vehicles we have now. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 874	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:41:00 - [35] - Quote Harpyja wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. Where'd you get those games? Today was rather boring when I tanked for the first time in weeks. Only a few tanks at most to pop. It felt like a ghost town in comparison to 1.7/1.8 with all those militia tanks about. Edit: I was even in matches where there were more ADS than tanks... I have seen very few tanks. This makes me sad. Because, that's why.
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1402	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:42:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. Again, pilots haven't essentially told Infantry to go play somewhere else, now have they? This is what happened here: "** your playstyle, ** you personally. This is my sandbox now and you'll only use the toys i'm okay with." No amount of forum QQ does even compare to this level disregard for other members of the community. This is a completely new level. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 874	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:48:00 - [37] - Quote David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. I think a lot of tankers have just stopped using tanks now that it is closer to balanced. Bad tankers now have a pretty good chance of being killed and for many people using tanks the whole point was being able to kill without much to fear. There are still going to be good tankers making our life hell but that's fair. I don't think we are balanced but I want tanks out there, no more nerfs until we see how this works out. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:54:00 - [38] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Yes, this has always been the bigger issue. You simply can't balance this game with new players going against vets, running proto, in squads. It is a separate issue though. A vet running a FG has at least some chance against another vet running a tank. Swarms still need fixing, but besides that I think we are about as close as we can expect to get without driving off all the tankers. Cause lets face it, they are all a bunch of mama boys. Because, that's why.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9627	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:56:00 - [39] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Again, pilots haven't essentially told Infantry to go play somewhere else, now have they? No, but there has never been a valid reason for them to either, so your point is moot. Malkai Inos wrote: This is what happened here: "** your playstyle, you personally. This is my sandbox now and you'll only use the toys i'm okay with." It kinda reminds of when pilots demanded that it take multiple players to destroy them, regardless of ISK/SP investment, basically (and in some instances literally) saying " you" to AV players who've given up their SP and Anti-Personnel capabilities for the sole purpose of destroying them. Malkai Inos wrote:** No amount of forum QQ does even compare to this level disregard for other members of the community. This is an completely new level. Well, no. This level of disregard has also been shown in places such as The Sidearm-Only Logi Discussion. It's not new, or un-heard of. Not to mention that there were actual good reasons surrounding this one. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:57:00 - [40] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Yes, this has always been the bigger issue. You simply can't balance this game with new players going against vets, running proto, in squads. It is a separate issue though. A vet running a FG has at least some chance against another vet running a tank. Swarms still need fixing, but besides that I think we are about as close as we can expect to get without driving off all the tankers. Cause lets face it, they are all a bunch of mama boys. Yeah we are..... But hell I play EVE, I don't complain when a vet 5 years more advanced that I am kills me. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:57:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Actually people who think like you think ruin this game. Folks like you don't have balls. Instead of being proud that you gave your all, you rather cry and sit on the bench with your arms crossed. HTFU Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? Because, that's why.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10876	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:01:00 - [42] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? I actually had a several month old, 8-10 Million SP toon when I made True Adamance. I did start again after Uprising. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3629	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:07:00 - [43] - Quote I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10877	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:13:00 - [44] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. **** how did you figure out our weakness. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3630	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:16:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. **** how did you figure out our weakness. Ssshhh, I have a tanker alt with 16.23 k/d. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1402	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:23:00 - [46] - Quote Atiim wrote: No, but there has never been a valid reason for them to either, so your point is moot. Nor do I think there is a valid reason now. Bad balance is bad balance and hardly a reason to seperate the playerbase. Neither side should have a prior privilege regarding who they'd like to play with. Infantry has now been granted such privilege. Atiim wrote: It kinda reminds of when pilots demanded that it take multiple players to destroy them, regardless of ISK/SP investment, basically (and in some instances literally) saying "** you" to AV players who've given up their SP and Anti-Personnel capabilities for the sole purpose of destroying them. Making specific demands regarding balance between two playstyles, however outlandish they may be, does not equal a downright ban of one of them. Atiim wrote:** Well, no. This level of disregard has also been shown in places such as The Sidearm-Only Logi Discussion. It's not new, or un-heard of. Not to mention that there were actual good reasons surrounding this one. Cutting down the offensive capabilities of a primarily support unit doesn't compare to this situation either. Nerf proposals that are focused on limiting a certain class to its primary role and hardly compare to locking them out of certain modes. I wasn't too opposed to that one either being a logi myself btw. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2916	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:24:00 - [47] - Quote Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10878	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:25:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Indeed.....now can I please have my dot cross hairs back...... " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Michael Arck 4753	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:27:00 - [49] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? So let me get this straight, you trying to get smart with me because I told another mercenary, (mercenary of things) to toughen up and beat the odds? LOL!! Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
SLENDER M4N Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:30:00 - [50] - Quote I remember when my ass was given to me back in beta. To jump higher in any game,just press the button harder.

TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3632	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:32:00 - [51] - Quote SLENDER M4N wrote: I remember when my ass was given to me back in beta. Suryas and sagaris were fine. Seriously though, if they were implemented now then they'd only survive 1 or two extra hits. Nothing op there lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:40:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. May I suggest somewhere in the academy you let the new players know that as soon as they graduate they need AV cause after playing in there I had no idea and wasted all my so on other stuff. If I would have known more about the real situation I would have done my skills much differently. And I guess you ignore 5 enemy vehicles how? Sit back in the redline and use a sniper rifle? Seriously me and several other players were pushing every which way to get out of the redline to no avail. Jeeps, drop ships other tanks cloaked scouts. I must be playing a different game than you?
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1555	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:40:00 - [53] - Quote i was always in skirm dom so this doesnt apply to me lets keep the slaughter going guys :p
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1402	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:48:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Could you comment on the current lack of player choice between regular ambush and OMS? Would you consider this a problem? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3376	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:52:00 - [55] - Quote I just had a awful dom where our team could not even get close to the point. First it was 5 tanks and 1 python then 6 tanks. My poor old dual rep, single dmg mod soma(with a std rail of course) just stand up to'em no more. Managed to pop a couple I did, and me buddy busted the old Proto breach FG but we just couldn't make a dent in the line. Oy, it be a sad day to be on the side with only two people running AV it is. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Yeeeuuuupppp 353	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:54:00 - [56] - Quote GG Nyain San/Chan Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2928	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:56:00 - [57] - Quote I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2428	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:59:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. Unfortunately I listen to a lot of players who don't understand that this is the progression required of them. Teams have opening moves and if they are hard counters to their one fit they give up. Every match is a 3 act play with a beginning middle and end. It can end up a comedy of errors where you learn something about yourself and somehow come out on top. Or it could be a despairing tragedy with an ultimate ending of introspection and re-strategizing.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10892	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:03:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. That sound like the kind of fight I live for in Dust. Shatter their lines, rumble over their dead, and as each flaming tank hull disintegrates into its component Nanites you realise that you just altered the course of the battle. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:16:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that.



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