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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10860	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:53:00 - [1] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10860	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:15:00 - [2] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10860	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:17:00 - [3] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Michael Arck wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. LOL what are you talking about? I can whip out a cheap standard FG and still put in work. You can even skill into remotes to help out. Or try some AV nades. Two or three people concentrating on AV produces results. HTFU Obvious tanker protecting his I Win Button cause he is afraid to actually gun I don't even think Michael is a tanker. Also most tankers run a secondary Infantry suit, mine is the Commando and Assault, and I am reasonably good at what I do, having been infantry first and skilling into tanks a little over 9 months ago. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10861	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:23:00 - [4] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. Thank you its pretty obvious that I will have to go In to tanks to compete. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Thank you it is pretty obvious if I want to continue playing this game I will have to skill into tanks to survive any length of time. Not by choice but because my skill level is not competitive. Not really. Aero Yassavi, a squad mate I often play with has no HAV skills, just Assault Forgeguns. Templar 12 also has no HAV skills, but I think he flies ADS. Eirik Yassavi (not to be confused with Aero) is a Heavy and has no vehicle skills. All of them do just fine without HAV. But don't take my word on it. Guys like Arkena Wynspire, !st Lieutenant Tiberius, Lea Silencio, Viktor Hadah Jr...... I never see them in vehicles and they are widely considered some of this games best players. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10867	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:48:00 - [5] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: How many skill points today though? It might have been different if I played this game for months I would much rather specialise in rifles, but it doesn't make sense , of I don't have AV first I can barely survive. Granted I could play only ambush from now on but honestly I was enjoying the open maps and the ability to get around to the other letters. The game has changed since the update and it is much more difficult for us new players against tanks. Sorry that tankers don't get that but its only because they are protecting their easy button. Fair comments to make, I used to say the same of AVers back when looking at a Tank Side ways cause it to explode. In the end, I too have issues with HAV, the way they are now rewards low SP investment with huge power gain, rather than rewarding high SP investment with fair power gains. Basically I stand by my point that you have to be ready as you develop your character to engage and destroy HAV as they emerge on the map, that however means you either need to be able to deploy your own HAV (MLT require no skills to use) or your own AV, and that in order to win you will need to use those assets. If you choose to sit back as pure infantry with rifles then expect to be helpless against Tanks. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10867	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:23:00 - [6] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Atiim wrote: Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. I think it has more to do with tanks now need infantry support, which they should but have not in the recent past. As such many fair weather tankers that could simply run into a group of reds sit still and kill everyone with very little thought to positioning, tactics, or infantry support. This means tankers will now need to develop a meta again, and many of you will quit, but some of you will remain decent, and indeed get stronger. Bottom line tankers, get with your infantry, you are now vulnerable to 2 of anything, 2 swarms, 2 forges, 2 res, 1 jihad jeep, you can no longrr do it alone. Lets not even get started on resistances as they are far too low......as usual I am comparing them to EVE ships..... would you believe a T2 Assault Frigate named the Wolf has a 90% resistance to EM damage....without any modifications........ Amarr almost deal exclusively EM with some Thermal...... Consequently the Retribution has 87.5% Explosive Resistances. Yet my HAV can't even amount to a measly 30% even with modules. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10871	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:31:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: David Mustane wrote: AV is still joke. Mlt gear does nothing to deter any AV. So until AV is balanced to match the AV output, AV just isn't an option for anyone but those in proto gear. And tankers will QQ once AV is balanced. Vehicles (save for LLAVS which are now gone) were pretty much pointless to even field from most of beta up until 1.6 and pilots never went as far as demanding their own game mode. No, I know who's taking the QQ crown. Infantry & AV QQ still has not come close to the level of Pilot QQ, and most likely never will. Good attempt at trolling though. You may actually manage to fool the people who weren't here for that era.. Well to be fair looking side ways at a tank caused it to explode pre 1.7..... now I actually long for those days instead of the garbage vehicles we have now. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10875	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:57:00 - [8] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. Yes, this has always been the bigger issue. You simply can't balance this game with new players going against vets, running proto, in squads. It is a separate issue though. A vet running a FG has at least some chance against another vet running a tank. Swarms still need fixing, but besides that I think we are about as close as we can expect to get without driving off all the tankers. Cause lets face it, they are all a bunch of mama boys. Yeah we are..... But hell I play EVE, I don't complain when a vet 5 years more advanced that I am kills me. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10876	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:01:00 - [9] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yeah, I bet you are tough enough to start a new character from scratch and show these new kids how its done. You don't need all that SP and ISK do you? I actually had a several month old, 8-10 Million SP toon when I made True Adamance. I did start again after Uprising. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10877	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:13:00 - [10] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I just ignore tanks. That about it lol. **** how did you figure out our weakness. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10878	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:25:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tanks can't be everywhere at the same time, now they have to deploy more tactically and help cap points. They can still redline camp and pad their KDR, but Infantry can safely deploy far from them and effectively ignore them while having a good time. I would generally say that this trend is positive for the game. Indeed.....now can I please have my dot cross hairs back...... " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10892	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:03:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. That sound like the kind of fight I live for in Dust. Shatter their lines, rumble over their dead, and as each flaming tank hull disintegrates into its component Nanites you realise that you just altered the course of the battle. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:17:00 - [13] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I had the exact opposite Dom experience yesterday, anecdotal of course, but still. Broke through a 4 tank line, turned the tables completely, claimed the point, lost it, won it again and held on. This is why I love this game like no other, every action I took meant something, from switching to dedicated AV in the beginning, to establishing a footholdhold with armor hives and uplinks, to breaching with my Duvolle AR and finally to stand and defend in a Sentinel. You must have a lot of SP. A logi suit with hives and uplinks A heavy sentinel suit, a duvolle I would be happy to have a heavy suit and an advanced forge, I guess in a few months I can at least do one roll you have. Seems legit unless you have millions of sp invested you can't do much in the game except die. OK I get it now. Hmm maybe this game is not for me after all. I will keep trying but if the sentiment from the dev team is get good on 2.5 million SP I just don't know what to say to that. He's a Dust Dev. He haz all teh Dev Hax " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10896	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:29:00 - [14] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. Started Dust as a Logi, then went Assault, then went into HAV, during the time between 1.3 and 1.8 I had more SP in Dropsuit Command than HAV Command, Picked up the Commando a couple of builds ago, now I main Commando and Assault. I'm still better in my HAV, but on foot I'm still reasonably decent with a Scrambler Rifle, only thing I can't do it fly a dropship to save my life. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10896	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:35:00 - [15] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: The one thing I do not understand about this community is that a good majority assume that vehicle users have either no gun play, or are simply bad at FPS games. I wonder if people ever considered the thought that some (or most) vehicle users were once mainly infantry in terms of playstyle, and decided to swtich it up a bit to keep things fresh. I also do not understand why people assume that AV is still a complete joke. I do just fine with any ADV tier forge gun, and have no real reason to pull out proto varients... I do not mean to be rude, but I wonder how much effort people actually bother to put into destroying vehicles. It's not meant to be strenuously difficult, but not especially easy either. There are still issues regarding swarm launchers and dropship resistances, which are unintended, but surely isn't the end of the world and needlessly needs to be complained about. I'm a scout, sentinel, commando, part time logi, and Incubus pilot. I tend to favor well and usually place in the top 6, usually amongst other squad members and close friends, who also endeavor in both vehicles and infantry, and are exceptional in both departments. Started Dust as a Logi, then went Assault, then went into HAV, during the time between 1.3 and 1.8 I had more SP in Dropsuit Command than HAV Command, Picked up the Commando a couple of builds ago, now I main Commando and Assault. I'm still better in my HAV, but on foot I'm still reasonably decent with a Scrambler Rifle, only thing I can't do it fly a dropship to save my life. First world problems Yeah man I can only dream of those second world problems........ " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10923	Posted - 2014.06.21 03:09:00 - [16] - Quote BDiD wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. I'll make an alt all mlt gear and kill tanks. You just need a lil guidance. Not all high SP players are elitist. Neither am I elitist, in fact I am the furthest thing from it. However complaining gets you no where, and complaining about something that every player here did at one time go through is pointless. We all know it sucks being a low SP toon against a high SP toon. I get wrecked by the 50 million SP group even now. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10935	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:31:00 - [17] - Quote I think I am just going to own it now, I really don't care what AVer's think about me or my vehicle personally, though in terms of balance I am very interested. I will take my "I-win button" and continue to ruin your days, not because I am malicious or because I think you deserve it..... instead I'll do it because its enjoyable and entertaining for me as a player of this game. Bring your Forges, bring your Plasma Cannons (bring these most of all I am interested in seeing them in action), and bring your Jeeps. Even with all of that I will still find a way to adapt to the situation and go back to 20/0 games, being equally almost as easy to achieve on foot. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10948	Posted - 2014.06.21 20:50:00 - [18] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Nah, he's a dumbass :) I can live with that. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10958	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:40:00 - [19] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: True Adamance wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Tankers have now moved from ambush to skirm and domination. I guess there is more open space to mount a counter attack. However 5 tanks on one side in a match is still dumb. If you think tanking is I-Win button now you .... welp..... ugh this community who can't accept they just got beaten by something they personally don't like...... Frankly I am going to say this to you. If you don't want to lose mount your own armoured attack. If the enemy is willing to commit X amount of assets to a fight then you need to be, or have a strategy to defeat them.... if not then you deserve to lose. Yep and you are what's ruining this game . I have 2.5 mil SP and no av yet. I guess I should just quit then according to you I should be able to kill tanks. Lol Can we say elite dumb ass. You are assuming that I did not go through the same things you are now when I started....except back then I had to deal with Closed Beta vets running High SP Marauder Tanks....... you think the current Tanks are powerful? Those monsters were so scary CCP removed them from the game. What I am saying is that you and your team should be willing to invest in your own HAV, and you can. MLT HAV currently invalidate a good 60% of my SP and I have about 20 Million in HAV in HAV. You can counter any highly invested Tanker with minimal effort now. I can help you learn to destroy enemy HAV if you would like, teach you how to Tank yourself if you want. Those tanks were so OP, Now just pull out a sica and its a win You through pre 1.7 tanks were OP? " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10959	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:58:00 - [20] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: True Adamance wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Atiim wrote: Meh. Tankers are scrubs and rather easy to kill when "Smart Deploy" doesn't spawn you directly in-front of their blaster. I guess that just goes to show how skilled people really are when they don't have 80% resistance or god-mode Armor Repairers to carry them. It's rather sad actually. The only ones who even bother putting up a fight are those with 20GJ Railguns attached. I think it has more to do with tanks now need infantry support, which they should but have not in the recent past. As such many fair weather tankers that could simply run into a group of reds sit still and kill everyone with very little thought to positioning, tactics, or infantry support. This means tankers will now need to develop a meta again, and many of you will quit, but some of you will remain decent, and indeed get stronger. Bottom line tankers, get with your infantry, you are now vulnerable to 2 of anything, 2 swarms, 2 forges, 2 res, 1 jihad jeep, you can no longrr do it alone. Lets not even get started on resistances as they are far too low......as usual I am comparing them to EVE ships..... would you believe a T2 Assault Frigate named the Wolf has a 90% resistance to EM damage....without any modifications........ Amarr almost deal exclusively EM with some Thermal...... Consequently the Retribution has 87.5% Explosive Resistances. Yet my HAV can't even amount to a measly 30% even with modules. As usual the comparison is irrelevant, the resistance must be balanced against Dust weapons, infantry, and vehicles. So what happens in Eve means d1ck. You need to get with a squad who can support you. You are no longer an army of 1. HTFU What happens in EVE should in fact have some sort of effect in Dust, of course remembering that we are the newest technology of a long line of other technologies, built and constructed by the same people. Now I understand that you should need a good squad to be an effective tanker, and when I deploy I always know I have that from my corp mates, literally no other group of players in this game that I would rather have on my side than them. I'm all about the working with my squad in Dust, I rarely fit purely rep tanks, or damage modded Gunlogi, I prefer having a full turret line up, scan and nitrous modules for a fit that will work best as a mobile transport tank. However I am not saying we literally just apply a flat 90% resistance to EM weapons on Mimatar gear, that was just an example of how things play out in EVE. I was more referring to the fact that I feel a full racial line up of vehicles should move away from this idea that Damage types have efficiencies, instead I would say that I believe the dropsuits and vehicle hulls should have efficiencies applied to them. Logically Low end gear such as Medium Frames would have low resistances, they are not specifically designed to fulfil any role, but an Amarr Assault suit would logically be designed to fight a Minmatar suit resulting in higher Explosive and Kinetic resistances. Much of what we have in Dust doesn't work, I perceive that to be because it is because the systems we use are not as robust and developed enough as the systems are in EVE. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III