All Gallente rifles and variants need to have the highest DPS of their type, and the lowest range of ttype. All caldari rifles and their variants need to have the highest range and lowest DPS of their variants. The other two races should fall in the middle, as appropriate.

The reason is, the variants are a copy of another races rifle, but still with the racial flavor of the parent rifle. Thus, the breach AR should have the highest range and lowest DPS of the AR variants, but have the lowest range and highest DPS when compared to the other races breach variants (breach scrambler rifle, breach combat rifle, and regular rail rifle)

I will create a spreadsheet for this if someone can tell me how I can upload it. :/

Don't fear the TAR, still less range, and less DPS compared to SCR, and SCR is alright. Also SCR has a charge shot which the TAR does not.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

The numbers look nice on paper, but on the ground, recoil and dispersion quickly make up the deficiencies. Great DPS is wasted if you can't land more than a couple of shots at a time.

If rail rifle DPs is being lowered (which I'm fine with) then recoil needs to be lowered as well.

Honestly, the rail rifle needs to be the tactical rifle, and the scrambler needs to be breach. Caldari are about .making every shot count, and the tactical rifles are all about making every shot count. Breach is more about spraying an area. Less so than the assault versions, but in any case Caldari are better served with a tactical.

We need more data. Everything we can get from recoil, and dispersion, to rate of fire, and rate at switch dispersion increases / decreases based on length of fire.

Our job's to find out what gun works best, then tattle on each other for spamming it.
We can't do our job effectively until the guns are in our hands.

I fully intend stab and teabag each and every one of you who moans for an ScR buff. There isn't a Scout alive that gun can't insta-gib. If it doesn't work on 1500HP gallente heavies, then don't shoot it at 1500HP gallente heavies. There are other ways to kill heavies ... like asking Rattati nerf them. * hint *

Analyze all that data? Not my job, bro.
How 'bout we let Rattati do his job, bro?

Our job's to find out what gun works best, then tattle on each other for spamming it.
We can't do our job effectively until the guns are in our hands.

So I say we stop the hand-wringing, get out-of-the-way and let Rattati shake things up!
RoF and DMG are readily fine-tuned; if something gets broken, it won't stay broken for long.

PS: I fully intend stab and teabag each and every one of you who moans for an ScR buff. There isn't a Scout alive that gun can't insta-gib. If it doesn't work on 1500HP gallente heavies, then don't shoot it at 1500HP gallente heavies. There are other ways to kill heavies ... like asking Rattati nerf them. * hint *

The listed DPS corresponds to the distance in CM on the bottom.


What I would like:

DPS ranking:
SR > TAR > BAR > CR > AR > ACR > ASR> ARR > BRAR > RR

Sustained DPS (charge time, heat, & reload speed factored in):
BRAR > RR > AR > ACR > ASR > ARR > BAR > CR > TAR > SR

CR
Adding a firing delay between bursts, so there won't be a burst weapon that doesn't have a firing delay, and Increase reload speed, so it'll a lower sustained DPS as a trade-off for it's high DPS.

[Clear roles for infantry weapon types:] Tactical, Burst, Assault, Breach
Breach weapons
Has 2nd lowest magazine size, 2nd lowest recoil, lower RoF and lower DPS in return for 2nd highest damage per shot, higher accuracy & higher precision (lower dispersion), fastest reload speed, and higher sustained DPS.

Assault
Has lowest recoil, 2nd highest sustained DPS & reload speed, highest RoF and magazine size, at the cost of lowest accuracy.

Burst
Fires in a burst, 2nd highest DPS & accuracy, best precision, and 3rd highest damage per shot, at the cost of having the 2nd highest recoil, 3rd lowest magazine size, 2nd lowest reload speed and sustained DPS.

Tactical
Highest DPS, accuracy, and damage per shot, at the cost of having the highest recoil, lowest magazine size, precision (higher dispersion), reload speed (high heat cost per shot), and sustained DPS.

We also need the other racial variants of the main rifles.

high dispersion/kick low accuracy hipfire. make it tactical but make it suck if you dont aim down sites so its not a CqC rifle.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

THIS

Data says that Scramblers are either considerably worse or inhabit a radically different role on the battlefield.

why nerf the rof of scrambler rifle?

from pervious discussion rattari you said

high dispersion/kick low accuracy hipfire. make it tactical but make it suck if you dont aim down sites so its not a CqC rifle.

Just number of digits shown in the spreadsheet, 0.085 rounded up to 0.09. Sorry about that.

What is exactly fire interval?
Is it ROF?

Proposed numbers in a separate tab here:

Numbers

What is exactly fire interval?
Is it ROF?