The ratio of effective to optimal is unchanged and I am not going into that right now as they are not hardcoded numbers but damage curves (that were not changed).

Would it be possible for you to expose those damage curves, which I assume are math functions, to us at some point?

I think it would be really interesting to see how the weapons compare in terms of DPS over the range spectrum and where they intersect with each other. Having access to these functions would allow us to visualize the damage curves similar to how the tracking/missile formulars in EVE allows us to do this and that.

We've been asking for years for those curves but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon :P

Seeing as this is a range thread, check out my signature for accurate and up to date ranges.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

Just for

This might've been mentioned before, but here goes.

Since you were talking about giving Starter Fits their racial weaponry and were considering giving them the assault variant for ease of use (unless I was mistaken), is there any consideration to adding some militia/standard versions of the rifle variants?

Just considered, while running my Caldari Assault and ARR combo, that I would really love to have a Standard Assault Rail Rifle to be able to run this fit without needing a PG Upgrade and keep the fit itself cheap

is it possible to get some other variants for the other rifles now. like a breach combat, breach scramble, and a tacticale Rail?

Also, can we get militia variants of CR, Scr, and RR on our militia fits?

I don't see it at all. After Bravo we should have 2 competitive choices for any playstyle of rifles. I prefer honing them before adding more clutter.

The bridge maps, when your on top of buildings, when people are crossing from one relatively save zone/objective to another, when not in one of the main compounds, when fighting in long narrow areas, and the list goes on.

I like them being specialist weapons you need to earn.

You are fundamentally lacking in certain considerations here.

RaiL Technology is not a Caldari invention. It's actually something that was developed by the Gallente and then adopted by the Caldari to suit their purposes, both militaries utilise and modify their vessels for use of these turrets. Missiles are not unique to any one race, and ballistic weapons like auto cannons and by extension Combat Rifles are used by every standard military, and more often than not pirate factions the universe over.

In EVE vessels work more, depending on how you consider it, like this.

Any fit = 100% Efficiency with required skills

Fits making use of Ship bonuses = 110%

I can put Autocannons on a Tormentor, the ship still works to 100% of it capacity. But when I stack Pulse Lasers on it it gets bonuses and works to 100+X % of its normal capacity.

Penalising a player for not using a racial style is not the best method here, instead giving logically sound technological bonuses for using complimentary technology would benefit the development of specific playstyles.

thats a sidearm and this thread is mainly about the rifles.




if youre going to go with eve lore, youll need to increase the rail rifles optimal range to be much closer to their max effective range

reason is caldari have less dps, but its more consistent and reliable dps at all ranges.

What signature?
And actually they posted the graphs sometime ago. As they probably still use the same function you could get it from the graph

EDIT: It was not them who posted it but here is the one by Aeon Amadi
http://i.imgur.com/krRr5EZ.png