Should not be penalized; Dust 514 and eve is about freedom of fitting instead of shoehorning; true suit bonuses causes a bit of shoehorning but that's the deal when you start to specialize.

From a lore point Concord has final authority to immortal controlled armaments which basically states that there shall not be a exclusivity monopoly of tech made available to capsuleers. Period. Caldari in all of their bureaucracy and money lost massively on the last time they challenged this law trying to pass off the electronic attack frigate being dissimilar from other frigates in a case to match to how the scorpion is dissimilar as a battleship. Concord investigated and ruled the notion out declaring the EAS as a new class of ship and forced La Dai to share the tech with designated corporations in other empires.

Also no race is above using other races weapons' RP or not. Minmatar weapons are highly favored due to their low powered shipboard applications and emp proofing usually. Its quite common to find a weapons locker of such weapons in every special forces group in the galaxy.

This.

Gallente the metal monster with high cyclical rate of fire, a hip fire bonus and 64


Are you pushing for a bath and a flea dip?

It did lose 8 meters of range for that 50RPM ROF boost.

Also, all the rifles have a better hip fire.
CR, SCR and RR all have a more accurate hip fire.

A mixed 6 man Gallente squad will be unbeatable 40 meter from an objective, a gallogi scanning and repping is potent.

Is wrong ...

Uhhh..
Then don't get within 40 meters?
Long range weapons exist for a reason.

Cut them down from there then come in to kill the left overs.

... To disagree with.

Is wrong ...

Evetard?

"Squid in a can" tactics, strategy, weapon utilization are all irrelevant in Dust.
Example: Caldari EVE doctorine would work in DUST if the fight was on a salt flat, 360-¦ unobstructed fov.

Yet you are the one who wishes to enforce that scenario . Where a Caldari is stuck with his rail rifle ......rather than picking up an MD to deal with that armor camp down the hall. You wan't him to waste a ton of SP skilling into another race suit just to use a weapon suited to the task of the problem he faces.

"Squid in a can" tactics, strategy, weapon utilization are all irrelevant in Dust.
Example: Caldari EVE doctorine would work in DUST if the fight was on a salt flat, 360-¦ fov.

You are fundamentally lacking in certain considerations here.

RaiL Technology is not a Caldari invention. It's actually something that was developed by the Gallente and then adopted by the Caldari to suit their purposes, both militaries utilise and modify their vessels for use of these turrets. Missiles are not unique to any one race, and ballistic weapons like auto cannons and by extension Combat Rifles are used by every standard military, and more often than not pirate factions the universe over.

In EVE vessels work more, depending on how you consider it, like this.

What I do understand is each suit has it's own strengths and weaknesses and our rifles where designed to balance them, I never said "racial lock" I said efficiency. Caldari need the range buffer to survive, but if a Gallente has my rifle?

So my pointing to play style, as the cause of imbalance not a symptom, is justified.

Any fit = 100% Efficiency with required skills

Fits making use of Ship bonuses = 110%

I can put Autocannons on a Tormentor, the ship still works to 100% of it capacity. But when I stack Pulse Lasers on it it gets bonuses and works to 100+X % of its normal capacity.

Penalising a player for not using a racial style is not the best method here, instead giving logically sound technological bonuses for using complimentary technology would benefit the development of specific playstyles.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

Then I am happy to be "wrong" since I disagree with this strongly .

New Eden has always been about choices ..... removing choice makes the universe blander .

So far they're looking better. Again, all Gallente rifles should be highest DPS, lowest range in comparison to the other races variants. So the breach AR should have the highest DPS, lowest range out of all racial breach rifles, while the same breach AR should have the highest range and lowest DPS of all the AR variants.

So, given a particular variant type (breach, tactical, burst, assault) The order should always be:

High DPS.......................................................................................Low DPS
Short Range..............................................................................Long Range

Gallente - - - - - - - - - -Minmatar - - - - - - - - - - Amarr - - - - - - - - - - Caldari

In this way, each race can mimic the performance of the other races, while still retaining the original races flavor.

Gallente the metal monster with high cyclical rate of fire, a hip fire bonus and 64


Are you pushing for a bath and a flea dip?

Still waiting on those optimal range figures... nerfing the range of the AR is definately not a thing I am happy about... unless the 8M loss was just to effective range in which case IDC because a Gallente shouldn't be chasing his effective range unless he wants to be brutally destroyed

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I know already about 75 meters..lol

What objectives do we have today have a +40 meter kill zone?

Most are CQB, the others are all "kill boxed" by snipers and prone to vehicular domination.

The ratio of effective to optimal is unchanged and I am not going into that right now as they are not hardcoded numbers but damage curves (that were not changed).