Maybe slightly increase bolt pistol rof, or range before damage dropoff and/or minimum damage gets upped.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

Bwahahaha, I love the "Range in CM" bit at the bottom

I definitely love the change to normalized ranges. Hell, it might even help with proto stomping.

As for tweaks, keep in mind to keep each weapon's identity. You have already seen the effect of changing identities, when you gave the Scrambler Pistol different behavior and everyone started whining.
Another thread had someone propose a higher rof for the Breach AR, for example, which would be the wrong way to go. The Breach is supposed to fire less bullets that hit harder, at slightly longer ranges, but have less of a chance of hitting targets with random spraying.
I'm also in favor of giving the Burst AR the five bullet burst back, just for the sake of diversity and to fit in line with the Gallente close-combat affinity. (More bullets = Less chance of missing during the randomness that is close combat)

By the way, will this hotfix also change the name of the Assault Rifle? Or is this planned for later?

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

Bwahahaha, I love the "Range in CM" bit at the bottom

1) I love the idea of eliminating range progression because it brings us closer to Tieracide, which may never happen in Dust 514 but it's something I think we've all generally wanted for a very long time.

2) Breach AR is good but could probably use a little bit more range (not much!) to bring it a bit closer in general feel to the Rail Rifle. I like the Tactical Assault Rifle, it looks very viable and looks like it could compete with the Scrambler Rifle in it's own range.

Just have some back-up plans in-case these changes are a bit over-powering. The Tactical Assault Rifle might be a little powerful considering that it doesn't have to worry about the Overheat.

One request - can we have the names officially changed to Plasma Rifle now?

Just for you

1. That's a very important step. I'd like to +2 this if I could. Don't trade it off when the complaints come in.

2. The numbers *look* alright. Though here are my observations:
- Why does the BAR advance from 511 to 593 DPS whereas the CR advances from 567 to 594 from ADV to PRO. Are these values correct? The relative increase seems uneven.
- What was the thought behind having the ARR being 8% more powerful than the RR itself?
- Maybe the whole Assault-tree needs to be toned down a bit. For reference the ACR, maybe the most powerful weapon in the game, is receiving a 9% buff over the current numbers. This seems unnecessary.

3. Would you mind introducing these numbers in steps? You could e.g. go half the way on the changes in hotfix bravo and deploy the rest with the following hotfixes. I'm afraid I can't say anything about these numbers until I've looked at them and if they don't feel well I could only say so after it's too late.

Small little addition I want to add is perhaps, if it's necessary, a re-evaluation of the CPU/PG costs of the Scrambler Rifle(s) so they're a bit more on par. They're quite expensive to fit and considering their lack of use, I think it'd be a healthy consideration with the TAR looking like a much more viable alternative for the cost.

EDIT: Also, is there any way to increase the zoom so that it can make better use of it's range?

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

1) This all fine in theory, but you might want to look at some other factors as well. I think there should be a progression between the tiers, if we have them at all. The minor increase in damage alone does not justify the dramatic cost increase going from std to proto level. So, eliminating range progression to make balancing easier may be a great idea, but I ask you to also look into compensating somewhat for that lack of progression in the prices of the weapons then.

2) Yes, YES, yes? Just make sure you don't overdo the TAR buff, we don't want anoter Uprising 1.0 ;)

3) YES! Though, looking at your suggested numbers, I think you are being a little conservative with that ....

Don't fear the TAR, still less range, and less DPS compared to SCR, and SCR is alright. Also SCR has a charge shot which the TAR does not.

Thanks everyone for your input over the last few weeks on this issue. At the heart of every FPS there is the Rifle and it just needs to be fair and balanced.

The current situation is that we have some underperforming weapons and a complex range progression. See here: DPS versus Range - Current

I began looking at balancing that system, and that effort got me around here: DPS versus Range - Tuned

Here are, therefore, our proposals, while our method will be primarily buffing through tweaking fire delays, ROF and damage. We will not be touching the actual maximum effective range of the weapons, as they are heavily influenced by New Eden lore/rules.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

2) Then we need to properlybuff some of the weaker variants in general, Breach AR, Burst AR and Tac AR

3) And finally make sure that there is a trade off of range versus dps, I am looking at you Rail Rifle.

And this is a birds eye view of how that might look after this balancing pass:
Range versus DPS - No Range Progression - Tuned

Go wild, keep it civil and constructive.

1) Eliminate range progression of all rifles. It's unnecessarily complex and very hard to balance dps over range with overlapping bubbles. Therefore, all Standard and Advanced weapon will have the effective range of the matching Prototype weapon.

This is how that scenario looks like, and we can all agree that it is easier on the eyes and brain: Range vs DPS - No Range Progression - Current

after eliminate range progression, does it worth to invest so much more CPU/PG to use prototype weapon as it only give you a small DPS increase?

after eliminate range progression, does it worth to invest so much more CPU/PG to use prototype weapon as it only give you a small DPS increase?