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Posted - 2014.06.09 13:39:00 -
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Apart from the TAR buff and a range boost to low-end weapons, I see little difference between the Current and Proposed visualizations.
Not much is changing. Let's roll it out as-is then finetune as needed.
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Posted - 2014.06.09 13:54:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Apart from the TAR buff and a range boost to low-end weapons, I see little difference between the Current and Proposed visualizations.
Not much is changing. Let's roll it out as-is then finetune as needed.
Current has far more circles of the same type across more horizontal space, which means that there is a range progression with the tiers, and the current also has a big imbalance: RR not sacrificing much DPS for it's range and plasma rifles not getting a lot of DPS for their short range. The proposed plan would alleviate a lot of those problems.
Wait ...
Doublechecking the math
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Posted - 2014.06.09 14:16:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Apart from the TAR buff and a range boost to low-end weapons, I see little difference between the Current and Proposed visualizations.
Not much is changing. Let's roll it out as-is then finetune as needed.
Current has far more circles of the same type across more horizontal space, which means that there is a range progression with the tiers, and the current also has a big imbalance: RR not sacrificing much DPS for it's range and plasma rifles not getting a lot of DPS for their short range. The proposed plan would alleviate a lot of those problems. Wait ... Doublechecking the math
OK ... done now. See Response to Data
You were saying?
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Posted - 2014.06.09 15:18:00 -
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An after-thought ...
I keep coming back to that 80% DPS buff for the TAR.
This massive buff can only be delivered via RoF or DMG.
If delivered via RoF, we risk a return of modded controllers.
Definitely not cool.
If delivered via DMG, you'll be looking at a headshot monster.
Maybe OK, Maybe OP.
If delivered by both, you'll be looking at modded-controller, headshot monster.
(just joking) ... kinda
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Actually not sure what the point of the breach is, I like that you substantively buffed it, but less DPS and same range as regular AR, the hipfire accuracy difference between breach and current AR isn't that noticeable, to me at least; make sure other aspects like accuracy and dispersion, etc are high enough to warrant its use. I guess the higher alpha might make it worth it? but I don't know. Just please make sure it actually has a purpose. Breach and Tactical are like the M14 Battle Rifles in comparison to the M16 assault rifles. They're basically firing full sized ammo. One is emphasis on accuracy and one for front line use.
Not to be confused with the M1014 or SPAS-15, both of which are wildly ineffective outside of 5 meters.
These are quite literally only used in combat to pick locks.
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:04:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:
We need more data. Everything we can get from recoil, and dispersion, to rate of fire, and rate at switch dispersion increases / decreases based on length of fire.
Analyze all that data? Not my job, bro.
How 'bout we let Rattati do his job, bro?
Our job's to find out what gun works best, then tattle on each other for spamming it.
We can't do our job effectively until the guns are in our hands.
So, I say we get out-of-the-way and let 'em shake things up!
RoF and DMG are readily fine-tuned; if something gets broken, it won't stay broken for long.
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:47:00 -
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New Numbers (The Buffs, ranked)
- Tactical Assault Rifles (All) +27% to RoF, +15% DMG, +7% Range
- Burst Assault Rifles (Adv) +17% to RoF, +15% DMG
- Burst Assault Rifles (Pro) +6% to RoF, +18% DMG
- Breach Assault Rifles (All) +7% to RoF, +13% DMG
- Assault Rifles (All) +6% to RoF
New Numbers (The Nerfs, ranked)
Note: Lower-tier ranges buffed to fit prototype range profile.
Note: Prototype (normalized) effective range profiles reduced as follows:
- Assault Rifles -10% Range
- Assault Combat Rifles -6% Range
- Assault Rail Rifles -5% Range
- Breach Assault Rifles -5% Range
- Assault Scrambler Rifle -2% Range
- Rail Rifle -2% Range
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:56:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:
No. This is where there is miscommunication starts. He has shown effective ranges not optimals. And he is using base optimal damage so it isn't as straightforward as you show. We don't know what they are doing with optimals.
"Not knowing what they're doing with optimals" is not an excuse to ignore the data we've been provided. My calculations are responsive to the data provided, and are offered in followup to my earlier calculations.
There is no miscommunication, intended or otherwise.
I'll underline "effective" in my post above. Just for you. Kisses.
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:39:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:
Sorry, my point is more that they've been the ones not acknowledging anything about optimals yet.
Roger that, and thanks for the clarification. o7
It stands to reason that if effective ranges are normalized, optimal ranges will follow.
Can't imagine why they wouldn't.
Logibro / Rattati?
PS: The proposed changes look good.
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Posted - 2014.06.10 23:26:00 -
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Is this still the Fine Rifle thread?
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