Alright, small update. I had a number wrong somewhere that made it seem like less damage. Chew on this instead

Base 75% efficiency for swarms meaning:

60% against shields
90% against armour

75% against thruster shields
112.5% against thruster armour

Note that this only affects swarms when shooting all dropships.

This might not be a permanent move, as I might later decide to increase DS HP: if that happens, they'll move to standard 80/120 levels.

Bring other suits

And your swarms are lockon, and the only safe place for a dropship is outside, but infantry can go outside without dying, yet a dropship can't go near any walls without a huge risk of losing 500k in 1 unskillful bump by a swarm.

Perhaps your the scrub for allowing yourself to be bumped into the wall? Also, no. Success with the Swarm Launcher requires proper situational awareness, timing, coordination, and positioning, as well as resource management. If you lack any of these things, you will get the crap beaten out of you by any -competent- vehicle pilot.

MCC Missiles are avoidable by being careful of how high/low your flying, Jihad Dropships are usually MLT/STD, making them easy to avoid, and the RDV mechanic is irrelevant to the discussion.

As for Swarms chasing you to 400m, have you ever thought about taking cover behind a building? Swarm Launcher's aren't 'smart', and a nearby building can easily cause them to crash.

So then you'll be okay with bringining another ADS, such as the Incubus in Hotfix Bravo? I'll take note of that.


I've survived several "bumps" to the wall from a Swarm Launcher. Perhaps you should run try running HP modules and/or getting better at flying?

Not to mention the fact that while the Python can strike at anytime without notice, there will always be audio and visual cues to tell the pilot where the SL user is, meaning that your hypothetical situation will never happen without the pilot being aware of it, which is an issue of -gross incompetence-.

Curious observation ...

Bumped into the same Nyain San killsquad several times today in Ambush.
One of them was flying an ADS and another driving a Blaster Tank.
Having followed this thread, I was surprised to the former favoring Python over Incubus.

Nyain San is not known for running inferior gear.
Why would they opt to fly an inferior Bird?

Dropship and Assault Dropship Pilots will still have the ability to make quick work of an AVer (in a span of 2.4 seconds mind you), not to mention that they'll still have the ability to evade Swarms via cover (ie, flying behind a tower) as well as their trusty Afterburner. The Swarm Launcher adjustments won't change that.

Anyways, back to OP, dropships having innate resists means: instead of requiring 80 dmg, even a 25% resist to swarms means the ADS now requires 100 damage to drop(which is a considerable increase to Blaster falloff) shield regen, along with automatic 25% automatic faster armor repairs(imagine the 519 Reps Madrugar having AN ADDITIONAL 25% to top it) meaning Incubuses now rep at close to 200/230(compared to typical 145 or 160) and also take 25% reduced damage, so it's still unfair to any infantry AVer.

Only applies to damage from swarms. All other damage sources apply damage at normal efficiency. Forge Guns (and swarms) will actually do more armour damage after the patch when we fix their prof skill bug.

I'll be watching it closely, and if does seem too low, then I'll increase the effectiveness. A 65% increase in damage is a lot for one patch.

Go fly a python and tell me if you get over 10 kills, you're such a scrub. You know nothing but and only root for the sh*t you put SP in. I am glad swarms are getting buffed, incubus were impossible to kill with swarm, great, but you forgot that this buff throws off Python balance by like a lot. Also did I forget to mention that to fly a python and actually kill, you don't just lock on to your targets while being invisible?

A swarmer is invisible to a ADS pilot from 80 meters? Did you know swarms knock ADS's upside down?


Oh wait, what do you know, you don't fly.

Too far Logibro, way way too far. And if you want to use my hard earned ISK to see if we start "dropping for the skies", then how about, until you actually have real data you make them cost 70k, so I dont lose all my money while you see how it goes?

Only applies to damage from swarms. All other damage sources apply damage at normal efficiency. Forge Guns (and swarms) will actually do more armour damage after the patch when we fix their prof skill bug.

I'll be watching it closely, and if does seem too low, then I'll increase the effectiveness. A 65% increase in damage is a lot for one patch.

Exactly. You think we we just AB away now, Soon As i see that first shot I will run. Not fight. YOu will get less battles between swarms and dropships. Swarmers may find they get less kills and more frustrating fights.

Where are you getting 2.4 seconds? What kind of situation is this? A python sneaks up behind a swarmed and shoots him?
Let's say the swarmed and the python see each other, swarmed fires and locks the dropship which has to re adjust to get a shot by which time the swarmed has fired his second shot further knocking the dropship that now has to retreat from the engagementbefore the third shot kills him. 2.4 seconds....right...

Again flying behind a tower doesn't protect you from swarms. They make crazy 90-¦ turns following the dropships exact flight path.

Not sure what Atiim's 2.4 seconds was in reference to, but for your edification, a default swarm launcher takes 1.4 seconds to get a target lock, every time you want to fire, when a target is within range. Training proficiencies can reduce the lock time by TENTHS of seconds, so at proto level the time it takes to launch two volleys of swarms is close to 2.4 seconds.

Also, swarms might make occasional 90% turns, but they certainly do NOT follow "the dropships exact flight path". They take a more direct path to where the target is - if a target is moving and changes direction, the missiles change their line to target also. This is why we see so many missiles try to shortcut through a building when a vehicle circles the other side of said building... Or why missiles want to burrow into the ground when a vehicle travels over the crest of a hill.

Only applies to damage from swarms. All other damage sources apply damage at normal efficiency. Forge Guns (and swarms) will actually do more armour damage after the patch when we fix their prof skill bug.

I'll be watching it closely, and if does seem too low, then I'll increase the effectiveness. A 65% increase in damage is a lot for one patch.

Yay, because Forge Guns don't already make **** soup of Incubus @_@

WTB armor hardeners that aren't 100% worthless

When a swarm initially fires it goes for a straight path, after it follows for a little bit it does follow the exact path. I had cut corners so close to buildings there should have locked the swarms but they instead followed my exact path and hit me. I have seen it countless times, do a hard bank and then spin the dropship around to see the swarms follow exactly where I went, making sharp turns to hit right where I turn my dropship.

Yea they went too far on the hardeners because of reps, now they nerfed heavy reps with a giant nerfbat.
I expect a skill increase for 5% to 7% per level for armor rep skill.

When a swarm initially fires it goes for a straight path, after it follows for a little bit it does follow the exact path. I had cut corners so close to buildings there should have locked the swarms but they instead followed my exact path and hit me. I have seen it countless times, do a hard bank and then spin the dropship around to see the swarms follow exactly where I went, making sharp turns to hit right where I turn my dropship.