Guys I don't get why ppl hate on a alliance as a whole, the hate should be directed to a player not a whole alliance because you feel your getting stomped. People like myself run dren bpos and still do great so there's hope for all you blue berries

And that dren BPO (which I have) cost $99 usd to you and is unavailable anymore, so that is a bad argument. Those who couldn't get it are the ones who could use the help most, and the only ones you actually hurt most (other than the new playerbase, which never stay more than 1-2 matches against your corps). Those dren BPO's are std upgraded variants, not MLT variants. The only BPO's any for awhile could get are the Frontline fits, a far cry from what your full-BPO suit actually cost.

I'd put RND up there too.

Though from the looks of it, HvLP is going to become the next FA

You could get the BPO Templars for the same price and stats, actually, better stats.

So, how is his argument invalid, again?

So where on the marketplace can I buy these? Only ones I've seen are sold by individuals I wouldn't trust with a pile of *****, let alone any of my information/isk/aur.

Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there.

I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof.

So I have a question. Why?
Why is there a need for such hatred?

It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK.
Some trashy posters brag about this.
When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS.

And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know.

There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it?

So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS?

That's your choice. I bought mine through Tradehub, 100% trust worthy.

do a topic search on this forum "Tradehub" one word, and put in an order.

What happen to the old happy days of dust how come we cant all get along like back then in beta specially q.q its just a game actually ccp is gonna open a new region just instead of it just being moilden heat lolz

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Again, this isn't something that is done through the marketplace. This is done in the meta-game. I have no reason to trust them, and I may not be the only one. So there is no place for someone to buy a BPO from the Dust Marketplace, which is what I said. I saw CCP state they are stopping the sale of BPO's on the marketplace, I bought mine then. So as far as the average person in the game would know, that is it. No more BPO's unless you trust this outside entity. That is all the argument intended. If he runs equivalent and pays for it, then he is at the same spot as a relatively newish player.

So you are arguing with me that everything I said was correct. Then brag about how much you had by exploiting a game mechanic.

THIS is why we hate DNS.

Are yall forgetting about the eon alliance lolz

When they stomped they did it with militia/ advanced....they stomped with skill not gear....and the game still prospered while they were here.....but you guys...the games dieing

When they stomped they did it with militia/ advanced....they stomped with skill not gear....and the game still prospered while they were here.....but you guys...the games dieing

It's okay to hate what the alliance because of what it stands for.
It's okay to hate a player because of what he posts.

It is NOT okay to hate a player SIMPLY because he is in the alliance. Let's not judge the individual by the group. I know some terrible people in DNS, and I also know some of the coolest.

Really?

Does that look like Militia to you?

Most players in DNS are skilled. Most.

I asume your talking about the tanker but your being ignorant...look at the kiil feed...it was mostly ALL duvolles and Geks on BOTH SIDES...try again

I asume your talking about the tanker but your being ignorant...look at the kiil feed...it was mostly ALL duvolles and Geks on BOTH SIDES...try again

And SoTa i might have ignored the forums but i was here when they were around and its was funny going toe to toe with them in militia gear...yes they stomped me...yes i got them sometimes...yes id see i tanker here and there from them but it was still fun fighting them.....if you lose to a team using same stuff as you then you know who is better.....the only proto i saw was ARs and SMGs

A third of the game is locked out to everyone that isn't in DNS.

OH and WTF have my utmost respect for staying in PC.

It's not CCP holding PC ransom. It's DNS.

The system had a flaw (what if we decided to all be on the same side?) and DNS exploited it to the max.

The protostomping doesn't matter. The ISK gains don't matter. The arrogance and gloating don't matter.

It's that a third of the game is gone because DNS wants it that way. For ego maybe, I can't say.

What you should come away with is that the community looks down on DNS. I've spoken to DNS players that look down on it, but out of fear of being ostracized from their corps they refuse speaking against it. That sounds like absolute fun to me.

It's bad for the community, it's bad for the game, and it's bad for the mercs enforcing it.

I would hate knowing that everyone outside of my alliance disliked me because of the nefarious dealings of the leadership in my alliance.

You talk about losing friends by leaving, but you're losing the entire community. DNS is a coffin with scum carved across the top. It's not a good place to be.

A third of the game is locked out to everyone that isn't in DNS.

OH and WTF have my utmost respect for staying in PC.

It's not CCP holding PC ransom. It's DNS.

The system had a flaw (what if we decided to all be on the same side?) and DNS exploited it to the max.

The protostomping doesn't matter. The ISK gains don't matter. The arrogance and gloating don't matter.

It's that a third of the game is gone because DNS wants it that way. For ego maybe, I can't say.

What you should come away with is that the community looks down on DNS. I've spoken to DNS players that look down on it, but out of fear of being ostracized from their corps they refuse speaking against it. That sounds like absolute fun to me.

It's bad for the community, it's bad for the game, and it's bad for the mercs enforcing it.

I would hate knowing that everyone outside of my alliance disliked me because of the nefarious dealings of the leadership in my alliance.

You talk about losing friends by leaving, but you're losing the entire community. DNS is a coffin with scum carved across the top. It's not a good place to be.

Quick question:

So is no one allowed to beat everyone else and take everything? Because it will 'kill the game and community?'

That's absurd, what am I building towards if not conquest? Be a merc? I get called out on that too! "It's wrong for corps to use merc, use there own guys!" Now it's wrong for me to hold too much land!

should I stop using BPO's in pubs too because it's unfair that I'm making even more ISK on top of PC?

What will you cry about next? That my SP is carrying me?? -.-

So you think the current state of PC is good?

PC is stagnant and dead.

New players will not get to see what it could be, only DNS and their magnificent self gratification machine. No one is impressed with it .

Coordinating attacks on 2 corps super exciting? You can't even imagine how lame you sound trying to make it sound like a legitimate goal.

It's stale and it stinks. The scum rises to the top. Congrats. Now knock it off so we can get back to having fun.

I also think it's super cute that you DNS flag waving lunatics think you can get under my skin. You won't.
Not on your best day.

You guys can keep trying to justify why you're scared to stop it.

Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there.

I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof.

So I have a question. Why?
Why is there a need for such hatred?

It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK.
Some trashy posters brag about this.
When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS.

And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know.

There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it?

So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS?

It'll sort itself out. There's zero chance that DNS as it currently stands will hold up.