DUST Search - Why the hate for DNS?

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

P14GU3 wrote:

I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state.

Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm.

Quite. It's really very irritating to me as someone who would not like to be seen as such an ignorant moron to see sweeping generalisations made because of these threads.

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Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it.

Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it.

Alliances like this are politically unstable. I'm quite certain that this arrangement will decay eventually. How exactly it'll happen is uncertain - probably the main thing preventing splinter groups is that the rest of the group will just combine to crush them. A co-ordinated fragmentation is more likely, and that may well lead to real war.

Or, people will get bored. That's what happened with EoN, after all.

Unfortunately I suppose there's a great deal of hatred for the winners.

Also, while most people want to just whine about the current state of affairs there are some really fantastic groups like OH and WTF which are actively bringing the fight. I actually really appreciate those guys for having a shot at it. And hey, to an extent they're succeeding - they've taken districts back. It's a shame more people aren't trying.

There seems to be a build-up of people at 'Final Resolution'. It might just be my imagination, but I wish you luck.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12802	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:50:00 - [1] - Quote Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there. I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof. So I have a question. Why? Why is there a need for such hatred? It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK. Some trashy posters brag about this. When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS. And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know. There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it? So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Sollemnis Aelinos 0uter.Heaven Academy 155	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote i dnt hate u guys :/ Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 399	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:55:00 - [3] - Quote Well, I don't hate them. But I do hate how they brought more Proto into Pubs and how they exploited PC. To be fair, it's all CCPs fault for allowing PC be exploited in such away and not doing anything to close the trash they made. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Doctor Day EoN Minmatar 143	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:57:00 - [4] - Quote I hate how they spam tanks,and i hate how the hog **** in pc Obvious troll is Obvious TROLOLOLOLOL HEAR MY MIGHTY TROLOLOLOL
Ridire Greine 371	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:57:00 - [5] - Quote It's funny, a lot of hatred comes from those with no ties or even previous in PC, and for some reason it bothers them. I don't see how the current state of PC bothers for the most part the 'Casual' playerbase. It's not as if the huge amounts of ISK are being shared around the alliance. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire CEO. Farmer. Pubstomper. For those that can't figure it out. - Knight Soiaire
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9786	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:00:00 - [6] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there. I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof. So I have a question. Why? Why is there a need for such hatred? It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK. Some trashy posters brag about this. When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS. And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know. There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it? So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS? I didn't even need to know anything about DNS except that you were in it to hate them........ no I can't hate you Arkena...... Joker Voice "You complete me" "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 40	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:00:00 - [7] - Quote I hate DNS due to public matches, chasing away new players, PC isnt your fault but you still "choose" to abuse it so you are still partly to blame. I want this game to grow but as soon as new players are out of academy they quit. Its impossible to invite friends to this game. Not to say all of you are to blame but majority and they make the rest of you look bad. The ones that arent to blame should form a anti dns make a stand and help the new players out somehow give them isk squad up with them make them feel like your not all for a lack of better word f**ktards. In the moment when I understand my enemy, well enough to defeat him, I also love him. And then I destroy him.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 603	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:06:00 - [8] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2093051#post2093051 Could be a reason.. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2246	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:07:00 - [9] - Quote Personally I have no problem with DNS Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12804	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:10:00 - [10] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2093051#post2093051 Could be a reason.. There are literally dozens of trash threads like this posted every day. One was posted by a DNS member. You believe that they're all terrible people, and because of your confirmation bias you notice that one and take it as 'evidence' that you should hate DNS. If that thread is reason to hate an entire alliance, you should probably hate practically anyone who has ever posted on these forums and their entire alliances. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 203	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:12:00 - [11] - Quote Reason? Hmmm besides the team stacking, proto stomping, tank spamming, game exploiting, PC hogging and basic dough bags on the forum.... yeah not much at all. But then that is just a summary from what I've read personally I just can't stand tank spam in general. They should be removed from ambush and domination altogether and only be allowed in skirmish but that's just my opinion. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12804	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:14:00 - [12] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Reason? Hmmm besides the team stacking, proto stomping, tank spamming, game exploiting, PC hogging and basic dough bags on the forum.... yeah not much at all. But then that is just a summary from what I've read personally I just can't stand tank spam in general. They should be removed from ambush and domination altogether and only be allowed in skirmish but that's just my opinion. DNS is hardly the only group to protostomp. And actually, I've yet to see a team stack from DNS outside of FW, which should be fair game for that. Game exploiting? Such as? Being douchebags on the forums? How many people aren't? That's hardly a reason for DNS to stick out as the most hated group. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4088	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:15:00 - [13] - Quote On one side, its the group that is the powerhouse now. People will hate the jonses if they can't keep up with them. Funny that most who hate DNS would be the first ones to jump on the opportunity if presented to them Secondly, some of the members of the alliance says some stupid crap really. Arkena, you're one of the few who has been relatively mum about it all. Meaning, I don't see you making fancy speeches and talking about matters as if you're in the war room with the higher ups like I've been seeing others do. So no doubt, that can be a part of it too. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
BigStuarty Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 14	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:17:00 - [14] - Quote This guilt by association . DNS is hugely driven by Ancient Exiles who gouged an infamous reputation of using exploits and glitches with their FOTM weapons and suits. Dont argue, have played since beta and have witnessed several occuances. Even which your CEO has dispaired at.However against the modded controllers and exploitation by Nyain San etc I kinda understand but NOT against up and coming corps...... WHY ---SHAME SECONDLY DNS was mass hijack , , we defended our district against fingerpoping .a 4 man corp .. ok they'll bring ringers in.. we fairly spawned advance and lo Ancient Exiles AND Pradox...... maybe if Kane came to the community and COMMUNICATED there could of been dialogue and maybe sign on ..... THERES AN OLD SAYING -"IT'S NOT WHAT YOU DO, IT'S THE WAY THAT YOU DO IT" To see the gloating going on is distasteful... ie 'we own moldon heath' wtf ... inBETA days you would be kicked from corp for that ...
Ridire Greine 373	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:17:00 - [15] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Reason? Hmmm besides the team stacking, proto stomping, tank spamming, game exploiting, PC hogging and basic dough bags on the forum.... yeah not much at all. But then that is just a summary from what I've read personally I just can't stand tank spam in general. They should be removed from ambush and domination altogether and only be allowed in skirmish but that's just my opinion. Because DNS are the only ones that tank spam. The only ones that use Proto. The only ones that roll in a squad. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire CEO. Farmer. Pubstomper. For those that can't figure it out. - Knight Soiaire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12804	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:18:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: On one side, its the group that is the powerhouse now. People will hate the jonses if they can't keep up with them. Funny that most who hate DNS would be the first ones to jump on the opportunity if presented to them See, to an extent, I can understand this. But I haven't expected quite this level of vitriol. Quote: Secondly, some of the members of the alliance says some stupid crap really. Arkena, you're one of the few who has been relatively mum about it all. Meaning, I don't see you making fancy speeches and talking about matters as if you're in the war room with the higher ups like I've been seeing others do. So no doubt, that can be a part of it too. Agreed. There are stupid posters in every large group. But is that really a reason to hate the whole? Every large group has someone posting something idiotic and inflammatory - but yet DNS is bashed on disproportionally for this. It's frustrating, and I don't know why. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Emperor1349 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 108	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:18:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there. I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof. So I have a question. Why? Why is there a need for such hatred? It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK. Some trashy posters brag about this. When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS. And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know. There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it? So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS? I'm sure its because instead of "dominating" PC the corps within DNS blued up with each other to play iskfarm514. Seriously **** you guys, not the alliance or the corps within, the individual mercs, grow a pair and quit farming isk. With your m/kb hooked up with XMI so you have auto aim like a ds3 on a mouse. Get out of here with this crap you sound like Metallica crying about losing fans after they sued them. Just the opinion of a troll, I haven't played dust in weeks so my comments and invalid. Why you crying bro? If you have a poor gun game no proto suit can help you. If you have a good gun game no proto suit is needed.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3036	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:20:00 - [18] - Quote I hate everyone equally. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 376	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:21:00 - [19] - Quote I don't hate you, though some of the recent troll posts, as well as the abuse to PC are pretty meh and don't exactly help the image of the alliance. Also, just out of curiosity, are Nyain San/Chan a part of DNS? If so, I think part of your answer is there. People have hated those corps for ages, and if they became a part of the alliance, then that hate has probably simply spread itself out. A few DNS members fan the flames, and boom, full blown chaos. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Goat of Dover DROID EXILES Proficiency V. 201	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:22:00 - [20] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I hate everyone equally. That's right baby no discrimination here.

P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 605	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:26:00 - [21] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: P14GU3 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2093051#post2093051 Could be a reason.. There are literally dozens of trash threads like this posted every day. One was posted by a DNS member. You believe that they're all terrible people, and because of your confirmation bias you notice that one and take it as 'evidence' that you should hate DNS. If that thread is reason to hate an entire alliance, you should probably hate practically anyone who has ever posted on these forums and their entire alliances. I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state. Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm. Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it. Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Sollemnis Aelinos 0uter.Heaven Academy 155	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:27:00 - [22] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I don't hate you, though some of the recent troll posts, as well as the abuse to PC are pretty meh and don't exactly help the image of the alliance. Also, just out of curiosity, are Nyain San/Chan a part of DNS? If so, I think part of your answer is there. People have hated those corps for ages, and if they became a part of the alliance, then that hate has probably simply spread itself out. A few DNS members fan the flames, and boom, full blown chaos. yea they are in dns. not exactly healthy when u hv the most hated corp in the most hated alliance Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Doctor Day EoN Minmatar 144	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:28:00 - [23] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: P14GU3 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2093051#post2093051 Could be a reason.. There are literally dozens of trash threads like this posted every day. One was posted by a DNS member. You believe that they're all terrible people, and because of your confirmation bias you notice that one and take it as 'evidence' that you should hate DNS. If that thread is reason to hate an entire alliance, you should probably hate practically anyone who has ever posted on these forums and their entire alliances. I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state. Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm. Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it. Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it. why would you run a Md on a Armarr logi? Obvious troll is Obvious TROLOLOLOLOL HEAR MY MIGHTY TROLOLOLOL
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 403	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:31:00 - [24] - Quote It's New Eden ..... Someone will always be the "villain" Right now it's DNS's turn. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Stevilovitche What The French Red Whines. 31	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:32:00 - [25] - Quote Me, personally, I don't hate DNS
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 605	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:32:00 - [26] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: P14GU3 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2093051#post2093051 Could be a reason.. There are literally dozens of trash threads like this posted every day. One was posted by a DNS member. You believe that they're all terrible people, and because of your confirmation bias you notice that one and take it as 'evidence' that you should hate DNS. If that thread is reason to hate an entire alliance, you should probably hate practically anyone who has ever posted on these forums and their entire alliances. I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state. Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm. Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it. Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it. why would you run a Md on a Armarr logi? MD is an awesome logi weapon, great for supportive fire, also, sidearm. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12805	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:33:00 - [27] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state. Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm. Quite. It's really very irritating to me as someone who would not like to be seen as such an ignorant moron to see sweeping generalisations made because of these threads. Quote: Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it. Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it. Alliances like this are politically unstable. I'm quite certain that this arrangement will decay eventually. How exactly it'll happen is uncertain - probably the main thing preventing splinter groups is that the rest of the group will just combine to crush them. A co-ordinated fragmentation is more likely, and that may well lead to real war. Or, people will get bored. That's what happened with EoN, after all. Unfortunately I suppose there's a great deal of hatred for the winners. Also, while most people want to just whine about the current state of affairs there are some really fantastic groups like OH and WTF which are actively bringing the fight. I actually really appreciate those guys for having a shot at it. And hey, to an extent they're succeeding - they've taken districts back. It's a shame more people aren't trying. There seems to be a build-up of people at 'Final Resolution'. It might just be my imagination, but I wish you luck. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 335	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:36:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there. I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof. So I have a question. Why? Why is there a need for such hatred? It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK. Some trashy posters brag about this. When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS. And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know. There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it? So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS? Honestly, the trolls and **posters are the people I hate the least. At least they are openly saying they don't give a ** and that DNS is bad for Dust. Arkena, it's the posters like you that frustrate me the most. You make topics like this asking where all the hate is from, and you should be well aware of what all the hate is for. You make justifications, maybe you even admit that there is a problem, but you just stay right where you are and hoard your ISK. The fact that you are reasonable and negotiable is the reason I dislike what you are doing, because you seemingly put aside the reason and critical thinking that I know you have, I guess because it's convenient. I'm not going to post yet another huge explanation of my reasoning, because I literally just did a few hours ago right here, in the topic I assume you are making this in response to.
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 188	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:36:00 - [29] - Quote One of your diplomats telling an outsider that pub matches are called "protos" was a pretty big red flag.
Sollemnis Aelinos 0uter.Heaven Academy 156	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:38:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state. Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm. Quite. It's really very irritating to me as someone who would not like to be seen as such an ignorant moron to see sweeping generalisations made because of these threads. Quote: Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it. Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it. Alliances like this are politically unstable. I'm quite certain that this arrangement will decay eventually. How exactly it'll happen is uncertain - probably the main thing preventing splinter groups is that the rest of the group will just combine to crush them. A co-ordinated fragmentation is more likely, and that may well lead to real war. Or, people will get bored. That's what happened with EoN, after all. Unfortunately I suppose there's a great deal of hatred for the winners. Also, while most people want to just whine about the current state of affairs there are some really fantastic groups like OH and WTF which are actively bringing the fight. I actually really appreciate those guys for having a shot at it. And hey, to an extent they're succeeding - they've taken districts back. It's a shame more people aren't trying. There seems to be a build-up of people at 'Final Resolution'. It might just be my imagination, but I wish you luck. well im working my way to get into outr heaven to help out with the war effort in pc. im also good friends with the leader since we use to play armored core V together. Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul



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