Quick question:

So is no one allowed to beat everyone else and take everything? Because it will 'kill the game and community?'

A third of the game is locked out to everyone that isn't in DNS.

The game is not fucking ready to support EVE tier predatory thinking. Not technically, not community wise.

And it wont ever be ready unless you put down your ishukone hater blockers and think for a second about the consequences of your actions for the future of this game. You drive away new players by the hundreds, every single day, and when asked if you understand what the fuck you are actually doing you retort with "SUE ME!" or "YOU`RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME" and sumsuch along the lines. Like a broken record, every single one resorts to passive agressive bullshit to save face once confronted.

Shitters like you dont respect skill, and dont want a challenge, plain and simple. Thats why DNS exists.

And I will repeat it once more, just for you:
The game in its current state is not ready to support EVE mentality. It is technically incapable.
The community in its current state is not ready to support EVE mentality. It has not reached critical mass to allow it to grow or sustain its numbers.

So you think the current state of PC is good?

PC is stagnant and dead.

New players will not get to see what it could be, only DNS and their magnificent self gratification machine. No one is impressed with it .

Coordinating attacks on 2 corps super exciting? You can't even imagine how lame you sound trying to make it sound like a legitimate goal.

It's stale and it stinks. The scum rises to the top. Congrats. Now knock it off so we can get back to having fun.

I also think it's super cute that you DNS flag waving lunatics think you can get under my skin. You won't.
Not on your best day.

You guys can keep trying to justify why you're scared to stop it.

It's not locked out from anybody. All 240 districts are online and can be attacked by anyone within their respective timers

If you are incapable of finding 16 players throughout your entire Corporation and Alliance capable of beating a DNS team; you are not PC ready and you should be thanking us for your eviction.

Did you know that if you want a district you have to actually fight and win one over?

lol most of dns didn't even do that for their districts...

quit spreading the BS propaganda....we all see through it...

lol most of dns didn't even do that for their districts...

quit spreading the BS propaganda....we all see through it...

I also hear dns retorts like... "you all are peasants" and "get gud scrub"..... classy shite like that....

Pretty sure everyone has been saying those things since closed beta.

And I agree, game is not ready for EvE mentality. Change is needed, and the change that is needed is larger clone packs, easier to attack districts, and a way for numbers to matter in PC.

Make this game a REAL WAR. Not this lobby shooter crap. Mechanics that don't allow 80 players joining hands removing thousands.

Pretty sure everyone has been saying those things since closed beta.

And I agree, game is not ready for EvE mentality. Change is needed, and the change that is needed is larger clone packs, easier to attack districts, and a way for numbers to matter in PC.

Make this game a REAL WAR. Not this lobby shooter crap. Mechanics that don't allow 80 players joining hands removing thousands.

So I guess when Molon was on the map, you know, locking a good 10-maybe 15% of the map (numbers may be off, but for a while when you owned land, you had a good number of districts), that didn't make PC stagnant?

I guess when your big daddy STB paid off Eon to not attack, then paid off AE when it was in power to not attack, PC must've been fun and full of vibrant faces then.

And I guess the multiple times you called in FA while in TSO's to help deal with RA forces, that didn't kill PC either.

Geez, Molon seems to be hellbent on trying to tear down DNS rep, but in reality, they're no better, they killed PC by locking before what I call "The Locker Wars", and now that they're off the map, they're trying to play martyr and look like the victim. DNS certainly did kill PC, but Molon certainly did it long before we did.

did DNS really acomplish anything besides peace?

saying those things when its an earned victory in a balanced fight, or when someone is QQing about horrendously stupid shite...yeah ... I agree those things have been said since beta and with good reason.... but dns is full of braggarts who didn't earn the right to wield those words.

and your right change is needed, and those ideas are a start, but don't pretend to be noble in sending this message to ccp...dns did it for selfish reasons and the way they treat people outside the blue donut is proof of this.

the trash your alliance spews in the forums (not all of you, but enough of you with no clarification from dns that this isn't the general opinion you all share) is proof of this.

I was part of the beginning of DNS rise to power.... my old corp was one of its victims.... how poorly you treated us... I am proof of this.

yes its true dns built a community... but you destroyed one to do it.

Empower yourselves. 75% of this games talent is not in DNS - it's in pubs going negative because they're not in squads vs squads in full proto. GET THEM AND HELP THEM HELP YOU!

You know full well its logistically impossible.
This will never happen, this isnt EVE where there is an actual community.

And there can be no matchmaking when there are 20% new people and 80% vets in pubs.
Get your head out of your ass, you are just as much a part of the problem as CCPs inability to fix this shit.

I've found that most of you run organized squads that utilize teamwork and tactics combined with superior gear leading to excessive stomping.

And I don't care...

I love a good fight and have enough isk to not feel the burn of pc money laundering. I learn from most if not all of my losses, and prefer a tight loss over a stomp win. DNS black has an idea in mind, Kain Spero has hard boots on the ground, and a lot of cowardly troops rolled over and played dead in favor of grand design.

And I don't care...

Mercs bickering instead of combining forces and resources are infinitely more amusing in my opinion, like children screaming about what they don't want instead of figuring out what they want, while a few slightly older and bigger kids came in and took the candy. The adults meanwhile are off somewhere getting drunk only bothering to raise an eyebrow when someone is seriously I hired.

People seem to be mad they didn't have the idea, the manpower or the resources to do it.

Tl:dr- haters gonna hate.

I've found that most of you run organized squads that utilize teamwork and tactics combined with superior gear leading to excessive stomping.

And I don't care...

I love a good fight and have enough isk to not feel the burn of pc money laundering. I learn from most if not all of my losses, and prefer a tight loss over a stomp win. DNS black has an idea in mind, Kain Spero has hard boots on the ground, and a lot of cowardly troops rolled over and played dead in favor of grand design.

And I don't care...

Mercs bickering instead of combining forces and resources are infinitely more amusing in my opinion, like children screaming about what they don't want instead of figuring out what they want, while a few slightly older and bigger kids came in and took the candy. The adults meanwhile are off somewhere getting drunk only bothering to raise an eyebrow when someone is seriously I hired.

People seem to be mad they didn't have the idea, the manpower or the resources to do it.

Tl:dr- haters gonna hate.

Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there.

I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof.

So I have a question. Why?
Why is there a need for such hatred?

It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK.
Some trashy posters brag about this.
When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS.

And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know.

There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it?

So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS?

I find this to be hilarious, as though everyone who ever had any plans for PC planned on bluing up with as many other PC entities as possible and farming Isk.

Did you ever think that not everyone wants to just farm Isk?

Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe people want to have a PC that isn't a stagnant circlejerk?

PC was a failed experiment from day one though CCP has allowed it to run on for long enough that it now threatens the longevity of the game.

Conquest is NOT a bad idea, it is just that right now IS a bad time for it.

Then stop them if you can, or if you care. Plenty of people seem to be so bothered by it. What's the purpose of pc? To own all the land....Just like the unification of China or Japan who would be content owning a percent if you think you can take it all. Don't be mad you were slow to act. What other poi t than to be the best? Pardon me by this point in the day I'm too drunk to hold a debate lmao

Yes and yes
got an offer to make? Probably I'm buyable ;)

Pretend to be noble? Stop trying to crap on me please, I am not noble. I will **** YOU HARD FOR ******* WITH ME. But when you're not ******* with me, I'm a caring guy who loves this game. I do want to help, but I am not your solution. You are your own solution. CCP isn't going to reset MH or the ISK - and when new territories open up are you going to roll over when DNS shows up?

Empower yourselves. 75% of this games talent is not in DNS - it's in pubs going negative because they're not in squads vs squads in full proto. GET THEM AND HELP THEM HELP YOU!