DUST Search - Why the hate for DNS?

SoTa PoP wrote:

RemingtonBeaver wrote:

A third of the game is locked out to everyone that isn't in DNS.

OH and WTF have my utmost respect for staying in PC.

It's not CCP holding PC ransom. It's DNS.

The system had a flaw (what if we decided to all be on the same side?) and DNS exploited it to the max.

The protostomping doesn't matter. The ISK gains don't matter. The arrogance and gloating don't matter.

It's that a third of the game is gone because DNS wants it that way. For ego maybe, I can't say.

What you should come away with is that the community looks down on DNS. I've spoken to DNS players that look down on it, but out of fear of being ostracized from their corps they refuse speaking against it. That sounds like absolute fun to me.

It's bad for the community, it's bad for the game, and it's bad for the mercs enforcing it.

I would hate knowing that everyone outside of my alliance disliked me because of the nefarious dealings of the leadership in my alliance.

You talk about losing friends by leaving, but you're losing the entire community. DNS is a coffin with scum carved across the top. It's not a good place to be.

Quick question:

So is no one allowed to beat everyone else and take everything? Because it will 'kill the game and community?'

That's absurd, what am I building towards if not conquest? Be a merc? I get called out on that too! "It's wrong for corps to use merc, use there own guys!" Now it's wrong for me to hold too much land!

should I stop using BPO's in pubs too because it's unfair that I'm making even more ISK on top of PC?

What will you cry about next? That my SP is carrying me?? -.-


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RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 729	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:34:00 - [1] - Quote PC could have been regulated by the player-base, but some idiots always break the toys. DNS grew like a terrible cancer and people like Kane Spero, and Kujo would have you believe that they are trying to cure the cancer they in fact created. Blaming the system rather than admitting their own myopic greed. DNS is a joke. DNS runs in sponsored full proto in every pub match and then complain that no competition exists. DNS destroys the new player experience by such behavior and complains that the game is broken. DNS claims that no is trying to stop them when we all know that finance is the only attrition they play by. DNS acts as if this is some grand pursuit to own all of Molden Heath and even with shady tactics they cannot complete it. My hats off to Outer Heaven and What the French for preventing your idiocy full fruition. It's brings me great joy to see that even when playing it as dishonorable as you can, DNS is still failing. When the smoke clears. We will remember who the villains are. Maybe your ALTs will have more dignity. Maybe your shell corporations will be ran with some shred of reserve and intelligence. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 729	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:47:00 - [2] - Quote TunRa wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: DNS is a joke. It's okay to be ashamed of yourself. I mean being good at something and paying other people to be good at for you are pretty much the same thing...right? We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 729	Posted - 2014.04.28 01:33:00 - [3] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Not all the corps in DNS are looking to proto stomp you. Some of us want to help you reach proto. Heaven's Lost Property is one such corp, we're open recruitment, allowing even 1mil blue berries to join us and get what experience they can to grow themselves. We may have a strong PC team ourselves and constantly grow our ranks to field more A teamers - but that doesn't mean we won't try to help every corp willing to work with us to improve themselves or any player wanting to grow themselves up. The future of this game will not be in the Vets hands - but the new players. Don't think for a second that many of us in DNS don't realize this. Hence your hilarious PR campaign. The "It was CCP not us." rhetoric is finally over now it's the "We're trying to make nice now" campaign. You guys keep blowing smoke up each others asses and you might start thinking you did something noble. DNS scum. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.04.28 02:00:00 - [4] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Not all the corps in DNS are looking to proto stomp you. Some of us want to help you reach proto. Heaven's Lost Property is one such corp, we're open recruitment, allowing even 1mil blue berries to join us and get what experience they can to grow themselves. We may have a strong PC team ourselves and constantly grow our ranks to field more A teamers - but that doesn't mean we won't try to help every corp willing to work with us to improve themselves or any player wanting to grow themselves up. The future of this game will not be in the Vets hands - but the new players. Don't think for a second that many of us in DNS don't realize this. Hence your hilarious PR campaign. The "It was CCP not us." rhetoric is finally over now it's the "We're trying to make nice now" campaign. You guys keep blowing smoke up each others asses and you might start thinking you did something noble. DNS scum. I'm sorry you're upset, but get over it. I may want to help - HvLP may want to help - but that doesn't mean we won't ** all over you for acting like an ass like you currently are. We're still players in this game, and I won't sit here trying to do good and be ** on because you hold resentment that your corp didn't make the blue donut first. "Trying to do good." "I may want to help" You can't even commit to pretending to be good. I have no resentment. I am just making sure you DNS blues don't forget that you're the villains. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 738	Posted - 2014.04.28 02:59:00 - [5] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: You're the one trying to divide the community, yet we're the villains? You got some backwards thinking, there. Do you also put socks on your hands? And yes, "Trying" and "I may want to help" Because I also want to just punch some of you idiots in the face. Can't help it, but at least I'm 'trying', even if it's not good enough for tunnel vision people like you. Being divided sucks. Half the community thinks DNS is opportunistic cancer scum. The other half thinks DNS is protostomping arrogant douches. I don't see why we all can't just agree that DNS is opportunistic cancerous protostomping arrogant douche scum. Now we can all agree. "Tunnel vision" Only when I'm looking at you guys down in that hole you dug. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 739	Posted - 2014.04.28 03:49:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: DNS runs in sponsored full proto in every pub match and then complain that no competition exists. DNS destroys the new player experience by such behavior and complains that the game is broken. DNS claims that no is trying to stop them when we all know that finance is the only attrition they play by. DNS acts as if this is some grand pursuit to own all of Molden Heath and even with shady tactics they cannot complete it. I've never run full PRO in a PUB before (except AV). Though I do wish the competition was better. i don't see how popping tanks and running ADV gear 24/7 destroys the NPE. Finance is the only attrition DNS plays by? So we gained over 90% of MH by flaunting our ISK to wear down our enemies? What shady tactics? Is attacking a district and actually fighting considered shady nowadays? Man. I wish I could be a full protostomping, NPE destroying, shady dude who wins by smacking their opponents around with ISK; just like the peps in DNS. Oh please, tell me how you're so much better than the rest of your alliance. I hate that you guys aren't getting payed like the big three in DNS. Sorry. Have fun under the thumb scum. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 744	Posted - 2014.04.28 08:03:00 - [7] - Quote DNS shut out players from 1/3 of the game. Lumped almost all of the major competition together and pretended to be badasses for doing it. As to not getting shut out of the ISK farm the corps on the fence jumped on the bandwagon. Then after seeing that the backlash from the community was huge Kain Spero and his lackeys start a PR campaign to try to get everyone to believe that it was done in noble pursuit. Try to get a clown in a mask elected, and try to justify their piglet behavior. I don't see how SoTa, whom obviously is ashamed, cannot grow extremely tired of spouting the same rhetoric as to why DNS did what they did to the PC environment. If you want to distance yourself there is only one way. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 748	Posted - 2014.04.28 10:47:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: DNS shut out players from 1/3 of the game. Lumped almost all of the major competition together and pretended to be badasses for doing it. As to not getting shut out of the ISK farm the corps on the fence jumped on the bandwagon. Then after seeing that the backlash from the community was huge Kain Spero and his lackeys start a PR campaign to try to get everyone to believe that it was done in noble pursuit. Try to get a clown in a mask elected, and try to justify their piglet behavior. I don't see how SoTa, whom obviously is ashamed, cannot grow extremely tired of spouting the same rhetoric as to why DNS did what they did to the PC environment. If you want to distance yourself there is only one way. Pretend? The best players in this game 'pretend' to be bad assess? You really just want to just get crapped on. I don't care what happens from this point on, Molon Lobe won't ever be land owners again. I do not play nice to fags who cry and do nothing but shout tears in everyones faces without doing anything in game to show they're any different. You're a scrub, will always be a scrub, and I have no reason to defend DNS against trash like you. You can take this as a declaration of war between HvLP and Molon Lube. Not that it matters since you guys will likely never try for PC again, you've learned your place. You know I'm right. You can be mad at me all you want it doesn't change that fact. I never cried about it, , I called DNS what it was. A financed coup and player created cancer. The fact that you have no legs to stand on when defending it proves my point. You can lash out all you want, it won't bring your honor back. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 748	Posted - 2014.04.28 11:06:00 - [9] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: You post rant after rant calling DNS scum and you want to claim that isn't you crying over it? Damn, man, maybe I should take back what I said earlier. It feels like I just declared bad intents towards a corp because there village idiot escaped his leash and started posting. LOL You can't defend it, you can't argue against me because I'm right, so this is what's left. Pathetic attempts at insults. I figured you'd be better at it than that. You disappoint. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 753	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:55:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Atiim wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You post rant after rant calling DNS scum and you want to claim that isn't you crying over it? Damn, man, maybe I should take back what I said earlier. It feels like I just declared bad intents towards a corp because there village idiot escaped his leash and started posting. LOL You can't defend it, you can't argue against me because I'm right, so this is what's left. Pathetic attempts at insults. I figured you'd be better at it than that. You disappoint. Right about what? So far the only thing you've done is make extreme generalizations and blanket statements with no factual evidence to back it up. Though I do have some old friends who moved to Molon after D3LTA fell apart. Couple that with some cool dudes like Hawkin & Thor and you've got quite the respectable group of people. It would be a real shame to have a conflict start just because of one dude flapping his gums... The point of an argument is to convince the other party that your view is correct. Some people can never be persuaded, even with evidence. They see their own view as correct, simply because "it is". Don't even try arguing with these people. It's only slightly more productive than arguing with a wall. Side Note: It's okay to hate what the alliance because of what it stands for. It's okay to hate a player because of what he posts. It is NOT okay to hate a player SIMPLY because he is in the alliance. Let's not judge the individual by the group. I know some terrible people in DNS, and I also know some of the coolest. I have no hate for anyone in this game. You can't justify the doughnut. That's why arguing on its behalf doesn't work. Taking what I say personally when I am speaking of actions taken by your alliance only serves to iterate your personal disgust for those actions. It's apparent that many within DNS do not want to be viewed as villains. My berating attitude towards DNS is only about the scoundrel tactics used to form and enforce it. These are blanket statements, but the proof is in the current state of PC. We can wait on news from fanfest or those members that do not want to travel into the next chapter of Dust as villainous scum can turn it around before that hand is played for them. It won't take much and it'll be a hell of a ride. SoTa can hate me for now. He knows it is irrelevant to what is needed for curing this pestilence. We can pickle that.

RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 756	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:01:00 - [11] - Quote So did you get your answer Arkena? We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 756	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:32:00 - [12] - Quote A third of the game is locked out to everyone that isn't in DNS. OH and WTF have my utmost respect for staying in PC. It's not CCP holding PC ransom. It's DNS. The system had a flaw (what if we decided to all be on the same side?) and DNS exploited it to the max. The protostomping doesn't matter. The ISK gains don't matter. The arrogance and gloating don't matter. It's that a third of the game is gone because DNS wants it that way. For ego maybe, I can't say. What you should come away with is that the community looks down on DNS. I've spoken to DNS players that look down on it, but out of fear of being ostracized from their corps they refuse speaking against it. That sounds like absolute fun to me. It's bad for the community, it's bad for the game, and it's bad for the mercs enforcing it. I would hate knowing that everyone outside of my alliance disliked me because of the nefarious dealings of the leadership in my alliance. You talk about losing friends by leaving, but you're losing the entire community. DNS is a coffin with scum carved across the top. It's not a good place to be. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 757	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:49:00 - [13] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: A third of the game is locked out to everyone that isn't in DNS. OH and WTF have my utmost respect for staying in PC. It's not CCP holding PC ransom. It's DNS. The system had a flaw (what if we decided to all be on the same side?) and DNS exploited it to the max. The protostomping doesn't matter. The ISK gains don't matter. The arrogance and gloating don't matter. It's that a third of the game is gone because DNS wants it that way. For ego maybe, I can't say. What you should come away with is that the community looks down on DNS. I've spoken to DNS players that look down on it, but out of fear of being ostracized from their corps they refuse speaking against it. That sounds like absolute fun to me. It's bad for the community, it's bad for the game, and it's bad for the mercs enforcing it. I would hate knowing that everyone outside of my alliance disliked me because of the nefarious dealings of the leadership in my alliance. You talk about losing friends by leaving, but you're losing the entire community. DNS is a coffin with scum carved across the top. It's not a good place to be. Quick question: So is no one allowed to beat everyone else and take everything? Because it will 'kill the game and community?' That's absurd, what am I building towards if not conquest? Be a merc? I get called out on that too! "It's wrong for corps to use merc, use there own guys!" Now it's wrong for me to hold too much land! should I stop using BPO's in pubs too because it's unfair that I'm making even more ISK on top of PC? What will you cry about next? That my SP is carrying me?? -.- So you think the current state of PC is good? PC is stagnant and dead. New players will not get to see what it could be, only DNS and their magnificent self gratification machine. No one is impressed with it . Coordinating attacks on 2 corps super exciting? You can't even imagine how lame you sound trying to make it sound like a legitimate goal. It's stale and it stinks. The scum rises to the top. Congrats. Now knock it off so we can get back to having fun. I also think it's super cute that you DNS flag waving lunatics think you can get under my skin. You won't. Not on your best day. You guys can keep trying to justify why you're scared to stop it. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 767	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:33:00 - [14] - Quote I'm sure riding the wave of taking over Molden Heath was exciting for DNS. You meta'd victory and had enough "A" teams to conquer and enough "B" teams to keep it safe. Well played. Now the fun is gone. It's time to torch the fields. To answer you SoTa. No, no one can conquer Molden Heath, but a large group of players can ruin it. We can pickle that.