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emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 122	Posted - 2014.04.28 17:55:00 - [1] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Not all the corps in DNS are looking to proto stomp you. Some of us want to help you reach proto. Heaven's Lost Property is one such corp, we're open recruitment, allowing even 1mil blue berries to join us and get what experience they can to grow themselves. We may have a strong PC team ourselves and constantly grow our ranks to field more A teamers - but that doesn't mean we won't try to help every corp willing to work with us to improve themselves or any player wanting to grow themselves up. The future of this game will not be in the Vets hands - but the new players. Don't think for a second that many of us in DNS don't realize this. And yet you run with those that keep everyone down. It reminds me of Donald Sterling....I wanna help all these unfortunate individuals, but dear god don't let me be associated with them. No matter what you say you wanna do, if you are with them, then you will be seen as them. Leave DNS with the isk you have amassed, open the rolls to others and use that isk to keep them going instead of folding. Even the **** party had community outreach programs, doesn't mean they didn't do their best to annihilate an entire group of people from the face of the planet. You will never be taken seriously by me, or many others, as a group out to help others unless you leave DNS. Simple as that.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 122	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:06:00 - [2] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Not all the corps in DNS are looking to proto stomp you. Some of us want to help you reach proto. Heaven's Lost Property is one such corp, we're open recruitment, allowing even 1mil blue berries to join us and get what experience they can to grow themselves. We may have a strong PC team ourselves and constantly grow our ranks to field more A teamers - but that doesn't mean we won't try to help every corp willing to work with us to improve themselves or any player wanting to grow themselves up. The future of this game will not be in the Vets hands - but the new players. Don't think for a second that many of us in DNS don't realize this. Hence your hilarious PR campaign. The "It was CCP not us." rhetoric is finally over now it's the "We're trying to make nice now" campaign. You guys keep blowing smoke up each others asses and you might start thinking you did something noble. DNS scum. I'm sorry you're upset, but get over it. I may want to help - HvLP may want to help - but that doesn't mean we won't ** all over you for acting like an ass like you currently are. We're still players in this game, and I won't sit here trying to do good and be ** on because you hold resentment that your corp didn't make the blue donut first. "Trying to do good." "I may want to help" You can't even commit to pretending to be good. I have no resentment. I am just making sure you DNS blues don't forget that you're the villains. You're the one trying to divide the community, yet we're the villains? You got some backwards thinking, there. Do you also put socks on your hands? And yes, "Trying" and "I may want to help" Because I also want to just punch some of you idiots in the face. Can't help it, but at least I'm 'trying', even if it's not good enough for tunnel vision people like you. You actually divided the community when you decided that there would be 2 groups in Dust, those who hold districts, and those not in DNS. Don't try to spin this as the fault of the people pointing this out. You are, and will remain a villain, until you leave DNS voluntarily. If it fails on its own, I will treat every corp who went from DNS after the fact as if they are still together unless they leave first on their own accord. This isn't a threat, as I have no way to back it up, just stating ho myself and others feel. And I will actively do what I can to help bring this about.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 122	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:08:00 - [3] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You're the one trying to divide the community, yet we're the villains? You got some backwards thinking, there. Do you also put socks on your hands? And yes, "Trying" and "I may want to help" Because I also want to just punch some of you idiots in the face. Can't help it, but at least I'm 'trying', even if it's not good enough for tunnel vision people like you. Being divided sucks. Half the community thinks DNS is opportunistic cancer scum. The other half thinks DNS is protostomping arrogant douches. I don't see why we all can't just agree that DNS is opportunistic cancerous protostomping arrogant douche scum. Now we can all agree. "Tunnel vision" Only when I'm looking at you guys down in that hole you dug. +1 for this I love Bill Hicks as well. Great reply.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 122	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: steelRatt wrote: I don't hate DNS don't care if they wanna run proto or tanks there is a lot of corps that do how ever locking pc claiming you want to fix pc earning tons of isk and stopping anyone else from trying might be were all the hatred comes from why not lock down 60% and let others fight over the rest? There are only 5 districts being locked at the moment, and those don't belong to us. All 240 districts belonging to DNS are online and ready to be fought on after everyone who would ever play in a PC for DNS has several hundred million to billions of isk stockpiled, I'm amazed you would even realize one way or the other. The hate isn't because of what is happening right now, it is for everything that has, as well as is currently going on. Your alliance did lock everything you could, until it was made unprofitable. Just because you aren't voluntarily costing yourselves isk, doesn't mean you are doing something positive for the community. Please quit trying to make it sound like you have always had your districts open to be attacked since even before DNS "formed", when we all know that most all were permalocked while you amassed the fortunes your corp now possess.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 122	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:39:00 - [5] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Atiim wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You post rant after rant calling DNS scum and you want to claim that isn't you crying over it? Damn, man, maybe I should take back what I said earlier. It feels like I just declared bad intents towards a corp because there village idiot escaped his leash and started posting. LOL You can't defend it, you can't argue against me because I'm right, so this is what's left. Pathetic attempts at insults. I figured you'd be better at it than that. You disappoint. Right about what? So far the only thing you've done is make extreme generalizations and blanket statements with no factual evidence to back it up. Though I do have some old friends who moved to Molon after D3LTA fell apart. Couple that with some cool dudes like Hawkin & Thor and you've got quite the respectable group of people. It would be a real shame to have a conflict start just because of one dude flapping his gums... The point of an argument is to convince the other party that your view is correct. Some people can never be persuaded, even with evidence. They see their own view as correct, simply because "it is". Don't even try arguing with these people. It's only slightly more productive than arguing with a wall. Side Note: It's okay to hate what the alliance because of what it stands for. It's okay to hate a player because of what he posts. It is NOT okay to hate a player SIMPLY because he is in the alliance. Let's not judge the individual by the group. I know some terrible people in DNS, and I also know some of the coolest. Then the cool ones should form their own corp with the bilions they have hoarded, they will then forever be removed from getting grouped with the "bad" DNS members. Until that happens, you are all a bunch of POS's. P.S.-Yes, I have played with several of your members. Most are actually decent human beings, much to my surprise. but I also feel that they are likely just doing that because they know the hate is strong whenever they do anything "DNS-like" outside of their alliance. I'm probably wrong, but that is what your alliance has done, caused many of us to distrust what would likely be solid squad/teammates because we hate helping anyone from that alliance out at all.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 123	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:13:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Guilt by Association, yes, I know it is a fallacy, this does not prevent it from happening. If you want to not be painted as guilty, then do not associate with those who are/portray themselves to be. I was never on board for my corp to join DNS in the first place, but I'm here simply because I enjoy the people in my corp (when I play, that is). Although I hate the alliance (aside from RND - they're cool) and what they're doing, there's not many other places I would want to be. So, are you saying that I should be guilty simply because I like to play the game with my friends? Yes. That is EXACTLY what we are saying. You can always leave the alliance if you feel as if you are being treated unfairly (we all feel that way in this game eventually). Even leaving their alliance you can still play with them by forming squads/talking from an independent chat channel (bet you use one already anyway) and joining up from there. Nothing keeping you from doing that except your love of printing isk, so please just admit it so we can move onto something else. Otherwise, you are one of them and will get the same hate as the rest of them.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 123	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote M1A1 Blaster Master wrote: I call in tanks in every pub match I am in because that is what I do. It is unfortunate that I only get good fights when others from DNS are on the other side though. Then why don't you fight them over control of each others districts? You would then be GUARANTEED of this match you so desperately desire.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 123	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:19:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: emtbraincase wrote: Yes. That is EXACTLY what we are saying. You can always leave the alliance if you feel as if you are being treated unfairly (we all feel that way in this game eventually). Even leaving their alliance you can still play with them by forming squads/talking from an independent chat channel (bet you use one already anyway) and joining up from there. Nothing keeping you from doing that except your love of printing isk, so please just admit it so we can move onto something else. Otherwise, you are one of them and will get the same hate as the rest of them. So basically damage the ties between his closest friends simply because a forum community had their feeling hurt? I'm not sure if I should go into details as to why that's not a good idea. I left my last corp because I had disagreements over the corp and still play with the friends I went into the corp with daily. Not too hard if they are truly friends, and not just people you make the most with.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 124	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:36:00 - [9] - Quote waters104 wrote: Its called were more organized lolz we plan before are boots hit the ground what about you? How about you all fight each other so you can get that "oh so satisfying" challenge you all speak so highly of wanting. Until that happens.........
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 124	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:46:00 - [10] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: emtbraincase wrote: Yes. That is EXACTLY what we are saying. You can always leave the alliance if you feel as if you are being treated unfairly (we all feel that way in this game eventually). Even leaving their alliance you can still play with them by forming squads/talking from an independent chat channel (bet you use one already anyway) and joining up from there. Nothing keeping you from doing that except your love of printing isk, so please just admit it so we can move onto something else. Otherwise, you are one of them and will get the same hate as the rest of them. lol I'm guilty of playing the game with friends! Arrest me! Nope, you said you had to leave to not be grouped into them and I agreed. You would have to leave them to not be grouped in with them. If you don't mind being hated by the rest of the community (No reason you should) then you would have to leave the alliance to not be counted among them. As I stated after that quote, I do it daily myself.

emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 124	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:51:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: emtbraincase wrote: Nope, you said you had to leave to not be grouped into them and I agreed. You would have to leave them to not be grouped in with them. If you don't mind being hated by the rest of the community (No reason you should) then you would have to leave the alliance to not be counted among them. As I stated after that quote, I do it daily myself. Why would I mind being hated by people? :D Also, I have more than enough ISK. The ISK I get from my corp is just a side bonus. Although flying my ADS is very expensive. >:3 So you are arguing with me that everything I said was correct. Then brag about how much you had by exploiting a game mechanic. THIS is why we hate DNS.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 124	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote waters104 wrote: You guys and including myself are not douches we have a goal and we are determine too succed why nobody else see that have you ever had a goal before lolz Sure, but my goal is rarely to ruin the one game I play the most.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 124	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:13:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: waters104 wrote: Excuse my other my other replies i being serious on what i said lolz waters, I don't mean to be mean or anything, but this probably isn't the place to be starting your forum career. You're not helping. emtbraincase wrote: waters104 wrote: You guys and including myself are not douches we have a goal and we are determine too succed why nobody else see that have you ever had a goal before lolz Sure, but my goal is rarely to ruin the one game I play the most. And again, we have this 'blurf ur ruining the game'. How? PC? As an alliance, we effectively own PC, that's true. But it's unfeasible for any one group to break away and start fighting the others because they'll get utterly wrecked. Pub-stomping? This is hardly just DNS doing this. Practically any organised squad will stomp the opposition completely, and prototype gear is not so expensive that nobody else can afford to run it. Hell, before I joined DNS I subsisted for half a year on the funds I got from the Uprising refund, permanently running prototype gear, even after giving away ISK. That was without any PC funding. How is it that DNS, specifically, alone amongst all other groups, completely ruins the game? If I pubstomp I run the risk of going broke. NOBODY in DNS runs the risk of going broke if they hand out a few million a day to randoms and STILL run proto all day in pubs. THAT is how you are ruining the game for those who have absolutely zero aspirations of PC. You earn isk through PC, we earn isk from pubs. You stomp in pubs, we cannot make isk. You wanna go a long way earning less ire from the community? Ban all corpmates from using any suit/weapon above adv in a pub. You are all supposedly good enough that you would still top the boards, but those less active players would have a chance. I would love to see tankers gone as well, but again a limit to MLT tanks would also work. They still tank, but not automatically the best thing on the field. I could/would care less if you owned 100% of PC if you kept that isk outta pubs. Pretty sure I'm not the only one.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 125	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:52:00 - [14] - Quote added numbers to make answering easier. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: emtbraincase wrote: If I pubstomp I run the risk of going broke. NOBODY in DNS runs the risk of going broke if they hand out a few million a day to randoms and STILL run proto all day in pubs. THAT is how you are ruining the game for those who have absolutely zero aspirations of PC. You earn isk through PC, we earn isk from pubs. You stomp in pubs, we cannot make isk. 1)But you can make ISK. There is nothing stopping you from making ISK. You will make ISK even if you AFK the match. Running proto won't even reduce your payout by stomping you if you actually fight - destroying them will result in a much larger payout. 2)Also, anyone who is actually a vet almost certainly doesn't 'run the risk of going broke' because they have a massive quantity of ISK themselves given to them by the Uprising refunds. I lived off that for months after Uprising and still had hundreds of millions left before seeing a single ISK from PC. Protostomping is not something that just DNS do. Loads of people do it. 3)And regardless of the ISK levels behind it, the net result is the same - somebody gets stomped horribly by a load of guys in proto. If this is what is 'ruining the game' it is not DNS alone that is doing it. 1a) And it is what I currently do, and have done, since PC started being abused awhile ago. Only run proto when I have/had a good enough squad to support it. 2a)What do you call a "vet"? I played open beta, but had other games I played more at the time. Came back, on-and-off again for awhile and I've been playing solid over a year. If I want a competitive match with DNS members I have to be prepared to lose 1-3 million (4-15 deaths) on a pub where my best payout ever was 700k+ isk (we barely beat a DNS squad in the gal research facility for that, and had about 7k WP to get that much). If I run into a squad of your proto every other match (which is more likely than you would think) then the math gets expensive. I'm by no means broke, but if I run that way for a few days my bankroll could disappear quickly. Most people don't have hundreds of millions laying around, they can't all be as good as DNS corpmembers. 3a)Still haven't addressed the issue I brought up, which was why do you need to bring isk earned from PC into the pub matches. You could play FW all day long, spending that isk there (which we don't expect to earn isk at anyway), and leaving pubs alone. But your corps intentionally run pubs, thus having an endless supply of suits versus most average people's limited stockpiles for any individual match. If you really don't see the issue here, there is not much else we can say. Simplest solution to this would be DNS corps staying outta pubs unless they run adv at best (weap & suit) and save their protostomping for a FW queue-sync. You could even organize a match between yourselves in FW to get that challenge you all seem to be looking for. You will disappear in our eyes, and thus the hate will end. Only reason not to is because it isn't just about the isk, but being able to hold it over people to make them do as you please. I hope it actually is just about isk, but I doubt it is for most of your members.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 125	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:44:00 - [15] - Quote Global Enforcer wrote: Guys I don't get why ppl hate on a alliance as a whole, the hate should be directed to a player not a whole alliance because you feel your getting stomped. People like myself run dren bpos and still do great so there's hope for all you blue berries And that dren BPO (which I have) cost $99 usd to you and is unavailable anymore, so that is a bad argument. Those who couldn't get it are the ones who could use the help most, and the only ones you actually hurt most (other than the new playerbase, which never stay more than 1-2 matches against your corps). Those dren BPO's are std upgraded variants, not MLT variants. The only BPO's any for awhile could get are the Frontline fits, a far cry from what your full-BPO suit actually cost.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 125	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:51:00 - [16] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: emtbraincase wrote: Global Enforcer wrote: Guys I don't get why ppl hate on a alliance as a whole, the hate should be directed to a player not a whole alliance because you feel your getting stomped. People like myself run dren bpos and still do great so there's hope for all you blue berries And that dren BPO (which I have) cost $99 usd to you and is unavailable anymore, so that is a bad argument. Those who couldn't get it are the ones who could use the help most, and the only ones you actually hurt most (other than the new playerbase, which never stay more than 1-2 matches against your corps). Those dren BPO's are std upgraded variants, not MLT variants. The only BPO's any for awhile could get are the Frontline fits, a far cry from what your full-BPO suit actually cost. You could get the BPO Templars for the same price and stats, actually, better stats. So, how is his argument invalid, again? So where on the marketplace can I buy these? Only ones I've seen are sold by individuals I wouldn't trust with a pile of *****, let alone any of my information/isk/aur.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 125	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:02:00 - [17] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: emtbraincase wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: emtbraincase wrote: Global Enforcer wrote: Guys I don't get why ppl hate on a alliance as a whole, the hate should be directed to a player not a whole alliance because you feel your getting stomped. People like myself run dren bpos and still do great so there's hope for all you blue berries And that dren BPO (which I have) cost $99 usd to you and is unavailable anymore, so that is a bad argument. Those who couldn't get it are the ones who could use the help most, and the only ones you actually hurt most (other than the new playerbase, which never stay more than 1-2 matches against your corps). Those dren BPO's are std upgraded variants, not MLT variants. The only BPO's any for awhile could get are the Frontline fits, a far cry from what your full-BPO suit actually cost. You could get the BPO Templars for the same price and stats, actually, better stats. So, how is his argument invalid, again? So where on the marketplace can I buy these? Only ones I've seen are sold by individuals I wouldn't trust with a pile of *****, let alone any of my information/isk/aur. That's your choice. I bought mine through Tradehub, 100% trust worthy. do a topic search on this forum "Tradehub" one word, and put in an order. Again, this isn't something that is done through the marketplace. This is done in the meta-game. I have no reason to trust them, and I may not be the only one. So there is no place for someone to buy a BPO from the Dust Marketplace, which is what I said. I saw CCP state they are stopping the sale of BPO's on the marketplace, I bought mine then. So as far as the average person in the game would know, that is it. No more BPO's unless you trust this outside entity. That is all the argument intended. If he runs equivalent and pays for it, then he is at the same spot as a relatively newish player.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 125	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:05:00 - [18] - Quote waters104 wrote: What happen to the old happy days of dust how come we cant all get along like back then in beta specially q.q its just a game actually ccp is gonna open a new region just instead of it just being moilden heat lolz Back then 1 group didn't own everything, and those who did had to actually defend it.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 126	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:22:00 - [19] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Beeeees wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Is this a serious comment? Logistically IMPOSSIBLE TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE???? Are you REALLY meaning that? Wow, just wow. You're the single biggest idiot out of every anti-dns poster I have ever seen. Congratulations, someone get this guy a BPO suit with a dunce hat on it. There is a community here - you're just blinded to anything but hate. It is logistically impossible to fund a force to battle the blue donut while being outside of it. To supply that force from corp side would require to have a part in PC already. To supply that force from individual pockets would require to grind the everloving ** out of the game. Sure I can scramble say 50 really pissed people, and then start a coordinated offensive. We-¦ll run dry in a week and then what? Grind some more in pubs just to sustain the assault? PC in Dust is a war of attrition. When I got into PC I first realized what that war of attrition means here. We lost hard, we lost on ressources, we lost on time, we lost on manpower. Ultimately we won some battles but we lost the war. Now let me ask you something, how does one suppose to win a war of attrition against someone who has literally unlimited ressources? You are the one who-¦s blind here, and deaf on top of it, if you believe that your turbohugbox is even penetrable from the outside. I never said anything about funding, did I? I said, recruit talent, and let it help you. How long do you think it takes an intelligent person to figure out Dust strategies? How much effort do you think it takes for 16 players to properly coordinate to be effective? You, are, a, failure. If you want to give up, then leave, get the out of the forums too, we don't need your negativity swallowing to even further negative direction. What we need are people who can rise up, find talent, and bring it together to strengthen the corps in this game to add more strong teams to prevent a donut from happening again. All you *** see from my post is whatever the ** you want. Seriously, just leave the forums if this is all your worth. That already happened. Then they ALL joined DNS to take part in the isk printing.
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 126	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:26:00 - [20] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Beeeees wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Is this a serious comment? Logistically IMPOSSIBLE TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE???? Are you REALLY meaning that? Wow, just wow. You're the single biggest idiot out of every anti-dns poster I have ever seen. Congratulations, someone get this guy a BPO suit with a dunce hat on it. There is a community here - you're just blinded to anything but hate. It is logistically impossible to fund a force to battle the blue donut while being outside of it. To supply that force from corp side would require to have a part in PC already. To supply that force from individual pockets would require to grind the everloving ** out of the game. Sure I can scramble say 50 really pissed people, and then start a coordinated offensive. We-¦ll run dry in a week and then what? Grind some more in pubs just to sustain the assault? PC in Dust is a war of attrition. When I got into PC I first realized what that war of attrition means here. We lost hard, we lost on ressources, we lost on time, we lost on manpower. Ultimately we won some battles but we lost the war. Now let me ask you something, how does one suppose to win a war of attrition against someone who has literally unlimited ressources? You are the one who-¦s blind here, and deaf on top of it, if you believe that your turbohugbox is even penetrable from the outside. ^^this is the single most sensible comment i have read in this entire thread. sensiable? Sense is *** doing something instead of crying. Had no ideas you supported tears over action. Thought you were more of a front soldier type, not the beaten down by a big stick type. You guys seriously make me sick. Dust doesn't need people like you, leave. It's a competitive atmosphere here where people striving to always get the next edge. If you can't *** keep up then sit the down and shut the ** up. How about you show how badass you are by splintering off and taking over MH with just your corp if it is that easy. You actually have a large portion we don't have to make it feasible. But that would require you to put forth the effort you believe others should do so I doubt you thought of it that way.

emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 126	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:17:00 - [21] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Beeeees wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Thank you for this post, it's a light in darkness for me right now. I am not asking you guys to mass attack us though, that's not the point. I am asking you guys to get ready for when the time comes where DNS splinters, or CCP opens the door to new mechanics changing PC - you will be ready to smash our faces in. That's, all. What you do is spewing ** and puffing out your feathers playing the boss . I will be there to smash your face in personally once DNS is not an inpenetrable fortress of handholding, however right now, there is nothing anyone can do outside of DNS. Stop acting like you dont know that. Cool, finally, some fire in someones belly. Bring that to your team and make it strong and come smash my face in when the time comes. Nothing could honestly make me happier right now. DNS, the blue donut, this hatred. If I didn't make so much isk** in DNS I would be with you guys. There. Fixed that for ya.