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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1031	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:40:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). Uprising 1.8 - Invisible War
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4986	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:44:00 - [2] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). Even easier: Increase the time it takes to draw your weapon after dropping cloak Add a cooldown before you can "re-cloak", possibly one that starts out at something like 15 seconds and reduces to 10 on the PRO version. Make all the hit effects show up properly on a cloaked Scout when you shoot them, rather than right now where it's hard to tell if you're hitting them. That means shield flare and that little splash effect when you hit armor. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 434	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:45:00 - [3] - Quote cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 616	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:47:00 - [4] - Quote I wouldn't mind seeing the basic cloak act as more of a get-the-f-out-of-Dodge piece of equipment; limit it to 5 seconds or so (and reduce the recharge time slightly) and have it function as a way for scouts to try and escape from a gunfight. If not that, then I support the idea of lowering the scout suit/cloak bonus (or even lowering the CPU/PG of the suits) to force players to choose what they're willing to give up to have a cloak. "Trust and you'll be trusted," says the liar to the fool.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 202	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:47:00 - [5] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1 and 2 are fine, but if you nerf the shotgun stats, they better fix that hit detection and sprinting bugs. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 140	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. I can get behind this. Where before you couldn't fit jack on a scout suit, I can now fit anything and everything I want without any problems. 2. I couldn't care less about this one. Do it or don't. Makes no difference to me. 3. No. Just no. Nobody cried about the shotgun (which retains the EXACT SAME killing potential it had before) until the cloak came along. Stop blaming SGs for the faults of the cloak. Add the firing delay everyone wants (and that should've already been implemented) instead.
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1301	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:50:00 - [7] - Quote Oh god no Only thing that should disable cloaks are flux grenades
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 985	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:56:00 - [8] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. This is completely unfair to players that are low SP. See here for an explanation.. Also, the idea of a Cloak was for Scouts to fit it easily; without restriction. 2. I am not sure on this one completely. I could get behind damage causing the user to completely appear and for a second after taking damage but for 1 bullet to instantly strip cloak is a bit much. 3. Nerfing Shotguns because Cloaks allow them to be more easily used is unfair to Shotguns and people that use Shotguns without being a Scout. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 206	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). I don't think I'm as alarmed at the current state of scouts/cloaks as you are, but an incremental nerf may be in order. I think a good first step might be to make it so de-cloaking brings the cloaks power down to at least 30-40% power (or the current charge level if it is less). This makes it so the scout must be visible for a while after de-cloaking and makes the use of higher level cloaks more attractive as they will be more useful at 50% charge than lower level ones. So a variation of #2. -Aramis
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 309	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:01:00 - [10] - Quote Minnie Scouts still have big fitting issues Just putting that out there "Shine bright like a diamond"

Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 371	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:05:00 - [11] - Quote I'd love to see some changes/fixes to cloaks right now, but I think the bads are too happy that they can actually make kills with shotguns now. The Scrambler Rifle is dead, long live the Scrambler Rifle!
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4498	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:10:00 - [12] - Quote -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 434	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:12:00 - [13] - Quote bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 912	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:14:00 - [14] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. I didn't want to say this for fear of offending shotty scout vets, but there is some craziness going on. Looking for the scout hangout?
Onesimus Tarsus GamersForChrist 1763	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:17:00 - [15] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4499	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:20:00 - [16] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. LOL No. Let's increase that gap between the Gallente scout and every other scout some more shall we? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 142	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:24:00 - [17] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Dude, let's talk scout to scout here... Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool. But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization 198	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:25:00 - [18] - Quote Here is an idea... make cloaking/decloaking loud(er) "and when they catch you, they will kill you... ...but first they must catch you" motto of the scouts Closed Beta Vet
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 436	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:31:00 - [19] - Quote bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2744	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:32:00 - [20] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). Number 1 is good because I'm assuming that this is to minimize bricked, cloak scouts without affecting non-cloaked players. Number 2 is great idea...period. Number 3....not sure if the shotgun needs a nerf. And I hate shotgunners but I don't think that the shotgun needs to be nerfed. The shotgun isn't the problem, it's the cloak and the ability to spam the cloak. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts)

I-Shayz-I I-----I 2798	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:33:00 - [21] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool All this does is allow you to turn around and see the person who kills you, since the vast majority of problem scouts are the ones that you can see, who also happen to have like 500+ ehp and take so long to kill that you don't stand a chance unless the shotgun scout has a poor shot. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 127	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:34:00 - [22] - Quote As a logi I would like to say that before cloaks were introduced I only ever worried about good scouts with a shotgun. I would rather see incremental steps taken IF things were to get adjusted. I think cloaking has changed the battle landscape in a good way and would hate to see it beaten to a non useful item. Remember good players will be good regardless of weapon, suit or fit. GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1268	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:36:00 - [23] - Quote Make it so you have to manually decloak by using the fire button before performing any of the other actions that would normally decloak you (i.e. switching weapon/equipment, melee, or throwing a grenade). If you don't press the fire button to decloak manually, you can't do any of those things. Then the cloak is balanced.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 436	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:36:00 - [24] - Quote Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Dude, let's talk scout to scout here... Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool. But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics. there is nothing wrong with shotugun cloak combo, nothing wrong with the cloak either, the shotgun was and is horribly broken even before cloaks so all i hear is whinning, nerf nerf nerf invest sp and isk into scanning skills and modules u WILL see them
Revelations 514 Red Star. EoN. 155	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:38:00 - [25] - Quote You guys are friggen crazy. SG is OP huh? You mean a short range weapon excels at short range? At least your pretty little AR has a chance to kill a SG User up close, albeit a small one. How much chance does a SG User have at killing an AR User from range? That's easy, 0%, none. Let's see, cloaks are OP huh? Don't worry, just wait until the racial variants come out and you will see they are not. Or how about, cloaks aren't OP, it's just your ability of perception is UP, buff perception radius. Wait, I got it, see Heavies are supposed to stay guarding objectives and destroy vehicles, Assault is supposed to run in packs and equip scanners. See you just aren't playing your class right. No wait, I was wrong, it was the fact you came into contact with a really good cloak user, you can't judge all cloak users because you probably came up against one of the elite ones. No wait, you used the wrong tactics, you aren't supposed to run TOWARD SG users, but back away from. I understand that since everyone was forced to pick up an AR/SCR to be competitive the last few months you probably just forgot what tactics to use against SG's. Funny how everyone cries about the Scouts now that they don't hug the bottom of the boards. I've been back to playing since 1.8 came out and for some reason don't see this trend of Scouts at the top of leaderboards each match, which for about 7 months before 1.8 was dominated by AR Assault Cals and Logi Assaults. Instead I see a mix of heavies, tank users, scouts, true logis, even Assaults. I ask you this, why all the QQ about Scouts and Cloaks? I have seen other classes use cloaks and no one is complaining about that. They use them the same way after all. You want shields to drop to zero when cloaked? Why, does it save you the one bullet it takes to drop my shields? lol gtfo. As the crippled Scouts heard soo many times, HTFU and Adapt or Die!
RA Drahcir Inner.Hell 332	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:44:00 - [26] - Quote LOL dude says to counter with precision mods. Show me a heavy that can get its precision down to pick up a cloaked scout; show me an assault that can do the same while still having the gear to compete against HP/speed tanked scouts. Enhancing assaults precision and range is just one of the things they need to level out, a base of 50 dB by 10 meters is just ridiculous...it should be viable for an assault to sacrifice precious modules to pick up at least an ADV/undampened cloaked scout. CCP, lets take it one step at a time and try out buffing assaults precision down to a base of 44 dB by 15 meters. I am down for e-warfare if CCP makes it worth while for an assault, not everyone wants to use a cloak with a shotgun.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 246	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:49:00 - [27] - Quote 1. sure 2. How about link the cloak to suit shields? shields go down cloak goes down? 3. Meh I'd leave it alone, personal experience good SGers drop me bad ones don't. seems about right. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Yan Darn Science For Death 489	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:49:00 - [28] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). QQ guy: Shotguns are so OP! I can't believe they had such a massive buff. Rational playerbase: squeak mumble squeak QQ: What's that, they actually got an effective nerf in 1.8? That can't be true, I hardly ever used to get killed by shotguns before! RP: mumble squeak squeak? QQ: No, I don't think people using scouts and shotguns more is part of the reason I'm dying to them more.... Then it's clacks then! That must be it - I never even see these shotgun guys when they kill me, so they must have been clacked! RP: mumble mumble squeak? QQ: Well no, I obviously can't prove they were clacked in all cases...you say scouts were making sneak attacks like this before 1.8, buts that's impossible without clacks. I mean they didn't have dampening or radar bonuses before did they? I mean I don't really know, like any sensible person I used logis or at least assault so even though I've been playing for [6 months/since open beta] I don't actually know anything about scouts... RP: mumble mumble mumble QQ: the switch weapon declack thing was unintended? Wait for it to be fixed then reassess how balanced they are? The scout bonus is specifically so scouts can use them easier, and it's only 'easy' to fit once a boatload of SP is invested in fitting skills, and new players are kinda left without a useful bonus unti all this SP is invested? RP: squeak mumb... QQ: Okay, you can stop your fancy talk now - this has gone on long enough. I don't see how the low cost of armour plates is what contributes to the idea that cloaks are easy to fit. The bottom line is this. I get very upset when killed by people I can't see (on my tac-net) and I think suits should only be balanced by EHP/Damage - this 'EWAR' thing sounds like something for cowards and pussies with no gun game. The gal-logi was an example of a well balanced suit, but then they horribly nerfed it and then made scouts OP. I think the most sensible course of action for someone in my state of distress is to come here and demand changes to things I personally don't like. Now Good Day to you sir... The Ghost of Bravo
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 437	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:50:00 - [29] - Quote if i hav to show you u wont learn it for your self, i play all five roles, heavy,commando, assault, logi, scout and i have no issue with detecting cloaked people at all, adapt fit your suit correctly and get the skills to properly counter the cloak
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 437	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:53:00 - [30] - Quote if i hav to show you u wont learn it for your self, i play all five roles, heavy,commando, assault, logi, scout and i have no issue with detecting cloaked people at all, adapt fit your suit correctly and get the skills to properly counter the cloak

ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 478	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:58:00 - [31] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Dude, let's talk scout to scout here... Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool. But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics. there is nothing wrong with shotugun cloak combo, nothing wrong with the cloak either, the shotgun was and is horribly broken even before cloaks so all i hear is whinning, nerf nerf nerf invest sp and isk into scanning skills and modules u WILL see them It takes precision enhancement 5 and 3 complex precision enhancers for a logi to see an undampened cloaked scout. How many logi frames have or can afford 3 high slots? Only a level 5 gal Logi with the focused proto scanner can see a Dampened Gal Scout. Assaults and Heavies are SOL. No amount of skills and enhancers get them below 25db. YouTube
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1035	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:01:00 - [32] - Quote Revelations 514 wrote: You guys are friggen crazy. SG is OP huh? You mean a short range weapon excels at short range? At least your pretty little AR has a chance to kill a SG User up close, albeit a small one. How much chance does a SG User have at killing an AR User from range? That's easy, 0%, none. Let's see, cloaks are OP huh? Don't worry, just wait until the racial variants come out and you will see they are not. Or how about, cloaks aren't OP, it's just your ability of perception is UP, buff perception radius. Wait, I got it, see Heavies are supposed to stay guarding objectives and destroy vehicles, Assault is supposed to run in packs and equip scanners. See you just aren't playing your class right. No wait, I was wrong, it was the fact you came into contact with a really good cloak user, you can't judge all cloak users because you probably came up against one of the elite ones. No wait, you used the wrong tactics, you aren't supposed to run TOWARD SG users, but back away from. I understand that since everyone was forced to pick up an AR/SCR to be competitive the last few months you probably just forgot what tactics to use against SG's. Funny how everyone cries about the Scouts now that they don't hug the bottom of the boards. I've been back to playing since 1.8 came out and for some reason don't see this trend of Scouts at the top of leaderboards each match, which for about 7 months before 1.8 was dominated by AR Assault Cals and Logi Assaults. Instead I see a mix of heavies, tank users, scouts, true logis, even Assaults. I ask you this, why all the QQ about Scouts and Cloaks? I have seen other classes use cloaks and no one is complaining about that. They use them the same way after all. You want shields to drop to zero when cloaked? Why, does it save you the one bullet it takes to drop my shields? lol gtfo. As the crippled Scouts heard soo many times, HTFU and Adapt or Die! Scouts have the best HP recovery and speed in the game, even before cloaks this resulted in getting easy kills with the shotgun and the low framerate was an added benefit to staying alive. Now with cloaks, high SG damage (no removal of Uprising damage buff), and higher fitting space, Scouts easily qualify as FoTM now that they will always be able to get 2HK a player or get near objectives easily (unless PRO scanner). Without SG, the cloak and speed mods still gives them a huge advantage over players who have neither as they'll get the first shot (around 250+ HP damage vs good player before counter). Uprising 1.8 - Invisible War
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 148	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:06:00 - [33] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Dude, let's talk scout to scout here... Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool. But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics. there is nothing wrong with shotugun cloak combo, nothing wrong with the cloak either, the shotgun was and is horribly broken even before cloaks so all i hear is whinning, nerf nerf nerf invest sp and isk into scanning skills and modules u WILL see them Re-read what I posted. I'm AGAINST any sort of SG nerf. Shotguns are fine, and even suffer from Hit Detection problems that have existed for a LONG time now. It's the fact we can kill someone before the uncloaking animation finishes (in other words, kill while still cloaked) that the problem exists. Seriously, leave the SG alone and increase the uncloak firing delay. I have reason to believe that anyone who disagrees with that is a FOTM scout who was couldn't cut it as a scout before the cloak was introduced.
DJINN Loki 137	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:07:00 - [34] - Quote i have my own thoughts on how to make the cloak more challenging to use. here are some of the ideas. 1) when you activate the cloak, the world around you goes blurry 2) you lose the ability to distinguish friend from foe. in other words, you cant tell who is a blue, green or red chevron 3) you lose your HUD and your dropsuit scan turns off. this goes with suggestion 2. 4) if the cloak shield takes any kind of damage, the cloak is deactivated 5) once the cloak shield is turned off, you will appear on enemy radar, but just a split second and even then, you don't appear as a full red dot, but as a transparent red dot. this would mean all players would have to be very mindful of there radar, if they aren't already. these are just some ideas i have to make it more of a challenge to use the cloak and i would love to see some, if not all ideas used. any thoughts from the community? word
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 437	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:09:00 - [35] - Quote AND THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS! NERF NERF NERF CRY CRY CRY NERF NERF NERF
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1157	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:13:00 - [36] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. Amusing idea, but as others have pointed out, way unfair to anyone who is a shield tanker, vs those gallente scum who usually have 70 shields, and a kabillion armor fitted. How about this: Cloak activates: uses SHIELD AS STAMINA. The more shields you have, the longer time you have in cloak. But you lose 5 shield for every second in cloak. and when you run out of shield... no more cloak. (and note that this also gives penalty when you get hit. getting hit == losing shields == losing cloak time) Somewhat compensatory: no more "50% min power" requirement. You can activate it whenever you like, so long as you have shield strength.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 149	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:18:00 - [37] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: AND THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS! NERF NERF NERF CRY CRY CRY NERF NERF NERF You're crying more than anyone else in this thread. Stop it.
Nomed Deeps 314	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:18:00 - [38] - Quote I just want the extra equipment slot Scouts received in 1.8 taken away. It had to be a scout player who suggested this as that change makes no sense. You didn't see logis get an extra equipment slot when scanners came out. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1303	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:19:00 - [39] - Quote DJINN Loki wrote: i have my own thoughts on how to make the cloak more challenging to use. here are some of the ideas. 1) when you activate the cloak, the world around you goes blurry 2) you lose the ability to distinguish friend from foe. in other words, you cant tell who is a blue, green or red chevron 3) you lose your HUD and your dropsuit scan turns off. this goes with suggestion 2. 4) if the cloak shield takes any kind of damage, the cloak is deactivated 5) once the cloak shield is turned off, you will appear on enemy radar, but just a split second and even then, you don't appear as a full red dot, but as a transparent red dot. this would mean all players would have to be very mindful of there radar, if they aren't already. these are just some ideas i have to make it more of a challenge to use the cloak and i would love to see some, if not all ideas used. any thoughts from the community? 1. Unnecessary 2.. Promotes friendly fire 3. Damaged whole point of cloak-flanking 4. Fluxes should disable cloak, not random spraying 5. kills cloak completely. Would have no point anymore If any changed are made the only changes should be fluxes disable cloak for 10-15 seconds and .5 second delay before shooting after decloak.
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1303	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:20:00 - [40] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. Amusing idea, but as others have pointed out, way unfair to anyone who is a shield tanker, vs those gallente scum who usually have 70 shields, and a kabillion armor fitted. How about this: Cloak activates: uses SHIELD AS STAMINA. The more shields you have, the longer time you have in cloak. But you lose 5 shield for every second in cloak. and when you run out of shield... no more cloak. (and note that this also gives penalty when you get hit. getting hit == losing shields == losing cloak time) Somewhat compensatory: no more "50% min power" requirement. You can activate it whenever you like, so long as you have shield strength. That would still be biased toward shield tankers and promote HP tanking

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 398	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:22:00 - [41] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool Don't be the Takahiro of Scouts. There is some issues with cloaking that need minor adjustments, it is already clear, denying it only polarizes people's position. My view: the primary problem is shooting while cloaked. I'd also like flux ' s to affect cloaks and bullet strikes to cause an energy glow. I'd be fine with just those small changes. Because, that's why.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 884	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:44:00 - [42] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool not even close to a good post *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:47:00 - [43] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. LOL No. Let's increase that gap between the Gallente scout and every other scout some more shall we? This would hurt shield tanked scouts far too much.
Princess Fluffypuff Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:48:00 - [44] - Quote The Cloak is not Op in any way, theres no doubt about it. I wish the Cloak worked as in Planetside2, its so good in that Game. DMR + Cloak is an awesome Combination in PS2, cant wait to see it in Dust.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1913	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:53:00 - [45] - Quote I think this topic should be locked for flaming, on the sole principle that alldin kan created the thread. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 714	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:08:00 - [46] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. Agreed 2. No, instead taking weapons fire should cause the cloak to deplete faster rate 3. Again no since this hurts non-cloak and non-scout shotgun users, there should be a slight delay(2-5 sec) after the user FULLY decloaks before firing. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:15:00 - [47] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. Agreed 2. No, instead taking weapons fire should cause the cloak to deplete faster rate 3. Again no since this hurts non-cloak and non-scout shotgun users, there should be a slight delay(2-5 sec) after the user FULLY decloaks before firing. +1 I really like the deplete faster idea. Though flux should always interfere I think. The Scrambler Rifle is dead, long live the Scrambler Rifle!
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1903	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:15:00 - [48] - Quote Cloak is not the Tank. Cloak is not what Nyain San spams. Cloak is easily spotted, easily countered, and is no where near a win-button. All things considered, CCP did a pretty good job guestimating balance in its introduction. That said, Cloak isn't perfect and it could be tweaked. A few suggestions (some mine, some borrowed): * Firing while decloaking (partially visible) should be a priority fix. * Taking damage while cloaked could induce shimmer (but not break cloak) * Getting fluxed while cloak could break cloak and/or drain cloak meter * Cloak meter could be reduced to lessen duration (more tactical, less always-on). * Cloak could recharge more slowly at lower tiers (encourage adv / proto use). * Cloak's Profile Reduction could be lessened or removed (encourage damps, discourage plates). * Active Scanner Precision / Recharge could be adjusted (encourage damps, discourage plates). There are lots of other ideas in IWS's thread on the subject. Some good, some bad.
Toby Flenderson research lab 436	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:31:00 - [49] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool This. The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first?
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 885	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:36:00 - [50] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool This. The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first? Does it make sense to totally change you suit just to try and see 1 person (class) on radar? (a good cloaker can avoid all detection) The only thing I think needs fixing is that when a cloaked person receives weapons fire, the shimmer needs to become more obvious for a slightly longer amount of time, in the neighborhood of high shimmer for .75 seconds after last weapons fire. A proto Flux grenade should totally deplete all cloaks. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari

Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1907	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:50:00 - [51] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first? What happened here was ... A Scout snuck up behind Alldin's full-proto stompsquad and managed to take away his officer weapon. He went 10/1 instead of 10/0, so cloaks and shotguns need to be nerfed.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1920	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:50:00 - [52] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. Agreed 2. No, instead taking weapons fire should cause the cloak to deplete faster rate 3. Again no since this hurts non-cloak and non-scout shotgun users, there should be a slight delay(2-5 sec) after the user FULLY decloaks before firing. #1: The point of the 75% (at level 5) reduction is so that a Scout can reliably fit a cloak with more ease than a logistics suit. Right now, ignoring the fact that logistics are still getting a 25% reduction to it that they aren't supposed to, A logi with higher base fitting alotment needs fewer PG/CPU extenders to allow the use of a cloak than compared to a scout without the fitting bonus. This "argument" favors slayer-logis that want their suit to be the best in the game regardless of anything else. Something to point out: Alldin is complaining that investing SP into your suits to unlock higher tiered items, makes that suit over powered, because you don't have to fit prototype equipment on it if you don't want it to. Seriously. Do you see people complaining because of something like "Assaults are OP. I could fit an Allotek Nanohive on my suit, but when I use a Compact Nanohive IT MAKES FITTING PROTO SO EASY." #2: This favors spray and pray mechanics that leave people with SMGs to just shoot at the area around them in hopes finding that shield flare. This argument mostly comes about from the loss of you 360-¦ scans that you can reactivate before the scan duration had worn off. You want to be able to see someone, and see them on your radar, because that isn't something you had to worry about before. Someone said the cloaked shotgun scouts were"bads" that were relying on it and it was the only way they could have improved... where it's a whole lot more all the "bads" out there that were hyper-reliant on their omni-visionand finally getting shot at from behind and effectively flanked. At the same time, the discrepancy between Profile Dampeners (-25% at complex) and Precision Enhancers (-20% at complex) are starting to show more and more as people want to try and use them to counter dampened/cloaked suits. #3: The Chromosome shotgun had a far better range,base speed for scouts was higher, hit detection was terrible. Unless you add in the Sharpshooter V effect from last build to the shotgun's innate stats, honestly it is under-performing. The damage from STD to PRO is not significant enough to change the number of shots to kill someone. The change from 3% faster RoF per level to +3% damage to shields per level for shotgun proficiency was a pretty significant nerf. The increased damage to shields is not enough to change the number of shots to take out a suit, but it did slow things down for anyone that had invested heavily into Shotgun Proficiency. IMO, the decloak animation just needs to be removed. When you turn it off or switch weapons,the cloak just needs to instantly drop rather than the animation it currently goes through. This would effectively appear as the same as a weapon use delay, but with less change to gameplay. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 878	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:01:00 - [53] - Quote Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Dude, let's talk scout to scout here... Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool. But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics. The only reason a SG can OHK is because mst are running around in cheap crap fits. A well fitted std med suit takes a least two shots heavies up o 5 shots. The cloak makes the SG viable for the first time since chromosome. And I still see way more HMG, Rifle and even Sniper kills than SG kills. Even with the cloak it is not that hard to see scouts and while they are cloaked you get roughly 1 sec of free damage before the scout can shoot back. Anyone that is not able to get the drop on a scout and kill him in that time is just bad...
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1158	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:08:00 - [54] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: How about this: Cloak activates: uses SHIELD AS STAMINA.r The more shields you have, the longer time you have in cloak. But you lose 5 shield for every second in cloak. ... That would still be biased toward shield tankers and promote HP tanking Err, what? What exactly are you complaining about? One of the main issues was about highly tanked, cloaked suits. When they use the cloak in this way, they LOSE TANK. So your complaint doesnt make sense. Contrariwise, if they keep their 'tank', then they're not using cloak, so again, nothing for you to complain about relating to cloaks.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1159	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:13:00 - [55] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Even with the cloak it is not that hard to see scouts and while they are cloaked you get roughly 1 sec of free damage before the scout can shoot back. not true. I was going head to head with a cloaked scout. While I was taking my time lining up a good shot against the "cant shoot back" cloaked scout, he shot and killed me with SG while staying invisible the whole time. They need to fix that. (and this was after the perma-cloak-after-hack bug was patched)
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 965	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:14:00 - [56] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). Lol! I think it's fine as is. Wouldn't mind if that HMG went back to 20-30m optimal range while we complaining about weapons that one shot...
Her Nibs Pradox One Proficiency V. 110	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:33:00 - [57] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Not whining. If the roles were reversed your comment would never appear here...you would be in the whiner section. I cloak and blow up coward tankers who sit on hills. It's not nice...and the cloak can be used by anyone. I wear Amarr suits so pg and cpu is not an issue, even with proto flux and swarm. Everyone get a cloak....Nobody will see anybody. We'll just shoot hoping to hit something that may or may not be there. Shoot me or run me over, it becomes personnal.
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 121	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:53:00 - [58] - Quote Needs a cool down, no mater how long it was in use. And some kind of detection when you are hitting them. I say it should drop when you take damage period because you shield is doing something. He'll even predators suit shimmered when he took damage. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 809	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:03:00 - [59] - Quote I seriously don't understand the complaining about the decloak delay and shotguns. You would have died anyway, no amount of "delay" will make it any less effective at point blank range. If a shotgun is one shotting you, even without a cloak you are too late. A delay won't change that situation.....AT ALL. I understand the situation where people start shooting a cloaked scout and the cloaked scout starts shooting back, but seriously why do they need a delay to shoot? You already have a second advantage in shooting them. A large delay will only cause people to not use the cloak. People are just wanting an "I win button" if they find a cloaked scout. Its not hard to find/see/shoot cloaked dudes. Chances are if you are shooting a cloaked scout then they could have already killed you. If you remove the bonus to damp then you ruin all the balance within scouts. A scout needs that bonus to remain hidden from cal scout scans. Right now scouts counter scouts with a little bit of scanning counters as well. You can't counter scouts anymore with a brick tank, damage mods and ballerina scans. You have to use your ears and eyes for a change. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4029	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:10:00 - [60] - Quote Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. I can get behind this. Where before you couldn't fit jack on a scout suit, I can now fit anything and everything I want without any problems. 2. I couldn't care less about this one. Do it or don't. Makes no difference to me. 3. No. Just no. Nobody cried about the shotgun (which retains the EXACT SAME killing potential it had before) until the cloak came along. Stop blaming SGs for the faults of the cloak. Add the firing delay everyone wants (and that should've already been implemented) instead. Obviously nobody here runs a Minmatar Scout. NO NO NO NO NO to number 1. I can barely fit my suit the way it is, and I have my passives MAXED. Other scouts can fit whatever the hell they want, but I'm starved for PG already. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V

mollerz 3168	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:24:00 - [61] - Quote this is like the ultimate nerf fantasy thread. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 43	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:29:00 - [62] - Quote Gallente combat paradigm calls for closing fast and hitting hard. This strategy agrees with the CanOn. I play scout almost all the time. We have our advantages and disadvantages. OP material is that which any player can pick up and use. Those of us that skill (SP and real learning) into these strategies disagree that it is OP, it is situational. Boost your squad's points by 40%, learn to use the Squad Wheel! I provide training: 1M isk: 90 Minutes of Basic Command
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1160	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:35:00 - [63] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: If you remove the bonus to damp then you ruin all the balance within scouts. A scout needs that bonus to remain hidden from cal scout scans. ... I find that post disingeuous at best, and hypocritical at worst. You seem to be implying, "oh, it's terrible to give caldari scout a benefit over other scouts", but you have no problem, I presume, with gallente scout having a stealth bonus over other scouts? Yeahhh.. no. Get rid of profile damping in cloaks . So then both gallente, AND caldari, will have their niches. (and logis can quit pretending to be scouts)
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 75	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:43:00 - [64] - Quote Use your eyes and learn how to play, and don't constantly put the blame on statistics and mechanics... If you whine so much then you suck at gameplay. You can detect 80 % of the scouts just by using your eyes and watching out.. seriously. There are these things called tactics and modules too btw.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 156	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:48:00 - [65] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). 1. I can get behind this. Where before you couldn't fit jack on a scout suit, I can now fit anything and everything I want without any problems. 2. I couldn't care less about this one. Do it or don't. Makes no difference to me. 3. No. Just no. Nobody cried about the shotgun (which retains the EXACT SAME killing potential it had before) until the cloak came along. Stop blaming SGs for the faults of the cloak. Add the firing delay everyone wants (and that should've already been implemented) instead. Obviously nobody here runs a Minmatar Scout. NO NO NO NO NO to number 1. I can barely fit my suit the way it is, and I have my passives MAXED. Other scouts can fit whatever the hell they want, but I'm starved for PG already. Then increase Minnie Scout PG while decreasing the scout cloak fitting bonus (although, as was pointed out earlier, this would hurt new players the most. With that said, I'm not sure anymore). I won't lie, I forgot about the Min Scout PG deficiency. Sorry.
Onesimus Tarsus GamersForChrist 1780	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:48:00 - [66] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. LOL No. Let's increase that gap between the Gallente scout and every other scout some more shall we? You're right. Armor goes to 0 as well. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 698	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:49:00 - [67] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. I like this idea a lot. VonSpliff wrote: Needs a cool down, no mater how long it was in use. And some kind of detection when you are hitting them. I say it should drop when you take damage period because you shield is doing something. He'll even predators suit shimmered when he took damage. Perhaps if you hit someone while they're cloaked they blip on the radar for a short time. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
DISGRUNTLEDev 341	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:10:00 - [68] - Quote You know what? F it, just take the cloak. I don't need it as a scout to curb stomp people, flanking people is plenty for me. Do I like the cloak? Sure, I die from snipers less. This is the only real benefit I, as a life long scout, have gained. Oh, and I make it up ladders a little more often.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 210	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:18:00 - [69] - Quote L2p
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 109	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:31:00 - [70] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always Dude, let's talk scout to scout here... Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool. But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics. there is nothing wrong with shotugun cloak combo, nothing wrong with the cloak either, the shotgun was and is horribly broken even before cloaks so all i hear is whinning, nerf nerf nerf invest sp and isk into scanning skills and modules u WILL see them Maxed electronics skills and cal scout 5 here. You don't see them, not the gallente ones anyway.

Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 109	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:34:00 - [71] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: You know what? F it, just take the cloak. I don't need it as a scout to curb stomp people, flanking people is plenty for me. Do I like the cloak? Sure, I die from snipers less. This is the only real benefit I, as a life long scout, have gained. Oh, and I make it up ladders a little more often. +1 just get rid of the damn thing before they nerf us again.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 210	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:40:00 - [72] - Quote Revelations 514 wrote: You guys are friggen crazy. SG is OP huh? You mean a short range weapon excels at short range? At least your pretty little AR has a chance to kill a SG User up close, albeit a small one. How much chance does a SG User have at killing an AR User from range? That's easy, 0%, none. Let's see, cloaks are OP huh? Don't worry, just wait until the racial variants come out and you will see they are not. Or how about, cloaks aren't OP, it's just your ability of perception is UP, buff perception radius. Wait, I got it, see Heavies are supposed to stay guarding objectives and destroy vehicles, Assault is supposed to run in packs and equip scanners. See you just aren't playing your class right. No wait, I was wrong, it was the fact you came into contact with a really good cloak user, you can't judge all cloak users because you probably came up against one of the elite ones. No wait, you used the wrong tactics, you aren't supposed to run TOWARD SG users, but back away from. I understand that since everyone was forced to pick up an AR/SCR to be competitive the last few months you probably just forgot what tactics to use against SG's. Funny how everyone cries about the Scouts now that they don't hug the bottom of the boards. I've been back to playing since 1.8 came out and for some reason don't see this trend of Scouts at the top of leaderboards each match, which for about 7 months before 1.8 was dominated by AR Assault Cals and Logi Assaults. Instead I see a mix of heavies, tank users, scouts, true logis, even Assaults. I ask you this, why all the QQ about Scouts and Cloaks? I have seen other classes use cloaks and no one is complaining about that. They use them the same way after all. You want shields to drop to zero when cloaked? Why, does it save you the one bullet it takes to drop my shields? lol gtfo. As the crippled Scouts heard soo many times, HTFU and Adapt or Die! +1 The truth^
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:05:00 - [73] - Quote wow, someone asking to nerf the shotgun. hilarious
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4604	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:09:00 - [74] - Quote All you need to do is make a delay before you can start firing after uncloaked. Real scouts will have no issue with that, and they'll be less cheap. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 318	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:17:00 - [75] - Quote Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: I'd love to see some changes/fixes to cloaks right now, but I think the bads are too happy that they can actually make kills with shotguns now. Whatsamatter? Did someone shotgun your tanked Cal boundless CR cloaked proto scout?
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 285	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:25:00 - [76] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool All this does is allow you to turn around and see the person who kills you, since the vast majority of problem scouts are the ones that you can see, who also happen to have like 500+ ehp and take so long to kill that you don't stand a chance unless the shotgun scout has a poor shot. Is this debate serious? Considering what scouts have been through in the past year are you people actually serious? Just remove the decloaking animation altogether. Let fluxes disable cloaks. Make brick tanking impossible with a cloak. You can't just say that if a cloaked scout is hit with a single bullet the cloak wears out. A more balanced suggestion is that if you deplete the shields of a cloaked scout the cloak wears off. Otherwise heavies with hmgs could just spray and pray one of their disparate bullets hits. Additionally, this would give caldari and min star scouts an implicit advantage over less shield tanked suits
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1010	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:27:00 - [77] - Quote Cloaks should only make you disappear from passive and active scanning, not make you disappear entirely. That's my solution. I'm sure the scouts won't like it though.
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 285	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:33:00 - [78] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: Use your eyes and learn how to play, and don't constantly put the blame on statistics and mechanics... If you whine so much then you suck at gameplay. You can detect 80 % of the scouts just by using your eyes and watching out.. seriously. There are these things called tactics and modules too btw. Honestly, good scouts don't abuse the cloak and poor scouts are plain as day up to 100 meters because they think they're invisible, they abuse the cloak and they don't know how to manage their cloak stamina. Seriously. I don't know a single scout who will stay with this game if after one year of futility, we get buffs for a single update and then were nerfed again. I certainly won't stay. I've been terrorized by enough brick tanked damage mod buffed gallente logis with crs, rrs,ars, and scrs that we deserve this parity.
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 285	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:39:00 - [79] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. LOL No. Let's increase that gap between the Gallente scout and every other scout some more shall we? You're right. Armor goes to 0 as well. U know what? Go ahead. I run with only 249 eHP, it's not like I'll be missing anything. I'll still get blipped by heavies before the shooting animation even starts
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2660	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:44:00 - [80] - Quote The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. The Pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 90.31% Complete

Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4607	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:56:00 - [81] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. That's only because they believe scouts are broken, rather than doing actual research. If they could think for themselves, they would easily counter cloaked scouts with HMG-wielding amarr sentinels. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1925	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:59:00 - [82] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. @ Onesimus This is terrible idea. It would put Min and Cal Scout at significant disadvantage, while simultaneously encouraging brick tanking over biotics and eWar among Gal and Amarr.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 159	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:08:00 - [83] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If they could think for themselves, they would easily counter cloaked scouts with HMG-wielding amarr sentinels. VERY off topic, but... Your sig gives me extremely uncomfortable flashbacks of the hallucinogenic kind... I don't like it.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1539	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:09:00 - [84] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: leave my cloak CRUTCH alone WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fixed Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1539	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:13:00 - [85] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. @ Onesimus This is terrible idea. It would put Min and Cal Scout at significant disadvantage, while simultaneously encouraging brick tanking over biotics and eWar among Gal and Amarr. looks at breach forge gun hmmmm remains in one spot when charging hmmmm after dropping cloak remains in one spot for a second or three? Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Yan Darn Science For Death 496	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:17:00 - [86] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: You know what? F it, just take the cloak. I don't need it as a scout to curb stomp people, flanking people is plenty for me. Do I like the cloak? Sure, I die from snipers less. This is the only real benefit I, as a life long scout, have gained. Oh, and I make it up ladders a little more often. +1 just get rid of the damn thing before they nerf us again. Exactly how I've been feeling. There was some discussion about it at The old Scout Reg. The Ghost of Bravo
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1540	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:24:00 - [87] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. 90 %? for kicks I ran a minmatar scout basic shotgun basic cloak in an Ambush match run the cloak and the remaning 15 blue berries are ? scout shotgun cloak ! and the 16 red berries ?? scout shotgun cloak !!!!!! finished the Ambush match and began replaying Fallout 3 just about done with harrypotter villa checks to see if Playstation 4 is in stock Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Toby Flenderson research lab 437	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:34:00 - [88] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool This. The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first? Does it make sense to totally change you suit just to try and see 1 person (class) on radar? (a good cloaker can avoid all detection) The only thing I think needs fixing is that when a cloaked person receives weapons fire, the shimmer needs to become more obvious for a slightly longer amount of time, in the neighborhood of high shimmer for .75 seconds after last weapons fire. A proto Flux grenade should totally deplete all cloaks. Yeah it does make sense. If you want to nullify an entire fitting, skills and all , you should have to do more than slap on a basic scanner. If you don't want to work as hard, get a suit that specializes in he task like the scout or logi. Scouts should ultimately be completely invisible if they max out the fitting for dampening, unless being passively scanned by a fellow scout. People were all complaining that no one used the scout suit like a radar beacon and now that heir role role is solidified, people are unhappy that they need a scout suit to see other scouts. I agree with the flux grenade suggestion but a lot of the nerfs suggested above were way too harsh and clearly biased against scouts. I'm not sure about the shimmer, the only time I have an issue with finishing them once I see them is if they're far away. In this case, I don't think they should be lot up like a Christmas tree.
Cotsy8 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 217	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:40:00 - [89] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). In all honesty you are a top 3-5 player in the game. You opinion should carry weight, but there is 0 problem with SG Scouts, the problem is with the cloak. If you want to have players uncloaked by damage or flux nade, or maybe even future equipment, i understand that perspective. But i feel removing cloaks would nearly balance the classes (outside of assaults). I said nearly because there are a few tweaks to a few suits, but as far as classes go, the removal of the cloak would place Logi, scouts, heavies (both) in the same range of strength. If assaults were "fixed" we could really see parity between the classes. It won't happen, too many elite players jumped off the slayer Logi bandwagon and onto the scout slayer + cloak. They can deny deny deny all they want but if cloaks were removed their would be a balance and skill would rise above SP. Which again, is a problem to the elite community who greatly value their advantages.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 266	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:42:00 - [90] - Quote yes because shotgunning a hevaier is eaiser than it looks. especailly when thier stacked with ehp that gives them time to turn aroun and hmg a sout fittined for sprinting and proflie reduction *Elite Gallenten Soldier*

Eric Del Carlo Inner.Hell 101	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:47:00 - [91] - Quote The amount of horrendous and short sighted suggestions to "fix" cloaks is just ludicrous. Seriously, my eyes were about to bleed from reading all this. You know what, I don't even care anymore, take away my cloak, I don't give a **. Scouts with cloaks were never that hard to see to begin with. What's wrong with simply adding a small delay from switching to weapons after decloaking? Why go as far as suggest to reduce shields to 0 when you're cloaked. It's obvious that pretty much everyone who has no situational awareness or are blind want the cloak nerfed to oblivion. Just remove the cloak, I can't take all this QQ about cloaks anymore... GÖà One of the original scout bastards GÖà**
mollerz 3181	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:49:00 - [92] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: ...SNIP!... the elite community who greatly value their advantages. You mean the SP it took us over a year to earn? Being highly skilled is no reason for nerfing. don't worry, one day you'll be where we were. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
fragmentedhackslash Krusual Covert Operators 238	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:51:00 - [93] - Quote So here is Alldin, Cyrius, and Bormir1r, all hugely respected and knowledgable players that are all basically stating the same thing. These Mercs deservedly create scard reds in any and all matches they play, in any suit, with any weapon or tactics they employ, they make it work, when these guys say it works way too easily and seasond vets such as OP don't agree with the mechanics of how easy it is to destroy anything they encounter due to these mechanics, I would suggest not only is OP blue tagged, but CCP, Development, and CPM take onboard what has been said above. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
ghtyui fdaqq Kinsho Swords Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:53:00 - [94] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool Your obviously an idiot...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4787	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:54:00 - [95] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). No. CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 157	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:56:00 - [96] - Quote You hear people saying this all the time, but seriously, run precision enhancers. putting two on at proto level will let you see everyone without dampeners on. I'm a logi now! :D
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1934	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:21:00 - [97] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: ::Snip :: Riddle me this, Cotsy: Where were the concerns of our L33T hero types when ARs outperformed all else by leaps and bounds? Where was their righteous indignation when Scouts and Heavies were nigh useless and extinct? CCP made it clear that they didn't have time to tweak MedFrames for 1.8. When Assaults are tweaked in 1.9, the "Slayers" L33T will likely get their EZ Mode back. Scouts and Heavies waited a god-d*mn year to be competitive. Can the MedFrames make it a month?
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1310	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:21:00 - [98] - Quote ghtyui fdaqq wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool Your obviously an idiot... No you
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1934	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:24:00 - [99] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: So here is Alldin, Cyrius, and Bormir1r, all hugely respected and knowledgable players that are all basically stating the same thing. These Mercs deservedly create scard reds in any and all matches they play, in any suit, with any weapon or tactics they employ, they make it work, when these guys say it works way too easily and seasond vets such as OP don't agree with the mechanics of how easy it is to destroy anything they encounter due to these mechanics, I would suggest not only is OP blue tagged, but CCP, Development, and CPM take onboard what has been said above. LOL. If you'd have been around here longer, you'd realize ... Old man Alldin has lost his crutch, and he's come here to try to get it back. Moody and Borimir are a different matter altogether :-) These two trained hard for a year in an neutered suit; a suit which has just been given its balls back.
Cogadh Draco WarRavens League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:26:00 - [100] - Quote Cloak could do with some... Tweaking, like fixing the 1-2 second dmage delay glitch on cloakers, and maybe add some sort of de-cloaking effect upon damaging a cloaking. Obviously a bullet shouldn't decloak a cloaker, but a flux grenade or a good amount of damage dealt to a cloaker should bring 'em out and initiate a cooldown. Otherwise just spec into dropsuit scan range and dropsuit scan precision to detect cloakers a little easier. Mods for scan enhancers is a waste to me.

Cotsy8 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 221	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:37:00 - [101] - Quote mollerz wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: ...SNIP!... the elite community who greatly value their advantages. You mean the SP it took us over a year to earn? Being highly skilled is no reason for nerfing. don't worry, one day you'll be where we were. By skill, i know you mean the free skill CCP provides you by signing up before most, or using boosters on a free game, or using that cloak you constantly defend without justification. And by earned, you mean collected passive SP right? I think if you signed up at the start of open beta you should be close to 15m mark, so earned, hardly. The SP that provides you with the advantage you need to be competitive, ya that one, the advantage given by CCP which is why you don"t play CoD or BF. From my estimates the SP caps around 26m SP if you are infantry. After 26m SP it seems SP isn't worth much, you should have all core skills, have 2 weapons fully skilled, and could have 2 Proto suits. It doesn't seem like there's much after 26m SP unless you begin to skilling into ADS or Tanks.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:40:00 - [102] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: All you need to do is make a delay before you can start firing after uncloaked. Real scouts will have no issue with that, and they'll be less cheap. This is dumb sneak up on someone and let them shoot you.What stupid person would use something that puts you in front of the enemy and give him first shoot.Your lack of awareness Dosen't make cloak cheap asking for nerf because you suck is cheap.
Cotsy8 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 221	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:43:00 - [103] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: So here is Alldin, Cyrius, and Bormir1r, all hugely respected and knowledgable players that are all basically stating the same thing. These Mercs deservedly create scard reds in any and all matches they play, in any suit, with any weapon or tactics they employ, they make it work, when these guys say it works way too easily and seasond vets such as OP don't agree with the mechanics of how easy it is to destroy anything they encounter due to these mechanics, I would suggest not only is OP blue tagged, but CCP, Development, and CPM take onboard what has been said above. LOL. If you'd have been around here longer, you'd realize ... Old man Alldin has lost his crutch, and he's come here to try to get it back. Moody and Borimir are a different matter altogether :-) They trained for a year straight in a joke of a neutered suit ... A suit which has just been given its balls back. Aladin still dominates. And as for Bormir, i messaged him and he seemed to have no clue that his SG + cloak was broken. I had to explain the SG + cloak "glitch", not sure if he didn't know but he didn't seem too. Let's put everything into a little perspective having 30-35m SP is going to give you a greater advantage in combination with their skill, running in elite squads are going to further that advantage. Both are great players but both are great examples of scouts not needing cloaks, scouts got a significant boost in 1.8 (not including cloaks) and both would be dominating the same way because of their skill. Cloaks are just letting the mediocre players match their scores with no where near their skill level.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:44:00 - [104] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. 90 %? for kicks I ran a minmatar scout basic shotgun basic cloak in an Ambush match run the cloak and the remaning 15 blue berries are ? scout shotgun cloak ! and the 16 red berries ?? scout shotgun cloak !!!!!! finished the Ambush match and began replaying Fallout 3 just about done with harrypotter villa checks to see if Playstation 4 is in stock Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:48:00 - [105] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Scout Registry wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: So here is Alldin, Cyrius, and Bormir1r, all hugely respected and knowledgable players that are all basically stating the same thing. These Mercs deservedly create scard reds in any and all matches they play, in any suit, with any weapon or tactics they employ, they make it work, when these guys say it works way too easily and seasond vets such as OP don't agree with the mechanics of how easy it is to destroy anything they encounter due to these mechanics, I would suggest not only is OP blue tagged, but CCP, Development, and CPM take onboard what has been said above. LOL. If you'd have been around here longer, you'd realize ... Old man Alldin has lost his crutch, and he's come here to try to get it back. Moody and Borimir are a different matter altogether :-) They trained for a year straight in a joke of a neutered suit ... A suit which has just been given its balls back. Aladin still dominates. And as for Bormir, i messaged him and he seemed to have no clue that his SG + cloak was broken. I had to explain the SG + cloak "glitch", not sure if he didn't know but he didn't seem too. Let's put everything into a little perspective having 30-35m SP is going to give you a greater advantage in combination with their skill, running in elite squads are going to further that advantage. Both are great players but both are great examples of scouts not needing cloaks, scouts got a significant boost in 1.8 (not including cloaks) and both would be dominating the same way because of their skill. Cloaks are just letting the mediocre players match their scores with no where near their skill level. Another example of who and what? Cloak only allow a mediocre player to survive longer.You inability to pay attention to thing around you get you killed.Then again your QQ about getting killed in shotgun range by a shotgun. Try all you want but cloak only make you slightly invisible nothing else. L2p
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4789	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:55:00 - [106] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles. TRUE. And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 218	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:59:00 - [107] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles. TRUE. And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar.... Please teach them to pay attention
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 321	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:10:00 - [108] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: -Shotgun and cloak is OP and ridiculous. No 2 ways about it. -Fluxes should disable cloak for a short period not random bulletspray. -Keep the animation the same but don't allow fire until fully visible The stamina nature of cloaking is fine. You can see a cloaked scout plain as day as he runs around. The muzzle flashes from most weapons is what makes cloaked enemies hard to hit as you lose them in the strobe. Cloak activates, shields go to 0. Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay. LOL No. Let's increase that gap between the Gallente scout and every other scout some more shall we? You're right. Armor goes to 0 as well. How about if we just make it so that when someone activates a cloak they just die? Seriously..... you people...
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion League of Infamy 723	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:12:00 - [109] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: [quote=Maximus Stryker] If you want to nullify an entire fitting, skills and all , you should have to do more than slap on a basic scanner. If you don't want to work as hard, get a suit that specializes in he task like the scout or logi. Scouts should ultimately be completely invisible if they max out the fitting for dampening, unless being passively scanned by a fellow scout. People were all complaining that no one used the scout suit like a radar beacon and now that heir role role is solidified, people are unhappy that they need a scout suit to see other scouts. Scouts need a precision enhancer just to see other undamped, uncloaked scouts. I think a lot of the QQ will be solved if cloaks didn't give the -25% damp that it does now. If you want a plate or kin cat in that low slot, accept that it will be easier to be scanned. If you want to continue to be unscannable (even from other scouts), accept that you'll have to sacrifice a low slot (or two). 1 Templar set for sale
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1940	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:18:00 - [110] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Let's put everything into a little perspective having 30-35m SP is going to give you a greater advantage in combination with their skill, running in elite squads are going to further that advantage. Both are great players but both are great examples of scouts not needing cloaks, scouts got a significant boost in 1.8 (not including cloaks) and both would be dominating the same way because of their skill. Cloaks are just letting the mediocre players match their scores with no where near their skill level. I'm with you as far as SP goes (I'm at 37.9M), but the impetus and frequency of this cloak/scout QQ is absurd. I kill lots and lots of Scouts every match. Cloak is easy-as-sht to spot. Especially up close. I still get killed alot each match; I die pretty much every time I screw up. Scouts aren't god-mode -- see 1.7 tanks -- nor are our KDRs skyrocketing. Willing to bet that Sentinel stats are looking way better than ours, and good for them. We have voiced time and again that cloak could use some tweaking. We see that Assaults are presently outclassed, but they're next in line for 1.9. To keep things in perspective, OP sported the official loadout of Nyain San for a year straight*. For that year, he defended his crutch tooth and nail. Now Alldurn's here to talk to us about balance.

X7 lion SWAMPERIUM 140	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:22:00 - [111] - Quote look you cant just nerf things like this because of balance if you do that it throws the whole system out of whack, all calculations have to be made to make balance changes and then field tested, throwing around stats with such short sightedness would break the game beyond belief. (this applys to all people who post stats not just you.) Immortality will not protect you from me. I am death incarnate, you will die.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 321	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:28:00 - [112] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe they'd be running heavies if the first dev post 10 minutes after 1.8 dropped hadn't said 'heavy nerf' Maybe they'd be running assaults if they weren't so meh Maybe they'd be running logi's. Maybe they're just having fun with scouts and cloaks because they might as well have some fun now before it all gets nerfed to **** again cos of major QQ whilst holding on to the rest of their refunded SP and waiting for the next patch so they can go back to the assault/ar514 they know and love so well.
RA Drahcir Inner.Hell 334	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:34:00 - [113] - Quote Everyone suggesting mediums to counter with e-warfare, your anal sphincters are cutting off circulation to your brains and are not thinking straight. With a base of 50dB and a range of 10 meters, it would be suicide for mediums to swap 5 modules for precision enhancers and range amplifiers to only pick up undamped/unskilled scouts.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1117	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:38:00 - [114] - Quote OP is butthurt. Cloaks are actually quite balanced. What they need to do is remove the dampening bonus cloaks give when active, and have the uptime and cooldown timers reversed. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1311	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:06:00 - [115] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles. TRUE. And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar.... So true Its funny just how many cloaked scouts I can scan
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 448	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:41:00 - [116] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: leave my cloak CRUTCH alone WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fixed hey why dont you go shut ur face, and play ur **** ass over priced ps4 and leave dust like you keep saying, all you ever post about is nerf ** nerf nerf qq this qq that just quit already this aint call of duty, mag or battlefield. we finally get new content and all i see is qq bltching and u nerf homos trying to fuk it up for people actualy having fun and enjoying the new content
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 166	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:46:00 - [117] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: leave my cloak CRUTCH alone WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fixed hey why dont you go shut ur face, and play ur **** ass over priced ps4 and leave dust like you keep saying, all you ever post about is nerf nerf nerf qq this qq that just quit already this aint call of duty, mag or battlefield. we finally get new content and all i see is qq bltching and u nerf homos trying to fuk it up for people actualy having fun and enjoying the new content Dingleburt Bangledack wrote:** You're crying more than anyone else in this thread. Stop it.
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 484	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:56:00 - [118] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles. TRUE. And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar.... So true Its funny just how many cloaked scouts I can scan They are out there for sure, but the line is profile dampening 4 for all scouts (much less for gal scouts) to be completely un scannable passively by medium frame suits no matter what skill level or however many complex enhancers worn. I agree with the removal of the dampening bonus while the cloak is active. I didn't gripe about scanners last build because I knew how powerful dampeners were and used them over plates every time, The other thing I agree with is some form of delay. I would suggest having to press r1 to deactivate before any form of swap (weapon, grenade, equipment.) this would prevent scouts from de cloaking while sprinting and add a little time before thy can fire. Right now only 4 things can ping a fully dampened (no modules) cloaked scout. 1. A fully skilled Cal scout with 1 complex enhancer. (Need 3 to pick up a Gal Scout) 2. A fully skilled Scout with 3 enhancers (cannot ping a Gal fully skilled Gal Scout) 3. Anyone with the focused scanner (cannot ping a fully skilled Gal Scout, all scouts can avoid with 1 complex dampener) 4. A fully skilled Gal Logi with a proto scanner (gal Logi needs his bonus with the focused to pick up a a Gal Scout with 1 dampener. Gal Scout can evade everything with 2 complex Dampeners) The scanners are laughable now. With the scan angles the way they are now, you have to see the scout and Aim at him before you can scan him. If you just randomly hit a scout with a focused you got lucky. 7.5 seconds with a 40 second cooldown. The combination of cloaking and the scanner nerf together with the fundimental buff to scouts is the problem. This is no different than what CCP did to vehicles last build. They swung too many things in opposite directions at once. And lay off the "use your eyes" crap. I dampened last build and know far to well how easy it is to flank someone who you can clearly see on Radar that can't see you. Only, when I did it, I had to seriously gimp my tank. Scouts do not. I have Gal Scout proto and can now build a faster, damper, higher eHP, with higher tier weapons missing only one equipment slot from the flanking Logi fits I used last build for less ISK. Oh and I can be invisible to the naked eye, which with the resolution of this game as bad as it is, works pretty well. I wasn't even going to try the cloak until CCP gave us 25 for free. Do you guys realize that with the bonus that thing uses less resources than a K17 Nanohive? YouTube
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1316	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:23:00 - [119] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Dexter307 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles. TRUE. And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar.... So true Its funny just how many cloaked scouts I can scan They are out there for sure, but the line is profile dampening 4 for all scouts (much less for gal scouts) to be completely un scannable passively by medium frame suits no matter what skill level or however many complex enhancers worn. I agree with the removal of the dampening bonus while the cloak is active. I didn't gripe about scanners last build because I knew how powerful dampeners were and used them over plates every time, The other thing I agree with is some form of delay. I would suggest having to press r1 to deactivate before any form of swap (weapon, grenade, equipment.) this would prevent scouts from de cloaking while sprinting and add a little time before thy can fire. Right now only 4 things can ping a fully dampened (no modules) cloaked scout. 1. A fully skilled Cal scout with 1 complex enhancer. (Need 3 to pick up a Gal Scout) 2. A fully skilled Scout with 3 enhancers (cannot ping a Gal fully skilled Gal Scout) 3. Anyone with the focused scanner (cannot ping a fully skilled Gal Scout, all scouts can avoid with 1 complex dampener) 4. A fully skilled Gal Logi with a proto scanner (gal Logi needs his bonus with the focused to pick up a a Gal Scout with 1 dampener. Gal Scout can evade everything with 2 complex Dampeners) The scanners are laughable now. With the scan angles the way they are now, you have to see the scout and Aim at him before you can scan him. If you just randomly hit a scout with a focused you got lucky. 7.5 seconds with a 40 second cooldown. The combination of cloaking and the scanner nerf together with the fundimental buff to scouts is the problem. This is no different than what CCP did to vehicles last build. They swung too many things in opposite directions at once. And lay off the "use your eyes" crap. I dampened last build and know far to well how easy it is to flank someone who you can clearly see on Radar that can't see you. Only, when I did it, I had to seriously gimp my tank. Scouts do not. I have Gal Scout proto and can now build a faster, damper, higher eHP, with higher tier weapons missing only one equipment slot from the flanking Logi fits I used last build for less ISK. Oh and I can be invisible to the naked eye, which with the resolution of this game as bad as it is, works pretty well. I wasn't even going to try the cloak until CCP gave us 25 for free. Do you guys realize that with the bonus that thing uses less resources than a K17 Nanohive? If your trying to passive scan with medium frames your doing it wrong. Scouts are supposed to be difficult to scan. The whole point of scouts is flanking/stealth/other sneaky things. Scouts are best at picking off people one at a time so if you stay in a group scouts cant get you. Also scouts have lower HP than any other suit so if you see them you can take them down easy.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2667	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:00:00 - [120] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. That's only because they believe scouts are broken, rather than doing actual research. If they could think for themselves, they would easily counter cloaked scouts with HMG-wielding amarr sentinels. I don't even know where to begin The Pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 90.31% Complete

ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2667	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:05:00 - [121] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe they'd be running heavies if the first dev post 10 minutes after 1.8 dropped hadn't said 'heavy nerf' Maybe they'd be running assaults if they weren't so meh Maybe they'd be running logi's. Maybe they're just having fun with scouts and cloaks because they might as well have some fun now before it all gets nerfed to **** again cos of major QQ whilst holding on to the rest of their refunded SP and waiting for the next patch so they can go back to the assault/ar514 they know and love so well. General Discussion... Shakes head and just walks away The Pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 90.31% Complete
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 207	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:15:00 - [122] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Minnie Scouts still have big fitting issues Just putting that out there So true. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 485	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:41:00 - [123] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: [quote=Dexter307] And lay off the "use your eyes" crap. I dampened last build and know far to well how easy it is to flank someone who you can clearly see on Radar that can't see you. Only, when I did it, I had to seriously gimp my tank. Scouts do not. I have Gal Scout proto and can now build a faster, damper, higher eHP, with higher tier weapons missing only one equipment slot from the flanking Logi fits I used last build for less ISK. Oh and I can be invisible to the naked eye, which with the resolution of this game as bad as it is, works pretty well. I wasn't even going to try the cloak until CCP gave us 25 for free. Do you guys realize that with the bonus that thing uses less resources than a K17 Nanohive? If your trying to passive scan with medium frames your doing it wrong. Scouts are supposed to be difficult to scan. The whole point of scouts is flanking/stealth/other sneaky things. Scouts are best at picking off people one at a time so if you stay in a group scouts cant get you. Also scouts have lower HP than any other suit so if you see them you can take them down easy. You obviously did read or understand this part well. I gladly gave up 90 to 220 HP for radar invisibility, your 50 to 70 hit points lower base more than covers this. YouTube
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2120	Posted - 2014.04.04 06:22:00 - [124] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: [quote=Maximus Stryker] If you want to nullify an entire fitting, skills and all , you should have to do more than slap on a basic scanner. If you don't want to work as hard, get a suit that specializes in he task like the scout or logi. Scouts should ultimately be completely invisible if they max out the fitting for dampening, unless being passively scanned by a fellow scout. People were all complaining that no one used the scout suit like a radar beacon and now that heir role role is solidified, people are unhappy that they need a scout suit to see other scouts. Scouts need a precision enhancer just to see other undamped, uncloaked scouts. I think a lot of the QQ will be solved if cloaks didn't give the -25% damp that it does now. If you want a plate or kin cat in that low slot, accept that it will be easier to be scanned. If you want to continue to be unscannable (even from other scouts), accept that you'll have to sacrifice a low slot (or two). This. And losing the ability to get of a shotty round before being uncloaked and we should be good. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 322	Posted - 2014.04.04 06:52:00 - [125] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe they'd be running heavies if the first dev post 10 minutes after 1.8 dropped hadn't said 'heavy nerf' Maybe they'd be running assaults if they weren't so meh Maybe they'd be running logi's. Maybe they're just having fun with scouts and cloaks because they might as well have some fun now before it all gets nerfed to **** again cos of major QQ whilst holding on to the rest of their refunded SP and waiting for the next patch so they can go back to the assault/ar514 they know and love so well. General Discussion... Shakes head and just walks away Yep, that's right, cos you got no comeback fool.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 880	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:46:00 - [126] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Even with the cloak it is not that hard to see scouts and while they are cloaked you get roughly 1 sec of free damage before the scout can shoot back. not true. I was going head to head with a cloaked scout. While I was taking my time lining up a good shot against the "cant shoot back" cloaked scout, he shot and killed me with SG while staying invisible the whole time. They need to fix that. (and this was after the perma-cloak-after-hack bug was patched) The scout stays partly cloaked while the uncloak animation happens this is roughly 1 second or half a second after the weapon switch. If you encounter a scout that can run cloaked while holding a weapon it's a (new) bug. I have heard rumor about that as well. So yes CCP need to removes all bugs related to the cloak.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1545	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:02:00 - [127] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Even with the cloak it is not that hard to see scouts and while they are cloaked you get roughly 1 sec of free damage before the scout can shoot back. not true. I was going head to head with a cloaked scout. While I was taking my time lining up a good shot against the "cant shoot back" cloaked scout, he shot and killed me with SG while staying invisible the whole time. They need to fix that. (and this was after the perma-cloak-after-hack bug was patched) The scout stays partly cloaked while the uncloak animation happens this is roughly 1 second or half a second after the weapon switch. If you encounter a scout that can run cloaked while holding a weapon it's a (new) bug. I have heard rumor about that as well. So yes CCP need to removes all bugs related to the cloak. there are three cloak bugs that let you shoot while staying cloaked all the time no I am not going to post them yes its broken just going to chill in the forums to read the QQ threads from folks abusing the glitches after the nerf hammer hits. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution 400	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:12:00 - [128] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: I'd love to see some changes/fixes to cloaks right now, but I think the bads are too happy that they can actually make kills with shotguns now. Whatsamatter? Did someone shotgun your tanked Cal boundless CR cloaked proto fotm scout? That's adorable. Looks like one of the bads got offended. FYI, I'm a Proto Assault and Logi. I have not allocated a single skill point into light frames or cloaks. I understand that you might not understand the concept of not being skilled into Scout or Heavy, but try to keep up. I have no problem being shotgunned and rest assured that I have enough ISK from PC farmville to indefinitely use prototype gear if I feel like it. However as it stands I believe the cloak needs adjusting. I am not alone in this and plenty of reasonable and constructive suggestions have been mentioned in this thread. But don't worry bro, I'm sure if you just cloak up and wait someone will eventually walk past, if you're lucky you might just be able to shotgun them in the back and then afterwards maybe crawl back to whatever hole you walked out of and get back to masturbating in shame. Also your post is sort of self-defeating. I mentioned I'd like cloaks to be fixed and you call me a fotm cloaker? GG WP. The Scrambler Rifle is dead, long live the Scrambler Rifle!
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1041	Posted - 2014.04.04 14:12:00 - [129] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: @ Cotsy To keep things in perspective: * Alldin sported the official loadout of Nyain San for an entire year. * Alldin defended his "Slayer Logi" AR-514 Advantage at every opportunity. * Alldin's EZ Mode is no more, and now he wants to talk to us about balance. Are people not seeing the double-standard here? Scouts want balance, not EZ Mode. What do you think Alldin wants? PS: Just in case it affects the algebra of the point you were trying to make, I'm at 38M SP. The last time I played as a Logi was at Chromosome, AR wasn't even my primary... Uprising 1.8 - Invisible War
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2014.04.04 17:04:00 - [130] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling... You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken? Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks. Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe they'd be running heavies if the first dev post 10 minutes after 1.8 dropped hadn't said 'heavy nerf' Maybe they'd be running assaults if they weren't so meh Maybe they'd be running logi's. Maybe they're just having fun with scouts and cloaks because they might as well have some fun now before it all gets nerfed to **** again cos of major QQ whilst holding on to the rest of their refunded SP and waiting for the next patch so they can go back to the assault/ar514 they know and love so well. General Discussion... Shakes head and just walks away Yep, that's right, cos you got no comeback fool. Well lets see 90%,how did you calculate this?Then it's broken because people use it.Sorry but its effective because the community has no battlefield awareness. If I was to fight superman you better believe I'll bring kryptonite.Does this make kryptonite broken? No its just his weakness that he has was around.Your lack of awareness, tactics and willingness to adapt makes you the fool.

Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4617	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:50:00 - [131] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: 1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge. 2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges. 3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle). In all honesty you are a top 3-5 player in the game. You opinion should carry weight, but I've seen him play, he just goes carebear and doesn't do **** unless the rest of his squad is guarding his ass. I'm from the weird side of the internet


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