there is nothing wrong with shotugun cloak combo, nothing wrong with the cloak either, the shotgun was and is horribly broken even before cloaks so all i hear is whinning, nerf nerf nerf

invest sp and isk into scanning skills and modules u WILL see them

You guys are friggen crazy.

SG is OP huh? You mean a short range weapon excels at short range? At least your pretty little AR has a chance to kill a SG User up close, albeit a small one. How much chance does a SG User have at killing an AR User from range? That's easy, 0%, none.

Let's see, cloaks are OP huh? Don't worry, just wait until the racial variants come out and you will see they are not. Or how about, cloaks aren't OP, it's just your ability of perception is UP, buff perception radius. Wait, I got it, see Heavies are supposed to stay guarding objectives and destroy vehicles, Assault is supposed to run in packs and equip scanners. See you just aren't playing your class right. No wait, I was wrong, it was the fact you came into contact with a really good cloak user, you can't judge all cloak users because you probably came up against one of the elite ones. No wait, you used the wrong tactics, you aren't supposed to run TOWARD SG users, but back away from. I understand that since everyone was forced to pick up an AR/SCR to be competitive the last few months you probably just forgot what tactics to use against SG's.

Funny how everyone cries about the Scouts now that they don't hug the bottom of the boards. I've been back to playing since 1.8 came out and for some reason don't see this trend of Scouts at the top of leaderboards each match, which for about 7 months before 1.8 was dominated by AR Assault Cals and Logi Assaults. Instead I see a mix of heavies, tank users, scouts, true logis, even Assaults.

I ask you this, why all the QQ about Scouts and Cloaks? I have seen other classes use cloaks and no one is complaining about that. They use them the same way after all. You want shields to drop to zero when cloaked? Why, does it save you the one bullet it takes to drop my shields? lol gtfo. As the crippled Scouts heard soo many times, HTFU and Adapt or Die!

there is nothing wrong with shotugun cloak combo, nothing wrong with the cloak either, the shotgun was and is horribly broken even before cloaks so all i hear is whinning, nerf nerf nerf

invest sp and isk into scanning skills and modules u WILL see them

Cloak activates, shields go to 0.

Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay.

AND THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!
NERF NERF NERF CRY CRY CRY NERF NERF NERF

i have my own thoughts on how to make the cloak more challenging to use. here are some of the ideas.

1) when you activate the cloak, the world around you goes blurry

2) you lose the ability to distinguish friend from foe. in other words, you cant tell who is a blue, green or red chevron

3) you lose your HUD and your dropsuit scan turns off. this goes with suggestion 2.

4) if the cloak shield takes any kind of damage, the cloak is deactivated

5) once the cloak shield is turned off, you will appear on enemy radar, but just a split second and even then, you don't appear as a full red dot, but as a transparent red dot. this would mean all players would have to be very mindful of there radar, if they aren't already.

these are just some ideas i have to make it more of a challenge to use the cloak and i would love to see some, if not all ideas used. any thoughts from the community?

Amusing idea, but as others have pointed out, way unfair to anyone who is a shield tanker, vs those gallente scum who usually have 70 shields, and a kabillion armor fitted.

How about this:

Cloak activates: uses SHIELD AS STAMINA.
The more shields you have, the longer time you have in cloak. But you lose 5 shield for every second in cloak.

and when you run out of shield... no more cloak.
(and note that this also gives penalty when you get hit. getting hit == losing shields == losing cloak time)



Somewhat compensatory: no more "50% min power" requirement. You can activate it whenever you like, so long as you have shield strength.

cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are

upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool

cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are

upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool

LOL

No. Let's increase that gap between the Gallente scout and every other scout some more shall we?

1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge.
2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges.
3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle).

1. Agreed
2. No, instead taking weapons fire should cause the cloak to deplete faster rate
3. Again no since this hurts non-cloak and non-scout shotgun users, there should be a slight delay(2-5 sec) after the user FULLY decloaks before firing.

cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are

upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool

This. The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first?

The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first?

1. Agreed
2. No, instead taking weapons fire should cause the cloak to deplete faster rate
3. Again no since this hurts non-cloak and non-scout shotgun users, there should be a slight delay(2-5 sec) after the user FULLY decloaks before firing.

Dude, let's talk scout to scout here...

Shotguns are not a problem, but the SG + Cloak combo is a problem. You need to realise this. 1HKOing someone before we're even uncloaked is simply not cool.

But leave the damn SG alone! Change the cloak mechanics.

That would still be biased toward shield tankers and promote HP tanking

Even with the cloak it is not that hard to see scouts and while they are cloaked you get roughly 1 sec of free damage before the scout can shoot back.

1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge.
2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges.
3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle).

bull crap u guys are just whinning again as always

1. I can get behind this. Where before you couldn't fit jack on a scout suit, I can now fit anything and everything I want without any problems.

2. I couldn't care less about this one. Do it or don't. Makes no difference to me.

3. No. Just no. Nobody cried about the shotgun (which retains the EXACT SAME killing potential it had before) until the cloak came along. Stop blaming SGs for the faults of the cloak. Add the firing delay everyone wants (and that should've already been implemented) instead.