...SNIP!... the elite community who greatly value their advantages.

cloaks and scouts are fine just as they are

upgrade your suits base scan percision and range and or try fitting scanner modules tk your suit, ewar fool

1. Change Racial bonus to 5-10% reduction of CPG/PG for cloaks, I can still fit PRO EVERYTHING on the suit since a STD cloak is enough to go on a rampage. If not this then lower duration/recharge.
2. If I shoot someone cloaked, THE CLOAK IS GONE. A 5 sec delay starts and after that the equipment slowly recharges.
3. Lower Shotgun damage to Chromosome build stats (33-35-37?), it's TOO EASY to kill other dropsuits thanks to cloaks (heavies are free kills, not even a slight struggle).

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Your obviously an idiot...

So here is Alldin, Cyrius, and Bormir1r, all hugely respected and knowledgable players that are all basically stating the same thing. These Mercs deservedly create scard reds in any and all matches they play, in any suit, with any weapon or tactics they employ, they make it work, when these guys say it works way too easily and seasond vets such as OP don't agree with the mechanics of how easy it is to destroy anything they encounter due to these mechanics, I would suggest not only is OP blue tagged, but CCP, Development, and CPM take onboard what has been said above.

You mean the SP it took us over a year to earn?

Being highly skilled is no reason for nerfing. don't worry, one day you'll be where we were.

All you need to do is make a delay before you can start firing after uncloaked.

Real scouts will have no issue with that, and they'll be less cheap.

LOL. If you'd have been around here longer, you'd realize ...
Old man Alldin has lost his crutch, and he's come here to try to get it back.

Moody and Borimir are a different matter altogether :-)

They trained for a year straight in a joke of a neutered suit ...
A suit which has just been given its balls back.

90 %?

for kicks I ran a minmatar scout basic shotgun basic cloak in an Ambush match
run the cloak and the remaning 15 blue berries are ?
scout shotgun cloak !

and the 16 red berries ??
scout shotgun cloak !!!!!!

finished the Ambush match and began replaying Fallout 3

just about done with harrypotter villa

checks to see if Playstation 4 is in stock

Aladin still dominates. And as for Bormir, i messaged him and he seemed to have no clue that his SG + cloak was broken. I had to explain the SG + cloak "glitch", not sure if he didn't know but he didn't seem too.

Let's put everything into a little perspective having 30-35m SP is going to give you a greater advantage in combination with their skill, running in elite squads are going to further that advantage.

Both are great players but both are great examples of scouts not needing cloaks, scouts got a significant boost in 1.8 (not including cloaks) and both would be dominating the same way because of their skill. Cloaks are just letting the mediocre players match their scores with no where near their skill level.

Funny because 90% matches I'm in are heavies , assaults and rail rifles.

TRUE.
And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar....

You're right. Armor goes to 0 as well.

[quote=Maximus Stryker] If you want to nullify an entire fitting, skills and all , you should have to do more than slap on a basic scanner. If you don't want to work as hard, get a suit that specializes in he task like the scout or logi.

Scouts should ultimately be completely invisible if they max out the fitting for dampening, unless being passively scanned by a fellow scout. People were all complaining that no one used the scout suit like a radar beacon and now that heir role role is solidified, people are unhappy that they need a scout suit to see other scouts.

Let's put everything into a little perspective having 30-35m SP is going to give you a greater advantage in combination with their skill, running in elite squads are going to further that advantage.

Both are great players but both are great examples of scouts not needing cloaks, scouts got a significant boost in 1.8 (not including cloaks) and both would be dominating the same way because of their skill. Cloaks are just letting the mediocre players match their scores with no where near their skill level.

The amount of stupid in this thread is appalling...


You know how I know Scouts and cloaks are broken?

Lets begin with the fact that 90% of PC A-TEAMS are composed of Scouts with cloaks.

TRUE.
And the other matches are filled with Mediocre cloaked dudes that dont even have the Profile dampening low enough to NOT show in my radar....

fixed

hey why dont you go shut ur face, and play ur ****** ass over priced ps4 and leave dust like you keep saying, all you ever post about is nerf **** nerf nerf qq this qq that just quit already this aint call of duty, mag or battlefield. we finally get new content and all i see is qq bltching and u nerf homos trying to fuk it up for people actualy having fun and enjoying the new content

You're crying more than anyone else in this thread.

Stop it.

So true
Its funny just how many cloaked scouts I can scan

They are out there for sure, but the line is profile dampening 4 for all scouts (much less for gal scouts) to be completely un scannable passively by medium frame suits no matter what skill level or however many complex enhancers worn. I agree with the removal of the dampening bonus while the cloak is active. I didn't gripe about scanners last build because I knew how powerful dampeners were and used them over plates every time,

The other thing I agree with is some form of delay. I would suggest having to press r1 to deactivate before any form of swap (weapon, grenade, equipment.) this would prevent scouts from de cloaking while sprinting and add a little time before thy can fire.

Right now only 4 things can ping a fully dampened (no modules) cloaked scout.

1. A fully skilled Cal scout with 1 complex enhancer. (Need 3 to pick up a Gal Scout)
2. A fully skilled Scout with 3 enhancers (cannot ping a Gal fully skilled Gal Scout)
3. Anyone with the focused scanner (cannot ping a fully skilled Gal Scout, all scouts can avoid with 1 complex dampener)
4. A fully skilled Gal Logi with a proto scanner (gal Logi needs his bonus with the focused to pick up a a Gal Scout with 1 dampener. Gal Scout can evade everything with 2 complex Dampeners)

The scanners are laughable now. With the scan angles the way they are now, you have to see the scout and Aim at him before you can scan him. If you just randomly hit a scout with a focused you got lucky. 7.5 seconds with a 40 second cooldown. The combination of cloaking and the scanner nerf together with the fundimental buff to scouts is the problem. This is no different than what CCP did to vehicles last build. They swung too many things in opposite directions at once.

And lay off the "use your eyes" crap. I dampened last build and know far to well how easy it is to flank someone who you can clearly see on Radar that can't see you. Only, when I did it, I had to seriously gimp my tank. Scouts do not. I have Gal Scout proto and can now build a faster, damper, higher eHP, with higher tier weapons missing only one equipment slot from the flanking Logi fits I used last build for less ISK. Oh and I can be invisible to the naked eye, which with the resolution of this game as bad as it is, works pretty well. I wasn't even going to try the cloak until CCP gave us 25 for free. Do you guys realize that with the bonus that thing uses less resources than a K17 Nanohive?

That's only because they believe scouts are broken, rather than doing actual research.

If they could think for themselves, they would easily counter cloaked scouts with HMG-wielding amarr sentinels.