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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:15:00 -
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Cloak is not the Tank.
Cloak is not what Nyain San spams.
Cloak is easily spotted, easily countered, and is no where near a win-button.
All things considered, CCP did a pretty good job guestimating balance in its introduction.
That said, Cloak isn't perfect and it could be tweaked.
A few suggestions (some mine, some borrowed):
* Firing while decloaking (partially visible) should be a priority fix.
* Taking damage while cloaked could induce shimmer (but not break cloak)
* Getting fluxed while cloak could break cloak and/or drain cloak meter
* Cloak meter could be reduced to lessen duration (more tactical, less always-on).
* Cloak could recharge more slowly at lower tiers (encourage adv / proto use).
* Cloak's Profile Reduction could be lessened or removed (encourage damps, discourage plates).
* Active Scanner Precision / Recharge could be adjusted (encourage damps, discourage plates).
There are lots of other ideas in IWS's thread on the subject. Some good, some bad.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:50:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:The suggestions in this thread are hilarious. Sacrifice a few shield extenders or run a scanner. Why do people call for nerfs without trying to use the modules designed to counter it first?
What happened here was ...
A Scout snuck up behind Alldin's full-proto stompsquad and managed to take away his officer weapon. He went 10/1 instead of 10/0, so cloaks and shotguns need to be nerfed.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:59:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
Cloak activates, shields go to 0.
Cloak de-activates, shields regenerate at normal rate after normal delay.
@ Onesimus
This is terrible idea. It would put Min and Cal Scout at significant disadvantage, while simultaneously encouraging brick tanking over biotics and eWar among Gal and Amarr.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1934
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:21:00 -
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Riddle me this, Cotsy:
Where were the concerns of our L33T hero types when ARs outperformed all else by leaps and bounds?
Where was their righteous indignation when Scouts and Heavies were nigh useless and extinct?
CCP made it clear that they didn't have time to tweak MedFrames for 1.8.
When Assaults are tweaked in 1.9, the "Slayers" L33T will likely get their EZ Mode back.
Scouts and Heavies waited a god-d*mn year to be competitive.
Can the MedFrames make it a month? |
Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1934
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:24:00 -
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fragmentedhackslash wrote:So here is Alldin, Cyrius, and Bormir1r, all hugely respected and knowledgable players that are all basically stating the same thing. These Mercs deservedly create scard reds in any and all matches they play, in any suit, with any weapon or tactics they employ, they make it work, when these guys say it works way too easily and seasond vets such as OP don't agree with the mechanics of how easy it is to destroy anything they encounter due to these mechanics, I would suggest not only is OP blue tagged, but CCP, Development, and CPM take onboard what has been said above.
LOL. If you'd have been around here longer, you'd realize ...
Old man Alldin has lost his crutch, and he's come here to try to get it back.
Moody and Borimir are a different matter altogether :-)
These two trained hard for a year in an neutered suit; a suit which has just been given its balls back. |
Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.04 02:18:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:
Let's put everything into a little perspective having 30-35m SP is going to give you a greater advantage in combination with their skill, running in elite squads are going to further that advantage.
Both are great players but both are great examples of scouts not needing cloaks, scouts got a significant boost in 1.8 (not including cloaks) and both would be dominating the same way because of their skill. Cloaks are just letting the mediocre players match their scores with no where near their skill level.
I'm with you as far as SP goes (I'm at 37.9M), but the impetus and frequency of this cloak/scout QQ is absurd. I kill lots and lots of Scouts every match. Cloak is easy-as-sh*t to spot. Especially up close. I still get killed alot each match; I die pretty much every time I screw up. Scouts aren't god-mode -- see 1.7 tanks -- nor are our KDRs skyrocketing. Willing to bet that Sentinel stats are looking way better than ours, and good for them.
We have voiced time and again that cloak could use some tweaking.
We see that Assaults are presently outclassed, but they're next in line for 1.9.
To keep things in perspective, OP sported the official loadout of Nyain San for a year straight.
For that year, he defended his crutch tooth and nail.
Now Alldurn's here to talk to us about balance.
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