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steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2660	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:37:00 - [1] - Quote It seems sanctions are kicking in now and i would like to know CCP,s stance on this i believe this is the first time any mmo company could be faceing this problem and from a political neutral view point whats going to happen here its not somthing we can pretend is not happening A sudden removal of players could quickly change the landscape. To our Russia players any thoughts i would like to hear the othersides view on this. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4834	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:41:00 - [2] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: It seems sanctions are kicking in now and i would like to know CCP,s stance on this i believe this is the first time any mmo company could be faceing this problem and from a political neutral view point whats going to happen here its not somthing we can pretend is not happening A sudden removal of players could quickly change the landscape. To our Russia players any thoughts i would like to hear the othersides view on this. I've honestly been wondering how this would effect EVE and Dust for quite a few years now if it ever came to pass. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1883	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:41:00 - [3] - Quote This could be Putin a lot of pressure on the part of our community playing in that timezone
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 252	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:44:00 - [4] - Quote This is a game, the crimea crisis is about politics... I don't see a connection. The only prob would be people paying over blocked credit cards...
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1883	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:46:00 - [5] - Quote It's already sort of affected Eve. There are certain groups that tend to form around languages. The shared communication and lack of options for joining other alliances makes the members very loyal, and very difficult to infiltrate. It's that degree of unity that always made it a bad idea to venture into the dronelands to poke the Russians. Recently one of the more well known Russian speaking alliances fell apart, which had a large number of Ukranians in it. It has since been denied, but initial rumor was that they split up over political arguments on their internal forums. No way to really know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 399	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:49:00 - [6] - Quote Yep i vote yes to kick russians out Fck the kdr,i`m going in
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2661	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:50:00 - [7] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: This is a game, the crimea crisis is about politics... I don't see a connection. The only prob would be people paying over blocked credit cards... The connect is Russia tanks flying into the Ukraine means a lot of angry players taking it out on Russia players you cant pretend their not connected if EU and US governments tell sony and ccp no business with Russia thats a huge impact in a lot of games "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 253	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:56:00 - [8] - Quote Anyway, I think war rhetorics and sanctions are not leading anywhere except more conflict. We should try to communicate more not less... But I expect the exact opposite in here, since most people seem to enjoy shooting at things, so they might enjoy seeing real world conflict without really getting the consequences for the people in Ukraine...
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4834	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:57:00 - [9] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Yep i vote yes to kick russians out Kindly get stuffed. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 575	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:16:00 - [10] - Quote What? You mean there's a world outside of Dust/EvE?!! To borrow a phrase from the amarr: You speak heresy!!! I game over like a boss.

C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 555	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:19:00 - [11] - Quote **** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 494	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:28:00 - [12] - Quote We can always impose our own economic sanctions across dust and ever on any and all known Russian players. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4844	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:51:00 - [13] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: We can always impose our own economic sanctions across dust and eve on any and all known Russian players. If Ccp tries to stop us they hate freedom. do you hate freedom Ccp? Okay, that one was good for a chuckle. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1859	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:00:00 - [14] - Quote C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Isn't that like kinda saying "** the Americans, they have no right to be in Cuba"? I mean, they have military bases there and are culturally intermingled with the Crimeans. Isn't Ukraine basically where Russian culture traces its foundations to as well? Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5268	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:03:00 - [15] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Isn't that like kinda saying " the Americans, they have no right to be in Cuba"? I mean, they have military bases there and are culturally intermingled with the Crimeans. Isn't Ukraine basically where Russian culture traces its foundations to as well? America, horrible choice to base your apologetic statement off of. 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole** -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1320	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:05:00 - [16] - Quote C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side*, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... MAG ~ Raven* I GÖú puppies.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 496	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:06:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: We can always impose our own economic sanctions across dust and eve on any and all known Russian players. If Ccp tries to stop us they hate freedom. do you hate freedom Ccp? Okay, that one was good for a chuckle. What do you think about Ccp? More like CCCP am I right? Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1860	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:08:00 - [18] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Isn't that like kinda saying "** the Americans, they have no right to be in Cuba"? I mean, they have military bases there and are culturally intermingled with the Crimeans. Isn't Ukraine basically where Russian culture traces its foundations to as well? America, horrible choice to base your apologetic statement off of. I know, I know, we're allowed to do what we want because America. Still, it just seems wrong to me that we can tell them what they can do with their military bases in places that are their backyard when we would never stand for another country doing the same to us. I'm not quite sure how you think I am apologizing either, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 498	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:10:00 - [19] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side*, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank!* *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 150	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:14:00 - [20] - Quote The sanctions currently in place and the only ones likely to happen are against individuals in Russia and certain companies. Sanctions on the level of "no company may do business with Russian citizens" are not going to happen. Currently a list of people and I believe 1 bank are not allowed to conduct transactions in US Dollars. Those people are also denied visas and therefore are not allowed to travel to places controlled by those imposing the sanctions. Nobody is going anywhere due to sanctions because even the more large sweeping sanctions are far more focused at preventing Russian companies from interacting with other countries. The Russian individual having direct contact with external companies is not going to be sanctioned against and simply will not happen.

Marc Rime 312	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:24:00 - [21] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: The sanctions currently in place and the only ones likely to happen are against individuals in Russia and certain companies. Sanctions on the level of "no company may do business with Russian citizens" are not going to happen. Currently a list of people and I believe 1 bank are not allowed to conduct transactions in US Dollars. Those people are also denied visas and therefore are not allowed to travel to places controlled by those imposing the sanctions. Nobody is going anywhere due to sanctions because even the more large sweeping sanctions are far more focused at preventing Russian companies from interacting with other countries. The Russian individual having direct contact with external companies is not going to be sanctioned against and simply will not happen. Was just about to point this out, you saved me the trouble, thanks ;). Also, to the OP: International sanctions tend to be decided on a government level, not by individuals or companies. There's no reason for CCP (the corporate entity) to have a stance on this matter.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1338	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:28:00 - [22] - Quote C Saunders wrote: **** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. The US had no right to be in and mess with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Russia has every right to be in Crimea. Russian majority, strong cultural ties, and the Crimeans even overwhelmingly voted to be annexed by Russia. Western propoganda is nothing but Western propoganda. Take a look at some videos of what really happened during the riots in Kiev, Ukraine. Riot police forming defensive lines while the protestors throw Molotov cocktails at them, beat them with clubs and metal poles, even threatening to run a bulldozer through one police line. They were even destroying the roads to use their bricks as projectiles to throw at the riot police. Are these protestors civilized people we want in a newly installed government? And don't forget that this was a coup d'+¬tat which is technically illegal under the UN charter and the new government is a "government of the victors," not a democratically chosen government. Russian people in Ukraine have every right to ask Russia for help. And the West has absolutely no right to tell Russia otherwise. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 227	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:33:00 - [23] - Quote a fun strategy i heard: start putting some of the strategic oil reserve onto the market gas prices get cheaper for everyone, and the collective price drop really hurts russia's economy (up to 10% of its gpd, which is massive) and considering how huge the SOR is, we could keep this up for 14 years, YEARS
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7594	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:41:00 - [24] - Quote OH GOD POLITICS Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2663	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:51:00 - [25] - Quote Felt the fourms needed liveing up :-P. But good points Russia inviaded crimera and beat the crap out of anyone who disagreed this is a fact, live video proof is all over the net. They could have just forced a peacefull vote but instead they moved troops in. Thats the facts not propaganda. Last time i checked the US didnt annex country's they just invaded to remove a treat. I dont blame russia for defending their intrests but their intrests pretty much bulling the rest of the world their empire building end of. But thats not the point here the point is how are Russia players going to be affected is locking any corp out of PC just because they have Russia players breaking any rules ad im sure more than one Ukraine player would love the chance. Last point ita easy to point the figure when the tanks are not on your border and nut jobs are not romming the streets threating you to vote a certain way... Or as on the guardian this morning beating up a TV presenter. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 28	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:52:00 - [26] - Quote Harpyja wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. The US had no right to be in and mess with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Russia has every right to be in Crimea. Russian majority, strong cultural ties, and the Crimeans even overwhelmingly voted to be annexed by Russia. Western propoganda is nothing but Western propoganda. Take a look at some videos of what really happened during the riots in Kiev, Ukraine. Riot police forming defensive lines while the protestors throw Molotov cocktails at them, beat them with clubs and metal poles, even threatening to run a bulldozer through one police line. They were even destroying the roads to use their bricks as projectiles to throw at the riot police. Are these protestors civilized people we want in a newly installed government? And don't forget that this was a coup d'+¬tat which is technically illegal under the UN charter and the new government is a "government of the victors," not a democratically chosen government. Russian people in Ukraine have every right to ask Russia for help. And the West has absolutely no right to tell Russia otherwise. Well, I have read some amazing article about this. Basically, America is always trying to beat Russia one way or another. And it has a very interesting way of doing it. CIA funded Alkaida, and many other coups. You know why? Because... China. Let me explain. Syberia has some awesome resources that China needs. They are very resource dependent and they suck them up like a sponge. So America is slowly making their way towards Russia, by placing their military bases closer and closer, and trying to deny Russia anything that they can without causing a storm. Now ,every time China was close to acquiring something useful, some stuff would happen that would not allow them to get the resources. They are starting to get desperate and that is exactly what US wants - for China to start looking into Syberia, since it's so incredibly close and has ALL the stuff they need. USA was trying to get rid of Russia's power for tens of years now. Does it seem brutal? Yes. But I approve. My countryr (Poland) is close to Russia. They were always affecting my country one way or another. A lot of people don't know how crazy the russians are, how horrible. My girlfriend's grand grand mother told her an interesting story from the WWII. We were pretty much occupied by both Germany and Russia, and what that old lady said was that when Germans were coming to her farm, they would always be clean, washed, smelled good and were polite. Now, when Russians used to come to the farm, they'd be absolutely filthy, smelled like , did not even ask for permission to take anything from the farm and they were abusive. This is a good example of how the whole Russia treats other people. This country is a mess, in a huge debt and is one big mafia. Russia should never be in power of anything. They will destroy it, suck it out of all the money and profits so a couple of politicians can stuff their wallets. They were ruthless during Stalin's rule, they were ruthless before that, and they are known for stuffing their citizens throats with propaganda. Some of you have no idea how ** that country is. I wish I didn't have to live near it. We grow up reading books about Russification (occupation where we can't speak another language other than Russian, where the intelligent Polish people were often killed to try and make the country dumber), gulags, Katyn disaster and so on. They have a history of being liars, backstabbers, filthy alcoholics that HAVE TO BE STOPPED one way or another. So, even though America is doing something very mean and I do not fully approve, I think it is necessary to finally start getting rid of the evil.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 556	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:52:00 - [27] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Hi.tler invaded some countries that used to be part of Germany before WW1. Your argument is invalid. Oh yeah, who the hell said I was from the US. Im british. So stop giving me US examples. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2663	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:05:00 - [28] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Hi.tler invaded some countries that used to be part of Germany before WW1. Your argument is invalid. Oh yeah, who the hell said I was from the US. Im british. So stop giving me US examples. Thats stuiped logic and you know it you might as well say we can the US back please been an adult here its important ti Topic and i dont want it locked because of trolling. Back ontopic i would find ingame attacks on Russia corps an intrested case study on realworld/virtual world corss over "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 246	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:09:00 - [29] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: We can always impose our own economic sanctions across dust and eve on any and all known Russian players. If Ccp tries to stop us they hate freedom. do you hate freedom Ccp? Okay, that one was good for a chuckle. What do you think about Ccp? More like CCCP am I right? Clever little one arent you "Shine bright like a diamond"
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 246	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:12:00 - [30] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: a fun strategy i heard: start putting some of the strategic oil reserve onto the market gas prices get cheaper for everyone, and the collective price drop really hurts russia's economy (up to 10% of its gpd, which is massive) and considering how huge the SOR is, we could keep this up for 14 years, YEARS Whose oil? If you mean american reserves - i doubt that. Their plan will always be to exhaust the rest before they have to use theirs. "Shine bright like a diamond"

Spaceman-Rob Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 372	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:16:00 - [31] - Quote Yea Putin is a wanker alright.
DEATH DEALER 1975 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:19:00 - [32] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... And you should know your history better that's same justification that **** used...appeasement, how well did that work out? What the hell h.itler is a blocked word? Anyways it appears a couple people already made this argument.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 173	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:21:00 - [33] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force? But seriously why does any individual person give a ** what bit of land their country is made up of, we should just lock down all land in it's current names and leave it at that, if some ponse calling themselves a leader decides they want more money/power/resources/land they should be ignored & if they try it a second time should just be shot by their own people who should really know better than not to question a politician.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2663	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:22:00 - [34] - Quote Stay on topic guys really i dont want to get banned for you guys squabbling -_- Discuss ingame reanfications only "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 558	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:23:00 - [35] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: C Saunders wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Hi.tler invaded some countries that used to be part of Germany before WW1. Your argument is invalid. Oh yeah, who the hell said I was from the US. Im british. So stop giving me US examples. Thats stuiped logic and you know it you might as well say we can the US back please been an adult here its important ti Topic and i dont want it locked because of trolling. Back ontopic i would find ingame attacks on Russia corps an intrested case study on realworld/virtual world corss over Stupid logic? A perfect comparison actually. Russia lost crimea during time as soviet russia. They're now trying to reclaim it. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 294	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:28:00 - [36] - Quote DEATH DEALER 1975 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... And you should know your history better that's same justification that ** used...appeasement, how well did that work out? What the hell h.itler is a blocked word? Anyways it appears a couple people already made this argument. Ever heard of a little place called Sudetenland? This is the exact same **. Nation A wants to take part of Nation B that holds a large number of Ethnicity A, who all speak Language A. Nation B says Nation A can't have it, so Nation A takes it by a treaty to keep them from invading all of Nation B. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 249	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:29:00 - [37] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Stay on topic guys really i dont want to get banned for you guys squabbling -_- Discuss ingame reanfications only OK What is really happening - I thought most stuff was being really targeted. I kind of tuned out the last couple of days because most of the news has been about the missing plane. Has there been blocking of network traffic or forcing companies to close / bar existing services? I thought the plan was to hurt the political and corporate elite and not just that sector but specifically the ones close to Putin "Shine bright like a diamond"
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 64	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:30:00 - [38] - Quote Anybody with at least minimum responsibility and power can close this topic. You discuss about things that no one from this community can know. Once great guy named Bill Hicks said: "war is when two armies are fighting". Since II WW we had only invasions or for example: Persian Gulf Destruction. Please don't put politics here (except dust politics ofc), I'm Polish and it's hard for me that my neighbors got hudge problem. The worst thing is that both sides of interest don't give a f... about Ukrainians...
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2663	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:31:00 - [39] - Quote Ug im gunna delete this thread i had to much faih in communty to not have it derail into the wordest dumest debate Edit: yeh i just wanted this to desucess ingame problems but yeh asking to much of this communty "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 28	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:32:00 - [40] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Anybody with at least minimum responsibility and power can close this topic. You discuss about things that no one from this community can know. Once great guy named Bill Hicks said: "war is when two armies are fighting". Since II WW we had only invasions or for example: Persian Gulf Destruction. Please don't put politics here (except dust politics ofc), I'm Polish and it's hard for me that my neighbors got hudge problem. The worst thing is that both sides of interest don't give a f... about Ukrainians... I wouldn't worry. As long as people don't call each other idiots for having different views I think this conversation can be quite healthy. I, for one, am very interested in this. Everybody I meet says "I dont want to talk about it" and I am a bit happy that I can finally see what people have to say about it.

Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2054	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:35:00 - [41] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: OH GOD POLITICS It's the ultimate metagame, dude. You should be all over that. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2663	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:36:00 - [42] - Quote ... As its not been locked yet i trust maybe the GMs feel the same. I for obe dont think EU or Russia are in the right and US just wants to flex its mussels. The whole situation is fuckrd up and in worried because are government dissolved are armed forcrs and if russia goes for it where ducked "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 250	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:55:00 - [43] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: ... As its not been locked yet i trust maybe the GMs feel the same. I for obe dont think EU or Russia are in the right and US just wants to flex its mussels. The whole situation is fuckrd up and in worried because are government dissolved are armed forcrs and if russia goes for it where ducked You really believe that ??? Or by dissolved you mean spread thin in many conflict areas? And I dont think Obama is stupid enough to go to war when the precedent has already been set that they dont go head to head. Its basically proxy war fighting. There was a talking head who laid out all the incursions since world war 2 by Soviet Union and then Russia and no US President used force to combat it. "Shine bright like a diamond"
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2664	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:22:00 - [44] - Quote Im Uk not US are armed forces is a factually a lot smaller and is still decreaseing in size. At the moment open warfare is off the cards the Russia econ cant take the shock and nither can ours but their called flashpoints for a reason. The true wildcard is what china does if they get involved historicaly they dont but their the 3rd power in all this whoever they side with wins basically "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Marc Rime 314	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:24:00 - [45] - Quote Surprised to see this thread still here. Shouldn't it at least have been moved to the locker room by now?
pseudosnipre 590	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:29:00 - [46] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: This is a game, the crimea crisis is about politics... I don't see a connection. The only prob would be people paying over blocked credit cards... CCCP This wouldn't have happened if Putin was a dirtsider FC. Compulsion: sated. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2664	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:29:00 - [47] - Quote I was trying to keep it on topic to effects on dust but iv given up maybe the GMs are busy? In which case PARTY "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2054	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:29:00 - [48] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: The true wildcard is what china does if they get involved historicaly they dont but their the 3rd power in all this whoever they side with wins basically Which is why they won't. China wouldn't want a winner, because there's tons of money to be made by placing nice to both sides. US and China first ladies just spent the day playing ping-pong together, for cryin' out loud. I'm sure China will be having pleasant phone calls with Putin in the near future, too. Their foreign policy is essentially: "Okay, everybody, just calm the hell down and stop screwing with our economic plans." I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 77	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:44:00 - [49] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Isn't that like kinda saying "** the Americans, they have no right to be in Cuba"? I mean, they have military bases there and are culturally intermingled with the Crimeans. Isn't Ukraine basically where Russian culture traces its foundations to as well? For the first question, it would be the same if America was attempting to annex Cuba (which we aren't). The Rus people trace their heritage to the area around Kiev, I want to say the Rus enter the written record around 800-850. The are very deep cultural/political connections between Russia and the Ukraine. The only similarity between Russia/Ukraine and US/Cuba is the proximity they have to one another (and the use of military bases I guess).
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13593	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:45:00 - [50] - Quote Aleph Rynedee wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Isn't that like kinda saying "** the Americans, they have no right to be in Cuba"? I mean, they have military bases there and are culturally intermingled with the Crimeans. Isn't Ukraine basically where Russian culture traces its foundations to as well? For the first question, it would be the same if America was attempting to annex Cuba (which we aren't). The Rus people trace their heritage to the area around Kiev, I want to say the Rus enter the written record around 800-850. The are very deep cultural/political connections between Russia and the Ukraine. The only similarity between Russia/Ukraine and US/Cuba is the proximity they have to one another (and the use of military bases I guess). Anymore. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1326	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:05:00 - [51] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: C Saunders wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side*, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Hi.tler invaded some countries that used to be part of Germany before WW1. Your argument is invalid. Oh yeah, who the hell said I was from the US. Im british. So stop giving me US examples. Thats stuiped logic and you know it you might as well say we can the US back please been an adult here its important ti Topic and i dont want it locked because of trolling. Back ontopic i would find ingame attacks on Russia corps an intrested case study on realworld/virtual world corss over No worries. As everyone who follows politics knows, as soon as you resort to using the bad guys from WWII as examples, you've lost the argument. MAG ~ Raven* I GÖú puppies.
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 701	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:06:00 - [52] - Quote I can sort of understand why Putin would want to annex Crimea, although even when you WANT to do something, if international law states that it's not allowed, then that should be the end of the line. When a country and its president chooses to defy international law, there should be actions taken in response. And if Russia even tries to annex other cities, it will more than likely immediately lead to war. Hopefully Putin isn't that delusional, but based on what he has done so far, anything is possible at this point. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Protean Zero SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:29:00 - [53] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Yep i vote yes to kick russians out Not all russians has to do with their political problems. This was a few on the big chairs that made this decition. BTW alienating people wont get peole to be more humanitarian.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5271	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:39:00 - [54] - Quote I say we take all the Caldari and push them somewhere else! Huh? Wrong thread? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2665	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:43:00 - [55] - Quote Your joke is what happend to the tatars during the sovat union where Russian deported the lot. Bbuutt i dont think that was point you where eluding too :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 648	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:46:00 - [56] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Yep i vote yes to kick russians out sometimes I wonder what's wrong with this country and comments like this pop up go Finland... BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 256	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:46:00 - [57] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: There has already recently been a Ukrainian officer killed a few days ago by getting shot directly in the heart when Russian's stormed a Ukrainian base in Crimea. If this is any indication, things could seriously escalate if Russia doesn't start to back down and just sit on Crimea. As far as I know that officer was killed by an agent provokateur, as was a russian soldier in the same incident. This is not a black and white crisis, it's many shades of gray, especcially on the ukrainian side. There are the people, who just wanted to be part of the EU, to gain better standard of living, and maybe getting help against the rampant corruption in the ukraine. But there are also right wing extremists who want nothing but revenge against russia. And obviously the corrupt politicians caste. Problem is, if this goes unchallanged, Putin might get more interest in other former CCCP territory.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 366	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:47:00 - [58] - Quote C Saunders wrote: **** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. "Cremea river" ~Putin
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 771	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:51:00 - [59] - Quote Harpyja wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. The US had no right to be in and mess with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Russia has every right to be in Crimea. Russian majority, strong cultural ties, and the Crimeans even overwhelmingly voted to be annexed by Russia. Western propoganda is nothing but Western propoganda. Take a look at some videos of what really happened during the riots in Kiev, Ukraine. Riot police forming defensive lines while the protestors throw Molotov cocktails at them, beat them with clubs and metal poles, even threatening to run a bulldozer through one police line. They were even destroying the roads to use their bricks as projectiles to throw at the riot police. Are these protestors civilized people we want in a newly installed government? And don't forget that this was a coup d'+¬tat which is technically illegal under the UN charter and the new government is a "government of the victors," not a democratically chosen government. Russian people in Ukraine have every right to ask Russia for help. And the West has absolutely no right to tell Russia otherwise. You are correct about Iraq, however you are wrong about Afghanistan( the taliban were protecting bin laden and 911 was his fault). Libya and Syria?, The US has not invaded Libya or Syria. If Crimea wants to join Russia, I say let them. Most of them are ethnic Russians anyway. As far as the Russian players, why on earth would folks punish gamers of any country just because their governments are stupid? Both the West and the East governments are quite capable of doing stupid things. Innocent civilians that had nothing to do with their governments being ******, should not be punished.
Marc Rime 317	Posted - 2014.03.21 16:55:00 - [60] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: No worries. As everyone who follows politics knows, as soon as you resort to using the bad guys from WWII as examples, you've lost the argument. Politics? Arguments on the Internet is what spawned Godwin's Law in the first place ;).

steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2666	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:05:00 - [61] - Quote Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 558	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:19:00 - [62] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1109	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:20:00 - [63] - Quote **** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong. Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west. The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough. By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is? I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. Investigate 9/11
EuroTraining Capital Acquisitions LLC 8	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:29:00 - [64] - Quote How about that missing airliner?
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 30	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:35:00 - [65] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: **** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong. Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west. The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough. By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is? I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. 97%, right? Out of... what was it? 137% total? Does not look like a bit of a lie at all, does it? I would not like to be ruled by a poor, dirty country full of alcoholics and depressed people that live in poverty and propaganda. Russia is such a filthy country, that I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all.
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 404	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:21:00 - [66] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Ok finland has been part of russian imperium, and also we have russian minority here.So if putinland sorry russia decide invade in finland bcause russian`s here want it will be ok?Or if finland decide invade karelia bcause it was rightly our`s before commies took that away from us Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1326	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:31:00 - [67] - Quote Just to clear things up, my earlier post was simply to inform people of the situation. I personally am leaning towards the anti-Russian side of the argument, though since there was so much animosity towards Russia I felt this thread would be better suited having a middle ground explanation. Don't mistake me for taking Putin's side in all of this just because I understand his side of things. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1441	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:31:00 - [68] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: **** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong. Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west. The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough. By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is? I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. People want America to intervene in world events and others want America to not intervene world events. Not just the people here but around the world. There will be people saying screw America because we're not helping or because we are. If we were to simply just isolate ourselves from the world except our straight-forward allies, people would QQ. If we would act like the world police, like we still do at times, people will QQ. --- I don't see how this affects the game btw OP "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
killer carrot top Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:40:00 - [69] - Quote I'm just laughing at this whole situation, this is bigger than Russia or Ukraine or America. I want you all to properly research this problem using non American media(due to over censor ship) I'll bet you there's alot more going on then your lead to believe
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 559	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:44:00 - [70] - Quote EuroTraining wrote: How about that missing airliner? The Aussies stole it! // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //

Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:46:00 - [71] - Quote Obama would never create sanctions to hurt young people in russia, he needs them to sign up for obamacare Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
killer carrot top Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:48:00 - [72] - Quote Nope America stole it for another false flag attack just wait something's gonna pop off in the west and guess what another foreign country under boot for freedom lol
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:55:00 - [73] - Quote With the Russian/Ukrainan situation getting out of hand, the only real problem CCP would have would be if the transaction from Russians to U.S currency through aurum hit a dead end with America blocking all transactions from Russians in Russia. Then CCP would have to find a way of getting around it to still make a profit while following the sanctions U.S has put. but I don't think anything major will happen unless Russian players are currently un ukrain or crimea. Like the other guy earlier in this thread said. so ofar the only alliance to get affected by this was the Russian speaking one whos players were majority or primarily in crimea. those outside wont really be affected by this. This is a war situation of Russia trying to get back its original soviet union territories back into Russia's borders, this is their attempt at making their financial situation better and more powerful than America's Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:58:00 - [74] - Quote C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 527	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:10:00 - [75] - Quote Oh boy, Political arguments. I'll say this before leaving this thread forever; most of you have no ***** clue what you're talking about, I'm sure some of you do, but the majority of people have no idea how geopolitics, sanctions, government, etc. work. I swear, people read a couple news articles and watch a few videos on CNN and suddenly they're spouting their opinions like they have a ***** Ph.D in geopolitics. You goddamn fools. Leaves thread forever *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 250	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:20:00 - [76] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: a fun strategy i heard: start putting some of the strategic oil reserve onto the market gas prices get cheaper for everyone, and the collective price drop really hurts russia's economy (up to 10% of its gpd, which is massive) and considering how huge the SOR is, we could keep this up for 14 years, YEARS Cheaper gas prices? I'm game. Also I mostly try and stay out of these arguments/conversations because of the information gap between many of the people commenting. PvE 2014
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 771	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:24:00 - [77] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. You obviously have not seen Red Dawn. Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1443	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:35:00 - [78] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. I don't think a draft would be necessary until everything turns to poop. I believe many civilians would throw on their fatigues and even more if they feel like their freedom is threatened because 'Murica. I know I would consider it although my asthma might be a problem for them(I don't know how the screening process works). Also, I HIGHLY disagree about America struggling with fighting mainland. There's an itch that many people have been waiting to scratch, especially in the South, imo. I mean sure the average civilian wouldn't be as trained as an actual soldier but that lax on gun laws and how people really feel about defending their territory is something to consider. Let's not forget the fact that there's a surprising amount of people prepping for an invasion or doomsday scenario with bunkers, and plenty more. Then there's the guerilla warfare aspect. Oh and how fanatical we are, even with America's bad reputation. I mean, the only way I would imagine we would be critically struggling would be if we think that it's okay for them to invade us and I find that extremely unlikely. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 371	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:36:00 - [79] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. Considering that we have the top navy in the world, unless china and russia somehow got all of their tanks and gear across the Bering Strait without us noticing I would say good luck invading the US mainland. And then once you got here there is a gun behind every blade of grass. And I don't think the sanctions that the US is imposing right now are the kind that would effect CCP. There are no trade embargoes as of yet just freezing of liquid assets held in the US of top government officials. No land seized or the confiscation of said liquidity. Although it does raise tensions a little bit reminiscent of the cold war era, which I am not a fan of returning too. We don't need a third civil war.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1925	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:43:00 - [80] - Quote I'm just here to shoot nerds in the face. Real world politics has no place in the game unless I'm directly involved and other people bring the topic up. The idea of taking some kind of in-game action in response to a real world politician taking hostile action is just silly. Realistically the only effect this will have is on in-game "ethnic" politics, if there even are any Dust groups based around the Russian language, or on internet connection stability for players living in that part of the world. Beyond that it isn't relevant to us.

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 427	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:53:00 - [81] - Quote If the sh-ít realy hit the fan there will be RL war no need for dust 514 then. Lets hope the Russians stay at dust War never changes
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 772	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:54:00 - [82] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I'm just here to shoot nerds in the face. Real world politics has no place in the game unless I'm directly involved and other people bring the topic up. The idea of taking some kind of in-game action in response to a real world politician taking hostile action is just silly. Realistically the only effect this will have is on in-game "ethnic" politics, if there even are any Dust groups based around the Russian language, or on internet connection stability for players living in that part of the world. Beyond that it isn't relevant to us. You had me at "shoot nerds in the face"
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 816	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:14:00 - [83] - Quote What about Iraq and afghanistan? Russia is just playing the politics and power game. We can't blame russian players for this and it would be really stupid to ban them from this game (since they also contribute to the numbers of players that give money to this game) This is thread should be locked ... Since it won't add anything to DUST 514 game DUST BRASIL S.A (DBSA) *DIRECTOR* We have ringers available (Contact: Sadashi or Necandi Brasil)
Soldiersaint Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:16:00 - [84] - Quote Oh i hope not I love the Russians. They are freaking beasts! Its a shame that other Americans in my state dont feel the same.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 609	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:49:00 - [85] - Quote I doubt it will get to the point that it will have a serious impact on the player base I.e. Significant sanctions resulting in cutting of Russian or other regional groups. If it does then something has gone seriously and possibly horrifically wrong and we won't be worrying about a computer game at that stage.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1994	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:12:00 - [86] - Quote Someone call Team America Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:42:00 - [87] - Quote Paul Peacemaker wrote: 97%, right? Out of... what was it? 137% total? Does not look like a bit of a lie at all, does it? I would not like to be ruled by a poor, dirty country full of alcoholics and depressed people that live in poverty and propaganda. Russia is such a filthy country, that I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all. Have you visited my homeland in the past, Paul? No? Do not, then, insult my homeland without having first seen it. Meanwhile, having lived in both Russia and now, currently in California, perhaps I can enlighten you against what the AP, or "Associated Propaganda" has been trying to brainwash you with. And by the way, before anyone calls me out about AP being Associated Press and not Associated Propaganda, I'm trying to make a point. First of all, Paul, I do not know what tier of life you were born into, but I was born into the Russian middle class. I had a sponsored, hard-earned education and while my compatriots often spoke only two languages--Russian and English--I had the chance and did learn English, Russian, French, and German, and since then I have added Chinese and Spanish to the list. I don't know about you, but I will guess that you only read English news. I read four different sets of news, from four different nations. I CHOOSE to be educated, I CHOOSE to know what is truly going on, and I CHOOSE to SEE PAST THE PROPAGANDA the respective nations are allowing their newspresses to release. I have had the oppurtunity to graduate from MGU with honors, Please pardon me if I may sound critical of you but perhaps what draws ire against Russian people is our brutally frank attitude--if we see someone acting like an idiot, we point that out to him. But by no means am I calling you one. Instead, far from it. I feel that the term idiot is too good a term, and it would be a misnomer for you. I do see that you say, "I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all." I can't, with any logic, support the fact that you have logic in the first place just noting your illogical statement. If that isn't paradoxical enough, what is? Here. Just a sample of Putin's speech in adress to Crimea issue. I understand you probably cannot understand Russian, otherwise I would have given you RIA's version. The translation here is good enough: http://rt.com/news/putin-address-ten-quotes-778/ This is the difference between America and Russia, as I have found out while living in California. Here is America, Americans cater to the minority despite the suffering of the majority. This is obvious through the ill-planned-fascist-attempt-at-socialism called Obamacare. In Russia, we can only be moved by the majority. That is why we help Crimea, because 60% of Crimea is Russian and that is something Putin cannot ignore. Honestly, this is a good video as well: Ukraine Nationalist Speech You probably don't understand Russian or Ukrainian, but this "Nationalist" is saying that Russians in Ukraine should die, be shot in the head, and all that jazz. Of course, our Western, "Associated Propaganda" which is trying to portray Ukraine and its Revolutionary Government as the good guys, would not publish such videos. After watching it is it any surprise that most Russian-speaking and Russian Crimeans would call to Putin for aid? It is quite simple to illustrate to you and all the Double-Standard taken here by the United Nations and US: 1) Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait wars "against Terrorism." Approved of by the UN. What did America want? Oil. Did we get it? Oh yes. vs. Russia enters Dagestan, Chechnya, Georgia "against Terrorism" Draws international IRE and disproval by the UN What were we after? No doubt there was economic interests in this region as well, but let us not forget that these "states" are on OUR Southern Borders. It is that much easier to cross into Southern Russia and carry out Terrorist Activity. Can America say the same about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait? Ukrainian DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED President Yanukovich overthrown by way of revolution and replaced. New Ukrainian Government and overthrow deemed legal, and New Ukraine is recognized by the UN. Russia gains Crimea through legal vote, deemed illegal and illegitimate by UN. What about the New Ukraine Government? Is overthrowing legitimate governments legal? No. Please note several things: Crimea given to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, a UKRAINIAN-ethnic leader of the USSR. At this time it was ok, because Ukraine was part of the USSR, and the USSR answered to Moscow. But in 1991, Crimeans found themselves suddenly "Ukrainians." Couple that with live video threats and Ukrainian-nationalist speeches to get rid of Russians in Ukraine, if I lived in Crimea I would be calling out to the motherland for help as well. If you have any more of your "logic" to show me, I welcome it by all means. I know that by speaking my opinion here in America and amongst the English forums I draw the ire of all of the "international community." I welcome that. I welcome the risks that come with free speech like this. I await your response. Until then, I apologize for the hot-bloodedness of my speech and the offense it may have caused any of you who read my speech, Sincerely, Dmitri Chuikov (axINVICTUSxa) I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 251	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:02:00 - [88] - Quote @axINVICTUSxa I thank you for your perspective. I know from many discussions with a good friend of mine from college (she is half russian half sri lankan who grew up there and now lives in Russia again) that what is reported and what is seen on the other side can be quite different. I remember many discussions when the hunt for WMD's was on and she made the case very clear how things were most likely being slanted. We also had many discussions about how she thought the US would be before she came to school over there. I know some in the American media have made similar points about Crimea but they have been drowned out by Putin is crazy / testing Obama etc rhetoric. That said - the move to just seize territory in a foreign country will always go against international law - now what the actual repercussions will be? who knows. A new Cold War era wont help anybody though imo "Shine bright like a diamond"
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2666	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:11:00 - [89] - Quote axINVICTUSxa i genuinely mean this, thanks for your view point we never get to hear the other side and their is no right in side in this and i hope it all settles down. i think its also safe that as ingame goes noone really cares enough to act on it :P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1824	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:21:00 - [90] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: This could be Putin a lot of pressure on the part of our community playing in that timezone (GÿPn+ƒpâ«n+ƒ)GÿP I see what you did there.

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 775	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:25:00 - [91] - Quote As I have said on here a couple of times before, I have no problem with Crimea wanting to join Russia. Most of them are ethnic Russians anyway and it was always part of Russia prior to Kruschev giving it away. The Iraq war was bogus, however, do not lump Kuwait and Afghanistan in with it and say they are the same thing. There was a bad guy who headed a bad guy organization and he was being sheltered by the Taliban. That same bad guy and his organization were responsible for 9-11-2001. The Taliban would not give him up. As a result, the US had every right to go in there. Kuwait was invaded by a foreign country know as Iraq. The west went in there to kick them out of Kuwait. Once that was done, they did not invade Iraq again until that moron bush did it. Do not compare the Kuwait and Afghanistan wars to the second Iraq fiasco. P.S. chief, there are no oil refineries of note in Afghanistan. If everything was about oil, then Obama would invade Venezuela. That's right sunshine. The biggest oil reserves on the planet are there.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 467	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:35:00 - [92] - Quote Politics have no place in a fucking vidya game. We got ingame politics up the ass in New Eden, why would you drag reallife politics in it aswell? To quote a hot Iranian chick: "If I have one message to give to the secular American people, itGÇÖs that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we donGÇÖt know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same." TOLD514
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1065	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:42:00 - [93] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Have you visited my homeland in the past, Paul? No? Do not, then, insult my homeland without having first seen it. Meanwhile, having lived in both Russia and now, currently in California, perhaps I can enlighten you against what the AP, or "Associated Propaganda" has been trying to brainwash you with. And by the way, before anyone calls me out about AP being Associated Press and not Associated Propaganda, I'm trying to make a point. First of all, Paul, I do not know what tier of life you were born into, but I was born into the Russian middle class. I had a sponsored, hard-earned education and while my compatriots often spoke only two languages--Russian and English--I had the chance and did learn English, Russian, French, and German, and since then I have added Chinese and Spanish to the list. I don't know about you, but I will guess that you only read English news. I read four different sets of news, from four different nations. I CHOOSE to be educated, I CHOOSE to know what is truly going on, and I CHOOSE to SEE PAST THE PROPAGANDA the respective nations are allowing their newspresses to release. I have had the oppurtunity to graduate from MGU with honors, Please pardon me if I may sound critical of you but perhaps what draws ire against Russian people is our brutally frank attitude--if we see someone acting like an idiot, we point that out to him. But by no means am I calling you one. Instead, far from it. I feel that the term idiot is too good a term, and it would be a misnomer for you. I do see that you say, "I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all." I can't, with any logic, support the fact that you have logic in the first place just noting your illogical statement. If that isn't paradoxical enough, what is? Here. Just a sample of Putin's speech in adress to Crimea issue. I understand you probably cannot understand Russian, otherwise I would have given you RIA's version. The translation here is good enough: http://rt.com/news/putin-address-ten-quotes-778/ This is the difference between America and Russia, as I have found out while living in California. Here is America, Americans cater to the minority despite the suffering of the majority. This is obvious through the ill-planned-fascist-attempt-at-socialism called Obamacare. In Russia, we can only be moved by the majority. That is why we help Crimea, because 60% of Crimea is Russian and that is something Putin cannot ignore. Honestly, this is a good video as well: Ukraine Nationalist Speech You probably don't understand Russian or Ukrainian, but this "Nationalist" is saying that Russians in Ukraine should die, be shot in the head, and all that jazz. Of course, our Western, "Associated Propaganda" which is trying to portray Ukraine and its Revolutionary Government as the good guys, would not publish such videos. After watching it is it any surprise that most Russian-speaking and Russian Crimeans would call to Putin for aid? It is quite simple to illustrate to you and all the Double-Standard taken here by the United Nations and US: 1) Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait wars "against Terrorism." Approved of by the UN. What did America want? Oil. Did we get it? Oh yes. vs. Russia enters Dagestan, Chechnya, Georgia "against Terrorism" Draws international IRE and disproval by the UN What were we after? No doubt there was economic interests in this region as well, but let us not forget that these "states" are on OUR Southern Borders. It is that much easier to cross into Southern Russia and carry out Terrorist Activity. Can America say the same about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait? Ukrainian DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED President Yanukovich overthrown by way of revolution and replaced. New Ukrainian Government and overthrow deemed legal, and New Ukraine is recognized by the UN. Russia gains Crimea through legal vote, deemed illegal and illegitimate by UN. What about the New Ukraine Government? Is overthrowing legitimate governments legal? No. Please note several things: Crimea given to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, a UKRAINIAN-ethnic leader of the USSR. At this time it was ok, because Ukraine was part of the USSR, and the USSR answered to Moscow. But in 1991, Crimeans found themselves suddenly "Ukrainians." Couple that with live video threats and Ukrainian-nationalist speeches to get rid of Russians in Ukraine, if I lived in Crimea I would be calling out to the motherland for help as well. If you have any more of your "logic" to show me, I welcome it by all means. I know that by speaking my opinion here in America and amongst the English forums I draw the ire of all of the "international community." I welcome that. I welcome the risks that come with free speech like this. I await your response. Until then, I apologize for the hot-bloodedness of my speech and the offense it may have caused any of you who read my speech, Sincerely, Dmitri Chuikov (axINVICTUSxa) I could respect your opinion, until you called Obamacare fascism. Its just one issue and we can debate its merits and demerits but to call it fascism is either hyperbole taken to ridiculous heights or shows no understanding of what fascism is. Anyway, as far as Crimea, its none of my business, not my corner of the world. I don't care enough to inform myself enough to form an opinion. I don't think the UN has the power nor the ability to cut Russia off from the internet either so I doubt losing our Russian players because of sanctions is a worry. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1329	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:43:00 - [94] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side*, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force? I never said they had the right to do it, I simply gave you their reasoning. I was in no way legitimizing their actions. What is it with everyone trying to one-up each other lately? Taking simple informative posts and trying to make them out to be the opinions of the author of the post.... it's beneath you guys. I've come to expect a higher caliber of troll posting here in the Dust forums people, don't let me down with this kiddie crap. MAG ~ Raven* I GÖú puppies.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 372	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:51:00 - [95] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: I never said they had the right to do it, I simply gave you their reasoning. I was in no way legitimizing their actions. What is it with everyone trying to one-up each other lately? Taking simple informative posts and trying to make them out to be the opinions of the author of the post.... it's beneath you guys. I've come to expect a higher caliber of troll posting here in the Dust forums people, don't let me down with this kiddie crap. The problem is they are kids. I compare it to the right wing 2nd amendment nut jobs that call for an armed march on DC because they are trying to take away our guns. None of them have ever seen real war and they live in a fantasy land where they can open carry and shoot their enemies and if they get shot they will just respawn and "sheetz all goooooood!" It saddens me how little people think today and just parrot stupid.
Rusty Shallows 1187	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:56:00 - [96] - Quote Harpyja wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. The US had no right to be in and mess with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Afghanistan trained, protected, and to a degree funded the people who flew planes into three buildings and one field fourteen years ago. Only the most deluded will side with people who openly murder children in their God's name. Libya's Dictator funded terrorism internationally and used state natural resources to economically pressure the United Kingdom in releasing a terrorist. In Syria they asked for trouble after torturing a young boy to death and letting it get publicly known. The detention facilities there makes Gitmo look like a legal five-star resort. Harpyja wrote:** Russia has every right to be in Crimea. Russian majority, strong cultural ties, and the Crimeans even overwhelmingly voted to be annexed by Russia. Putin silenced several news networks and organized this "vote" from the outside. Considering reporters were beaten and the vote had zero oversight or transparity. None of those make for legitimate claims. This is an Invasion pure and simple. As for Russian Eve/Dust Players there is no rational reason to punish them for the actions of their quasi-dictator. As an American I'm used to seeing internationals take a crap on us as individuals for other's mistakes. If possible could we at least not repeat that kind treatment on Russians? Pretty please? Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1330	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:56:00 - [97] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: **** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong. Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west. The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough. By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is? I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. The issue isn't that Russia reabsorbed Crimea, it's the way in which they did it. If they had taken the time do it diplomatically this probably wouldn't have even hit the news in the US. The fact that they used military force to take it back is why the US and NATO are in such an uproar. By using it's military to get back Crimea, Russia has put itself on really shaky ground for no (currently) apparent reason. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 372	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:03:00 - [98] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: As I have said on here a couple of times before, I have no problem with Crimea wanting to join Russia. Most of them are ethnic Russians anyway and it was always part of Russia prior to Kruschev giving it away. The Iraq war was bogus, however, do not lump Kuwait and Afghanistan in with it and say they are the same thing. There was a bad guy who headed a bad guy organization and he was being sheltered by the Taliban. That same bad guy and his organization were responsible for 9-11-2001. The Taliban would not give him up. As a result, the US had every right to go in there. Kuwait was invaded by a foreign country know as Iraq. The west went in there to kick them out of Kuwait. Once that was done, they did not invade Iraq again until that moron bush did it. Do not compare the Kuwait and Afghanistan wars to the second Iraq fiasco. P.S. chief, there are no oil refineries of note in Afghanistan. If everything was about oil, then Obama would invade Venezuela. That's right sunshine. The biggest oil reserves on the planet are there. Actually. NA has one of the biggest oil reserves on the planet. Don't let the hype delude an otherwise great post. We are not drilling it at present time, not because of the caribou, but because we have the cash to buy others first. Then we also have our strategic reserve. Our Army/Air Force and Navy/Marines can operate off of that for a good 5 years past how long it would take us to start pumping out of Alaska. Plus there is tech out there to turn exhaust from coal burns into gasoline, and jets can fly on natural gas/ hydrogen just as easily as from JP5-8. Actually, it would be very simple to turn airport refueling depots into natural gas/hydrogen/propane refineries/storage in under 3 months. It is all plug an play nowadays.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1869	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:05:00 - [99] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force? But seriously why does any individual person give a ** what bit of land their country is made up of, we should just lock down all land in it's current names and leave it at that, if some ponse calling themselves a leader decides they want more money/power/resources/land they should be ignored & if they try it a second time should just be shot by their own people who should really know better than not to question a politician. They tried that ~200 years ago and got bored after they burnt the White House to the ground. IDK, Andrew Jackson leading a bunch of drunkards and freed slaves into a British encampment during the night and slitting all of their throats might've had something to do with them leaving too. Andrew Jackson..... GREATEST. PRESIDENT. EVAR. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1330	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:05:00 - [100] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. I don't think a draft would be necessary until everything turns to poop. I believe many civilians would throw on their fatigues and even more if they feel like their freedom is threatened because 'Murica. I know I would consider it although my asthma might be a problem for them(I don't know how the screening process works). Also, I HIGHLY disagree about America struggling with fighting mainland. There's an itch that many people have been waiting to scratch, especially in the South, imo. I mean sure the average civilian wouldn't be as trained as an actual soldier but that lax on gun laws and how people really feel about defending their territory is something to consider. Let's not forget the fact that there's a surprising amount of people prepping for an invasion or doomsday scenario with bunkers, and plenty more. Then there's the guerilla warfare aspect. Oh and how fanatical we are, even with America's bad reputation. I mean, the only way I would imagine we would be critically struggling would be if we think that it's okay for them to invade us and I find that extremely unlikely. Russia and China would make it about as far as Detroit. Then they''d be *****. MAG ~ Raven* I GÖú puppies.

Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 373	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:12:00 - [101] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Russia and China would make it about as far as Detroit. Then they''d be ******. For them to make it that far they would have to mount their attack from the north pole.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 278	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:14:00 - [102] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Ug im gunna delete this thread i had to much faih in communty to not have it derail into the wordest dumest debate Edit: yeh i just wanted this to desucess ingame problems but yeh asking to much of this communty Maybe come back and post when you're sober?
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1330	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:24:00 - [103] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force? But seriously why does any individual person give a ** what bit of land their country is made up of, we should just lock down all land in it's current names and leave it at that, if some ponse calling themselves a leader decides they want more money/power/resources/land they should be ignored & if they try it a second time should just be shot by their own people who should really know better than not to question a politician. They tried that ~200 years ago and got bored after they burnt the White House to the ground. IDK, Andrew Jackson leading a bunch of drunkards and freed slaves into a British encampment during the night and slitting all of their throats might've had something to do with them leaving too. Andrew Jackson..... GREATEST. PRESIDENT. EVAR. Teddy Roosevelt. S'all I'm sayin'. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 373	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:42:00 - [104] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Ug im gunna delete this thread i had to much faih in communty to not have it derail into the wordest dumest debate Edit: yeh i just wanted this to desucess ingame problems but yeh asking to much of this communty Maybe come back and post when you're sober? Maybe, educate yourself. You know most "foreigners" I have ever met in my travels, and I have been to Europe, South America and Asia can speak passable english. I learned small amounts of french and spanish in highschool. Small amounts of dari/persian/pashto and german/swedish on deployments and 99% of white/black americans can barely speak english. I was on patrol in a back mountain part of Afghanistan that doesn't even have roads going to it and the kids there spoke near perfect english. And we label this place third world. They are just like us, and it's sad when people think they are better than others purely based on where they were born. It's even worse when others try to presume they know what is best for parts of the world they know nothing about. Open arms will bring us closer than open fire will, and I believe in the words written at the base of the statue of liberty. Problem is ego, everyone thinks a line on a map defines you. No no no, because as you walk through the world you will find no natural lines. Only different faces, that remind you of other people you know back home. But I do say, Baltimore, MD and Cleveland, OH can **** off. Pittsburgh, PA ~Native American Pittsburghers represent~ Because both of those cities are dirty dirty places. Philthadelphia, PA doesn't get a pass either, though, I respect them because their hate is just as focused.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 897	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:52:00 - [105] - Quote Crimea river. NK Scout, you ask if I need ISK every week but I never seem to get any.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 373	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:54:00 - [106] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Teddy Roosevelt. S'all I'm sayin'. My company in basic was the "Rough Riders". As an American of Irish/Italian descent fighting/fleeing persecution and having long ties to rebels throughout my family history. I approve of this post.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1870	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:34:00 - [107] - Quote @Baal Quote: For those who arenGÇÖt fully aware, grizzly bears have the horrific strength and power of a T-Rex (except with arms that can actually be used), the speed of a Velociraptor, and the temperament of a crazed bulldog. And they look cute, too. I about pissed myself laughing, thanks, I needed it. I still stand by my assertion though. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 34	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:04:00 - [108] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: [quote=Paul Peacemaker] Dmitri Chuikov (axINVICTUSxa) I wasn't focusing on Ukraine in my post, I was focusing on Russia and America. I am not very interested in the reasons why Russia wants Ukraine. People say they have the right because "hostory" and others say they don't have a right. There are also people saying that they DO have the right, but they broke some laws. Just like they always do. You are asking me to look at this from different perspectives. I do. And my hate isn't something that just appeared overnight. I was "ok" with Russia until I saw how Putin does things. He's not a good person, he's a bandit, and a bully. When a Polish plane crashed near Katyn, they didn't even let us see the black boxes for 1,5 years!!! A plane with our president and a few generals. Do you understand how important this was to us? It's been years since it happened and we still don't know what happened exactly! I hate this big country that thinks we're nothing, a little speck of dust that can be bullied, because we can't hit them back. That's also what Putin said about UK ("small insignificant country"). Do you know what happened when a Russian plane crashed on our border? Russia just marched in, took all the stuff from the crash and left. They didn't ask us for permission. They do not care. So we still do not know whether our president was murdered by your government or not. And since they kept all the details a secret I am going to go with - they did it. They got their revenge for Georgia, since our president just rushed into that country to try and stop the invasion. I can't trust that guy. And when I read one of his long speeches where he contradicted himself every few minutes, I just couldn't stop wondering - "Are people believing this crap?" I am not talking about any speeches about Ukraine. He gave it a few months before that. "We do not want to be a military power" "We will challenge any military power to be the best" And so on... There were many more things he said then, and I can't remember them of the top of my head, but my Latvian friend was pretty excited... which was a bit sad. It's not propaganda that your country is in shambles. The life expectancy in Russia is about 77 years these days. 20% of men die before 55, mostly because of alcohol. An ex KGB member, who nobody heard of became president. And at the same time Russian Orthodox church rises in power once again. And it was very strong during Communism, because it was the main source of propaganda. And here we have it becoming powerful again. That church was actually one of the propaganda tools used by KGB. See any connections? The Russian mindset is not healthy for other nations. Isn't there a Russian rule saying "we must kill somebody once in a while to send a message"? There is such a saying, and don't tell me there isn't. I will always see Russia one of those bullies in the yard. The one that doesn't clean his teeth and it smells when he comes close to you to throw insults at you. The one wearing a tracksuit, thinking that he's the most important and best person in the world. I do apologize. I hate it when people speak badly of my country, but it happens very often. It is true that it's wrong to divide people into nationalities. I don't have every single russian. I hate the ideology of Russia and the way they deal with politics, military, market, finances and propaganda. I know how much propaganda is fed to US people. I am not defending the other side. But I do not think that Russia should try and reclaim any old countries. That will never help that reclaimed country.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3590	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:12:00 - [109] - Quote I wonder if Russia will lose veto power in UN security council for violations 68 inches above sea level...
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1002	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:22:00 - [110] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... That's a poor explanation at best. When the Ukrainians ousted their president they put in a president who is very pro west and anti east and is pretty open about that. There were talks in this new government to cancel the lease to the Russians allowing their ships in the black sea fleet to be stationed there. This lease was to last until 2042. The port in Crimea is a massive strategic port for the Russians and is what allows them to project power into the black sea, Mediterranean, and Indian ocean. It would be stupid for the Russians not to act, as they would either have to send billions of monies to the south of Russia to build a suitable port, or they would have to seriously reduce their black sea fleet if the lease was canceled. This is not the first time the Ukrainian government have tried to cancel The lease, and as important as the port is in Crimea I'm not surprised the Russians are trying to annex it. Though the people of Crimea seem quite content to join the Russian federation. The real question is what business does the united states have there? I'm sure its because of the same strategic port. The us doesn't want the Russians to have it for themselves. Though the us has pulled similar moves to the one Russia is taking with Crimea, so it's pretty ironic they are coming down so hard on them. I don't know much about what happened with Georgia back in 2009, I think the Russians grabbed a bunch of their land, like a third of it. Iqouod have to look into that one, however the situation in Crimea is understandable, that port is very important to the Russians.

dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 31	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:37:00 - [111] - Quote Good topic Now for the not so popular view As a proud American, I am ashamed of our leaders paying countries to be our allies ( Yes we give billions to them every year and more when we want them to do something we want) and sticking our noses in places that have no effect or impact on us. Lets get allies that are true allies and then stand by them, instead of playing politics and switching allegiances every other year. How many friends would you have if you acted like this at work? The world is not our playground, lets let them do what they want and if they threaten us then bomb them into the stone age and make countries responsible for their citizens and stop state sponsored terrorism. WE think that we are in control since we buy our allies and the world thinks we are bullies, but lets stop and think....we act like the nerd on the playground who gives his lunch money away to other kids to be his friends and then when he needs help he has to pay more to them. WE are not the bully we are being bullied by corrupt officials that are more worried about their own fortunes, special interest groups and corporate profits than our own citizens and their well being. A strong america is a safe america, lets take care of our citizens first and then the world. Why this view? I am tired of Americans giving their money for some charity work in some poor country that will stay poor no matter how much we give but when they see an American that needs help they pass them buy or not help. If everybody took care of their family, community, state and country first then we would be able to make a difference in the world. Don't misunderstand me I am for America and for helping people who need it, but we do not need to solve all the worlds problems.... it is arrogance to think we can and no one or no country can do that. Many have tried Great Britain, USSR, even the EU and what happens when the military is removed?? The problem is worse more killing more poverty. Intervention is not a lasting solution, it has never worked. Dismount soap box, just my 2 cents worth
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:21:00 - [112] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: axINVICTUSxa wrote: I could respect your opinion, until you called Obamacare fascism. Its just one issue and we can debate its merits and demerits but to call it fascism is either hyperbole taken to ridiculous heights or shows no understanding of what fascism is. Anyway, as far as Crimea, its none of my business, not my corner of the world. I don't care enough to inform myself enough to form an opinion. I don't think the UN has the power nor the ability to cut Russia off from the internet either so I doubt losing our Russian players because of sanctions is a worry. Comrade Zahle )) I did not call Obamacare Fascism. I said that Obamacare was a Fascist Attempt at Socialism--very different thing. If I did not, I correct myself. What I mean is that in itself Obamacare is very direct and forceful. No health insurance? Ok, pay a fine! What if you can't get health insurance no matter what? Buy Obamacare! You don't have much of a choice as to what to do, is what I mean. Kind of like being stuck between rock and a hard place... Hope this helps clarify! -Dmitri I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:13:00 - [113] - Quote Paul Peacemaker wrote: Paul, I am indeed quite confused as to who you are referring to, and I will assume that you are indeed an American. The American mindset is very good! Indeed it is. I have always admired Americans. And by this I mean the American Individual, the American work ethic, the American dream. What is left? Almost none of the ideals that made America great exist now in today's America. I look around me in the streets of LA and I see gang violence, reminiscent perhaps of the old days in Russia. I believe that perhaps the Russian people feel cheated. Many of us who have been exposed to both American and Russian propaganda, we feel cheated on both sides of the world. When my uncle first came to America, he sent me a letter back home telling me how friendly the people were, how hard working, and how much better they lived. That was true, then. Now it is a different story. I decided to follow my Uncle--it appears I missed the golden days because the America that I saw was not the America my uncle had told me. It was an America where the only person speaking the pledge of allegiance in a crowded room of natural-born Americans was an immigrant. It was an America where the only person respecting the great ideals of America, the great flag of America, the only person respecting and having pride in his new country, was me, a Russian, and a legal immigrant. It was an America where drugs slowly became more and more prevalent, filled with grumblers and people demanding handouts and other such entitlement. I often asked myself is this the America I came over to see? To find a reflection of the old Russia I had left behind? I returned to Russia recently to visit relatives. It has vastly improved since I last visited. Taxes were low, religious and freedom of speech. Corruption had already begun to slowly fall apart as the old system of Druzhiniki was re-established. Most of all we had a leader, Putin. Maybe a shrewd, cunning, snakish, more authoritan ruler--but a ruler nontheless. America should not be grossly generalized as fat, full, and lazy. Far from that, there is certainly much more to America than McDonalds, dozens and dozens of young teens bent over, staring at their Samsung Galaxies and iPhone 5's while they cross the street, surely more than the racism and ethnic hating I receive for being a Russian, surely more than the ignoranumuses who traverse around blasting around their mouths in gigantic suits who call themselves politicians. Surely America is more than the average teen who utilizes crude words in every sentence, with a vocabulary smaller than that of an immigrant who has lived fewer years in America than they have, surely more than the theoretical knowledge that America has over practical, applied knowledge, surely more than failed education systems and banks. Yes, the heart of America is still there, but it is hidden by a certain corruption, tainted by a single individual, or several up in the big, marble-columned house in Washington D.C. Putin himself stumbles as he speaks, makes his mistakes like any individual. Does he lie? Certainly. What shrewd politician does not? But do we stereotype, or hate, a country based on one man, the actions of a few, of a hundred, of a thousand, in almost perfect synechdoche of hundreds of millions of people? What exactly does that make us? If Russia stereotyped US entirely by Obama, the Average Russian's respect for US would be absolutely zero. What makes a country a home? Is it how much money, how much food, how much material wealth you have? Then I ask, is it not the warmth of the people, the strength of their hearts, and the vigor and passion they have? These values I find that the average American no longer has. I look around me and I find distress, anguish, amidst the abundance and wealth in America. And all of it is plagued with a large number we call a national debt. Do the same problems hit home in Russia? No! By no means. Russia has different problems. Russia has Putin. Likewise, America has Obama. Is it fair, and I am sure most will agree, that Russia is bad because Putin and America because Obama? In the end I say one thing: We should both take out the planks in each of our own eyes before we mutter any harsh word or stand blindly behind our own ideals. For right now one thing is clear--America is a beautiful nation, impurified by one. Russia is beautiful, alas impurified as well. I do not believe you are blind in your beliefs, however, I feel that many fellow Americans are. It saddened me greatly when, during the 2004 elections, I heard a group of men and women, when approached by some Obama voters, told that if they did not vote for Obama, they were racist. It saddened me more yet to hear from a group of young adults that they "voted for Obama just because he was black, a better speaker, and did I mention suave?" Even in Russia, amongst the drinks passed around the table at night, amongst the old traditions that hold still, talks of policies dominated voting. The Russian Congress has 5 parties that hold fair shares of seats, versus the US Congress of Two Parties. There always exists the ignorant. Let us two not be one of those ignorant, may I have an agreement in that? )) Besides, we are of the same alliance. If I seemingly contradict myself, it is possible I am under the influence, but more likely than not I have since changed my mind, open-minded and observing of all opinions. Please have a nice day! Sincerely, Dmitri Chuikov I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 203	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:29:00 - [114] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: We can always impose our own economic sanctions across dust and eve on any and all known Russian players. If Ccp tries to stop us they hate freedom. do you hate freedom Ccp? Okay, that one was good for a chuckle. What do you think about Ccp? More like CCCP am I right? It's always disturbed me that the dots in their logo could be linked to form another C. Coincidence?..... Okay, yeah, probably. Not new, just new to you.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4721	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:37:00 - [115] - Quote #TeamRussia If you ever need a bacon or taco refuel. I got you ;) Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4721	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:38:00 - [116] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: We can always impose our own economic sanctions across dust and eve on any and all known Russian players. If Ccp tries to stop us they hate freedom. do you hate freedom Ccp? Okay, that one was good for a chuckle. What do you think about Ccp? More like CCCP am I right? It's always disturbed me that the dots in their logo could be linked to form another C. Coincidence?..... Okay, yeah, probably. CCP stands for Crowd Control Productions 0.0 Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:44:00 - [117] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Yep i vote yes to kick russians out And who are u buddy? Setting up your unbiased democratic true and balanced ever tolerant standards... PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:45:00 - [118] - Quote C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Care to argument you * post? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:48:00 - [119] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What happened in Ukraine would in fact be in violation to the internation law unelss there was a precedent for this. Which there has been in Kosovo. Nuff said. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:48:00 - [120] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. Considering that we have the top navy in the world, unless china and russia somehow got all of their tanks and gear across the Bering Strait without us noticing I would say good luck invading the US mainland. And then once you got here there is a gun behind every blade of grass. And I don't think the sanctions that the US is imposing right now are the kind that would effect CCP. There are no trade embargoes as of yet just freezing of liquid assets held in the US of top government officials. No land seized or the confiscation of said liquidity. Although it does raise tensions a little bit reminiscent of the cold war era, which I am not a fan of returning too. We don't need a third civil war. if your talking about an American civil war, were long overdue for one. I am speaking based on our military strength, not the strength of all u.s citizens. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.

RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 249	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:51:00 - [121] - Quote Bumping for information. Is the sanction going to keep Russian players out of the game? Devs? We can pickle that.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:52:00 - [122] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:52:00 - [123] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Paul Peacemaker wrote: Paul, I am indeed quite confused as to who you are referring to, and I will assume that you are indeed an American. The American mindset is very good! Indeed it is. I have always admired Americans. And by this I mean the American Individual, the American work ethic, the American dream. What is left? Almost none of the ideals that made America great exist now in today's America. I look around me in the streets of LA and I see gang violence, reminiscent perhaps of the old days in Russia. I believe that perhaps the Russian people feel cheated. Many of us who have been exposed to both American and Russian propaganda, we feel cheated on both sides of the world. When my uncle first came to America, he sent me a letter back home telling me how friendly the people were, how hard working, and how much better they lived. That was true, then. Now it is a different story. I decided to follow my Uncle--it appears I missed the golden days because the America that I saw was not the America my uncle had told me. It was an America where the only person speaking the pledge of allegiance in a crowded room of natural-born Americans was an immigrant. It was an America where the only person respecting the great ideals of America, the great flag of America, the only person respecting and having pride in his new country, was me, a Russian, and a legal immigrant. It was an America where drugs slowly became more and more prevalent, filled with grumblers and people demanding handouts and other such entitlement. I often asked myself is this the America I came over to see? To find a reflection of the old Russia I had left behind? I returned to Russia recently to visit relatives. It has vastly improved since I last visited. Taxes were low, religious and freedom of speech. Corruption had already begun to slowly fall apart as the old system of Druzhiniki was re-established. Most of all we had a leader, Putin. Maybe a shrewd, cunning, snakish, more authoritan ruler--but a ruler nontheless. America should not be grossly generalized as fat, full, and lazy. Far from that, there is certainly much more to America than McDonalds, dozens and dozens of young teens bent over, staring at their Samsung Galaxies and iPhone 5's while they cross the street, surely more than the racism and ethnic hating I receive for being a Russian, surely more than the ignoranumuses who traverse around blasting around their mouths in gigantic suits who call themselves politicians. Surely America is more than the average teen who utilizes crude words in every sentence, with a vocabulary smaller than that of an immigrant who has lived fewer years in America than they have, surely more than the theoretical knowledge that America has over practical, applied knowledge, surely more than failed education systems and banks. Yes, the heart of America is still there, but it is hidden by a certain corruption, tainted by a single individual, or several up in the big, marble-columned house in Washington D.C. Putin himself stumbles as he speaks, makes his mistakes like any individual. Does he lie? Certainly. What shrewd politician does not? But do we stereotype, or hate, a country based on one man, the actions of a few, of a hundred, of a thousand, in almost perfect synechdoche of hundreds of millions of people? What exactly does that make us? If Russia stereotyped US entirely by Obama, the Average Russian's respect for US would be absolutely zero. What makes a country a home? Is it how much money, how much food, how much material wealth you have? Then I ask, is it not the warmth of the people, the strength of their hearts, and the vigor and passion they have? These values I find that the average American no longer has. I look around me and I find distress, anguish, amidst the abundance and wealth in America. And all of it is plagued with a large number we call a national debt. Do the same problems hit home in Russia? No! By no means. Russia has different problems. Russia has Putin. Likewise, America has Obama. Is it fair, and I am sure most will agree, that Russia is bad because Putin and America because Obama? In the end I say one thing: We should both take out the planks in each of our own eyes before we mutter any harsh word or stand blindly behind our own ideals. For right now one thing is clear--America is a beautiful nation, impurified by one. Russia is beautiful, alas impurified as well. I do not believe you are blind in your beliefs, however, I feel that many fellow Americans are. It saddened me greatly when, during the 2004 elections, I heard a group of men and women, when approached by some Obama voters, told that if they did not vote for Obama, they were racist. It saddened me more yet to hear from a group of young adults that they "voted for Obama just because he was black, a better speaker, and did I mention suave?" Even in Russia, amongst the drinks passed around the table at night, amongst the old traditions that hold still, talks of policies dominated voting. The Russian Congress has 5 parties that hold fair shares of seats, versus the US Congress of Two Parties. There always exists the ignorant. Let us two not be one of those ignorant, may I have an agreement in that? )) Besides, we are of the same alliance. If I seemingly contradict myself, it is possible I am under the influence, but more likely than not I have since changed my mind, open-minded and observing of all opinions. Please have a nice day! Sincerely, Dmitri Chuikov this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:54:00 - [124] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? Russia did invade according to the media, you have to look at both sides to see if its an invasion or a reclamation. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:55:00 - [125] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: a fun strategy i heard: start putting some of the strategic oil reserve onto the market gas prices get cheaper for everyone, and the collective price drop really hurts russia's economy (up to 10% of its gpd, which is massive) and considering how huge the SOR is, we could keep this up for 14 years, YEARS And then what? What's gonna happen after the strategic reserves run out? Buy from Venezuela? for $300 a barrel? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 06:48:00 - [126] - Quote Paul Peacemaker wrote: Harpyja wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. The US had no right to be in and mess with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Russia has every right to be in Crimea. Russian majority, strong cultural ties, and the Crimeans even overwhelmingly voted to be annexed by Russia. Western propoganda is nothing but Western propoganda. Take a look at some videos of what really happened during the riots in Kiev, Ukraine. Riot police forming defensive lines while the protestors throw Molotov cocktails at them, beat them with clubs and metal poles, even threatening to run a bulldozer through one police line. They were even destroying the roads to use their bricks as projectiles to throw at the riot police. Are these protestors civilized people we want in a newly installed government? And don't forget that this was a coup d'+¬tat which is technically illegal under the UN charter and the new government is a "government of the victors," not a democratically chosen government. Russian people in Ukraine have every right to ask Russia for help. And the West has absolutely no right to tell Russia otherwise. Well, I have read some amazing article about this. Basically, America is always trying to beat Russia one way or another. And it has a very interesting way of doing it. CIA funded Alkaida, and many other coups. You know why? Because... China. Let me explain. Syberia has some awesome resources that China needs. They are very resource dependent and they suck them up like a sponge. So America is slowly making their way towards Russia, by placing their military bases closer and closer, and trying to deny Russia anything that they can without causing a storm. Now ,every time China was close to acquiring something useful, some stuff would happen that would not allow them to get the resources. They are starting to get desperate and that is exactly what US wants - for China to start looking into Syberia, since it's so incredibly close and has ALL the stuff they need. USA was trying to get rid of Russia's power for tens of years now. Does it seem brutal? Yes. But I approve. My countryr (Poland) is close to Russia. They were always affecting my country one way or another. A lot of people don't know how crazy the russians are, how horrible. My girlfriend's grand grand mother told her an interesting story from the WWII. We were pretty much occupied by both Germany and Russia, and what that old lady said was that when Germans were coming to her farm, they would always be clean, washed, smelled good and were polite. Now, when Russians used to come to the farm, they'd be absolutely filthy, smelled like , did not even ask for permission to take anything from the farm and they were abusive. This is a good example of how the whole Russia treats other people. This country is a mess, in a huge debt and is one big mafia. Russia should never be in power of anything. They will destroy it, suck it out of all the money and profits so a couple of politicians can stuff their wallets. They were ruthless during Stalin's rule, they were ruthless before that, and they are known for stuffing their citizens throats with propaganda. Some of you have no idea how that country is. I wish I didn't have to live near it. We grow up reading books about Russification (occupation where we can't speak another language other than Russian, where the intelligent Polish people were often killed to try and make the country dumber), gulags, Katyn disaster and so on. They have a history of being liars, backstabbers, filthy alcoholics that HAVE TO BE STOPPED one way or another. So, even though America is doing something very mean and I do not fully approve, I think it is necessary to finally start getting rid of the evil. Fine example of a Polish patriot. "USA is using brutal unfair tactics against Russia but I approve because I'd rather be robbed by good smelling ** who gas Jews than 'dirty' Russians who smell". This is what Europe is becoming Ladies and Gentlemen - one big Poland. Edit: ppl should be penalized when they openly express sympathy for Fascists. On the bright side, there is no need for penalty for ignorance - it's a gift that keeps on giving. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 06:55:00 - [127] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Hi.tler invaded some countries that used to be part of Germany before WW1. Your argument is invalid. Oh yeah, who the hell said I was from the US. Im british. So stop giving me US examples. Oh yea, Mother England invaded some countries that were never even part of England... Go figure... PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 375	Posted - 2014.03.22 06:56:00 - [128] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: C Saunders wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. Considering that we have the top navy in the world, unless china and russia somehow got all of their tanks and gear across the Bering Strait without us noticing I would say good luck invading the US mainland. And then once you got here there is a gun behind every blade of grass. And I don't think the sanctions that the US is imposing right now are the kind that would effect CCP. There are no trade embargoes as of yet just freezing of liquid assets held in the US of top government officials. No land seized or the confiscation of said liquidity. Although it does raise tensions a little bit reminiscent of the cold war era, which I am not a fan of returning too. We don't need a third civil war. if your talking about an American civil war, were long overdue for one. I am speaking based on our military strength, not the strength of all u.s citizens. I am talking about the world community at large. We are all one race, the human one, therefore any wars that should or might happen are civil wars. We should not be fighting each other, we should be at a point in our existence where we are pooling together all of our scientific and natural resources for one thing, expansion into the known universe. There is a planned manned mars mission in the works right now, at the same time though we are squabbling over whose imaginary friend is better and where country lines are drawn. This is so backwards to me that I can't even express it in words. It maddens me to the core how so much wealth of the world is concentrated into hands that will bind us in chains, instead of fuel our escape into the next form of being. You want to know the most true apocalyptic future? It is not zombies, or aliens or anything else that science fiction writers have fascinated us with. It is religious re~tards with their one track backwards thinking and weapons beyond their understanding or knowledge that are going to doom us. Why is this going to happen? Because the book written 2000 years ago says it must. I see it everyday, and it brings a song to my mind everytime. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5SXfui9kig
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:05:00 - [129] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? Russia did invade according to the media, you have to look at both sides to see if its an invasion or a reclamation. What about the referendum? That never happened? The ppl of Crimea have no choince in the matter? Only the ** so-called Govrnment of Ukraine, that no one voted for, should have a say? Any comments? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:13:00 - [130] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... That's a poor explanation at best. When the Ukrainians ousted their president they put in a president who is very pro west and anti east and is pretty open about that. There were talks in this new government to cancel the lease to the Russians allowing their ships in the black sea fleet to be stationed there. This lease was to last until 2042. The port in Crimea is a massive strategic port for the Russians and is what allows them to project power into the black sea, Mediterranean, and Indian ocean. It would be stupid for the Russians not to act, as they would either have to send billions of monies to the south of Russia to build a suitable port, or they would have to seriously reduce their black sea fleet if the lease was canceled. This is not the first time the Ukrainian government have tried to cancel The lease, and as important as the port is in Crimea I'm not surprised the Russians are trying to annex it. Though the people of Crimea seem quite content to join the Russian federation. The real question is what business does the united states have there? I'm sure its because of the same strategic port. The us doesn't want the Russians to have it for themselves. Though the us has pulled similar moves to the one Russia is taking with Crimea, so it's pretty ironic they are coming down so hard on them. I don't know much about what happened with Georgia back in 2009, I think the Russians grabbed a bunch of their land, like a third of it. Iqouod have to look into that one, however the situation in Crimea is understandable, that port is very important to the Russians. Sure... but who cares about sound arguments... They are OP and should be banned. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 375	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:27:00 - [131] - Quote http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/Shaunessy/Criminal_zps0f0a5c90.jpg Anyone that say it was needed for Russia to project power into the black sea is fooling themselves. Russia enjoys a long border with the black sea. Infact the latest Olympics, held by Russia, is right on the black sea as witnessed in this pic here. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/Shaunessy/sochi_zpsd148e2b5.jpg So what was your argument again?
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 98	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:34:00 - [132] - Quote Well give Putin a PS3 and let them discuss that in a round of Dust514. The winner can take the crimea. ..As long as he can defend it in Dust. If all conflicts would be solved by games. The real world would be much smater. ...Maybe
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 407	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:34:00 - [133] - Quote Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 375	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:49:00 - [134] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans You know what is funny. Rambo III. Remember that scene when Colonel Sam Trautman was talking about how America already had their Vietnam. Yeah search for it on youtube. It doesn't exist anymore. I find that funny, it won't be long until Rambo III is oh 10 minutes shorter in public release here in the states.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 375	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:51:00 - [135] - Quote History is not written with facts. Only words that the ruling class wishes you to read.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2014.03.22 08:14:00 - [136] - Quote Letter from Putin Good to see you. And allow us to congratulate you on the last referendum in your lives. Further "declarations of intent" will not be permitted. You simply will not get to choose again - never, and nothing. Never and nothing. Not even the color of the borders of your own backyard. Commit it to memory right away. Second, you can say goodbye to your television. Good bye live broadcasts, talk shows and debate shows. Hello smearings, dead bodies, freaks and jokes about pee and genitals. Propaganda instead of news, hardcore! Special broadcasts with Putin's eternal monologues. Thirdly: conscription army. A separate chapter. During the 23 years since the fall of the USSR, you have obviously forgotten what occupation means when your children are called up for military service. But it doesn't matter. You will remember. Especially when your children in our - sorry, I mean your - army begin to die from diseases that young people elsewhere in the world have not died from in a hundred years. Pneumonia, for example. Accustomed to Crimea terrain, they may serve on the island of Kunasjir in the Pacific. It might be a good idea to take a look at what the "Caucasus force" has tattooed on their shaved heads. By the way, here is a link that you can write down right away: http://mright.hro.org. It links to the Mother's Right Foundation who for twenty years have supported the families of killed servicemen. Only last year they helped 2,465 families. Speaking of dead servicemen, 20 percent were suicide, 20 were percent "forced suicide", 25 percent diseases and 5 percent due to physical abuse. But as the song goes, "Do not cry, my giiirl!" And yes, in Russia, the pension for disabled soldier mothers amounts to 40 dollars a month when the breadwinner dies. You heard right. In a few years, it is you who will get it. Welcome to our justice system. Speaking of justice: it is far too long a story, so I'll just remind you of this: to incite hatred against religious people, offend believers' feelings, publicly defend terrorism (i.e. comments on Facebook), extremist statements, slander, all of this falls under the Criminal Code. To deny history, prevent citizens from taking a stroll, gather more than five people without a permit, behaving immorally, for all this - and much, much more! - the police administers justice on the spot. Well, apparently, you have already become acquainted with our Cossacks . Good looking guys, right? And yet it is nothing, nothing. You have not seen our priests yet. By the way, there is an on going federal program to increase spirituality in the population and strengthen the spiritual ties under the motto "A church on every plot." Where you thought you would get a daycare or a road junction - you'll get a church. Yes, it's like that at my house - outside my window they are building one right now, instead of repairing the traffic lights. There are queues every morning, but never mind the junction! We need a church and nothing more. Well, just forget it, you will understand for yourselves in due time. Ah, I almost forgot: you will of course pay the bill for the construction - as surely as amen in the church. The City Administration in Elektrostal, who came up with this spiritual innovation, will teach you how it works. Well, now that we're on the subject of bills. We have a large housing reform in the works. Ten years and counting. And the next lap is just coming up. So soon, the rent of your apartment will be increased to over 800 dollars a month. And then, all the benefits! You have probably already received financial compensation for the withdrawal of your benefits? Have you not? I see... I'm actually jealous of you. So many interesting discoveries await you! By the way, exercises on the theme "disperse gatherings of disgruntled pensioners", our Dzerzjinskij division conducted those five years ago already. Rest assured that they will be happy to share their experiences with your Berkut unit. But small matters like the confiscation of the best locations for palaces and mansions, the redistribution of business - all of them! - demolitions and arson against apartment buildings in order to build shopping centers and so on, and so on, and so on, well, I will not go into that. Nor tax offices, health centers, fire stations, prosecutors' offices, police stations, security service's local offices, municipal administrations and so on, and so on, and so on. You get most of you income from tourism down there, right? Oh, forget all about that that, just forget it. This is what we call "bad dreaming business". Forget that too. You will get used to it. Oh yes, speaking of tourism - you have hotels, right? Right on the coast? On the whole Crimea? Nevermind, nevermind. Soon there will no longer any hotels right on the coast in Crimea. But there will be a wonderful dacha for Governor Aleksandr Tkatjov! A dacha for Defence, Sergei Sjojgu! Dachas for all senators! Dachas ate all the deputies! Dachas for all the generals! And after them the whole Central Committee and all the prosecutors! Just think of all the yachts that will anchor at all private piers! Just think of all the enclosures will be built on your sea front! You will have to be content with the municipal beach in Sevastopol. By the way, I recommend that you learn the advertising slogans "You have many, I have one!" and "A cash register for all!" of the Russian postal service, Sberbank, the pensioners insurance fund, social services - it's all yours. Congrats. Ah, that's right, yes: Sberbank, the savings bank. Again, you are in incredible luck - they have just launched a new round of pension reforms. Before, no could figure out how to calculate the pensions, and now makes it even less sense - if at all there will be any. "More to come" War never changes
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2014.03.22 08:17:00 - [137] - Quote Cont letter from Putin You might as well learn two additional concepts: CTO, which stands for Counter Terror Operation, and hexogen. This is important. For real. And in future, try to avoid places with other people, train stations, airports - well, especially train stations and airports - bus stations, markets, concerts and crowds in general. If you still have to fly, make sure to be at the airport three hours in advance. At each entrance, there will be check points. Better not joke with the guards. Shave off your beard. Lighten your hair. Turn your pockets inside out and let them frisk you when they tell you. Never - never! - leave home without identification documents. Yes, don't forget sanctions from our international friends, that is to say, our new enemies. You guys are in Russia now. And then a few tiny matters. Well, a bunch of them, really: It is prohibited to protest in Russia. It is prohibited to resist the unlawful arrest and unlawful detention. It is prohibited for regions to be autonomous. It is forbidden to leave the Russian federation. Separatism is prohibited. It is prohibited for foreigners to adopt Russian children. It is prohibited to propagate homosexuality. It is prohibited for Madonna and Lady Gaga to perform. It is prohibited to put up unauthorized posters. The television network Dozjd is prohibited. Any day now, online money will be prohibited. Prices in Moscow is twice as high as in Kiev. On everything. And, finally, for us (and now also for you), it is forbidden to sell alcohol from eleven at night till eight in the morning. The Sobriety Act, you see. War never changes
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 375	Posted - 2014.03.22 08:59:00 - [138] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxK5V7WhA8
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1333	Posted - 2014.03.22 10:41:00 - [139] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: axINVICTUSxa wrote: I could respect your opinion, until you called Obamacare fascism. Its just one issue and we can debate its merits and demerits but to call it fascism is either hyperbole taken to ridiculous heights or shows no understanding of what fascism is. Anyway, as far as Crimea, its none of my business, not my corner of the world. I don't care enough to inform myself enough to form an opinion. I don't think the UN has the power nor the ability to cut Russia off from the internet either so I doubt losing our Russian players because of sanctions is a worry. Comrade Zahle )) I did not call Obamacare Fascism. I said that Obamacare was a Fascist Attempt at Socialism--very different thing. If I did not, I correct myself. What I mean is that in itself Obamacare is very direct and forceful. No health insurance? Ok, pay a fine! What if you can't get health insurance no matter what? Buy Obamacare! You don't have much of a choice as to what to do, is what I mean. Kind of like being stuck between rock and a hard place... Hope this helps clarify! -Dmitri I don't wish to try to start anything, but last I heard the fine was put on permanent suspension. You still have to report whether or not you are subject to the fine when you do your taxes, but it's implementation is supposedly on hold for the forseeable future. Also, "Obamacare" isn't a healthcare plan. It's a term given by the right-wing to the Affordable Care Act, which is a bill that was passed into law. The law constructed a marketplace in which healthcare providers from all across the country can compete for your business. Before the Affordable Care Act, insurance companies were only allowed to operate within their areas. In the process of setting up this marketplace, they laid out a set of rules so insurance companies can't trick people into paying for insanely bad healthcare packages. It get's a lot more complex from there, but basically that's a fair summary of it's function. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1333	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:03:00 - [140] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.

Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 340	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:39:00 - [141] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I wonder if Russia will lose veto power in UN security council for violations Only if they vote to give it up, which just goes to show how ****** up having permanent members in the UNSC is.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1449	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:47:00 - [142] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: This is a game, the crimea crisis is about politics... I don't see a connection. The only prob would be people paying over blocked credit cards... if you were informed you would see the connection look up government sanction against russia over crimea i had not thought about it steady but it would be simply terrible for all the russian dusters to leave :( A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1449	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:52:00 - [143] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? i mean seriously crimea did choose to be a part of russia again. A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1113	Posted - 2014.03.22 13:10:00 - [144] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: ** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong. Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west. The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough. By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is? I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. People want America to intervene in world events and others want America to not intervene world events. Not just the people here but around the world. There will be people saying screw America because we're not helping or because we are. If we were to simply just isolate ourselves from the world except our straight-forward allies, people would QQ. If we would act like the world police, like we still do at times, people will QQ. --- I don't see how this affects the game btw OP I want Americans to stand up for their constitution (Which is being eroded day by day) and for them to stick true to their principles. Go look at people like Ron Paul. He stands for the Realness, the 'old times' America which is gone now. The America that was a beacon of freedom for the world, not the globalist policemen where corporations reign supreme. If the American people can't take back what they rightfully should have then I want nothing to do with them. Actually ** all powers and superpowers, I want Humanity to retake this world in the name of freedom. We need a huge revolution world wide! Do what the French did and guillotine all of the corrupt immoral leaders that infest our planet. Investigate 9/11
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 780	Posted - 2014.03.22 13:26:00 - [145] - Quote All these politics are making folks get more antsy than they need to be on a video game forum. So lets debate things that really matter like tastes great vs less filling, copenhagen or kodiak snuff, which pony is the best pony, and last but not least, is justin bieber an alien or not?
Leonid Tybalt Heaven's-Gate 329	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:11:00 - [146] - Quote C Saunders wrote: **** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Unlike the Americans, who have a right to be pretty much anywhere they please while "safeguarding American interests", right?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:14:00 - [147] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/Shaunessy/Criminal_zps0f0a5c90.jpg Anyone that say it was needed for Russia to project power into the black sea is fooling themselves. Russia enjoys a long border with the black sea. Infact the latest Olympics, held by Russia, is right on the black sea as witnessed in this pic here. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/Shaunessy/sochi_zpsd148e2b5.jpg So what was your argument again? Sevastopol is THE Russian naval Base on the Black Sea. It has been that for 200+ years. This is where countless Russian heroes fought and died for ages to protect their country and their ppl. It's definitely not a question of money but even economically, packing up and leaving to spend Billions building another military port was not acceptable. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:16:00 - [148] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 780	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:22:00 - [149] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that?
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1998	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:24:00 - [150] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side**, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? i mean seriously crimea did choose to be a part of russia again. Only fter Russia dropped in thousands of paratroopers and ferried tanks across the strait of kerch. No big deal. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Big Popa Smurff The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1014	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:25:00 - [151] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? If you believe that... Original AFK Hunter
Leonid Tybalt Heaven's-Gate 329	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:26:00 - [152] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? And that makes it okay to invade an entire country simply becsuse you are after ONE guy? The Russians aren't doing anything now that the americans haven't done over and over for the past hundred years. Complaining about the russians while not saying a peep about the US is pretty ******* hypocritical to say the least.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:48:00 - [153] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Cont letter from Putin You might as well learn two additional concepts: CTO, which stands for Counter Terror Operation, and hexogen. This is important. For real. And in future, try to avoid places with other people, train stations, airports - well, especially train stations and airports - bus stations, markets, concerts and crowds in general. If you still have to fly, make sure to be at the airport three hours in advance. At each entrance, there will be check points. Better not joke with the guards. Shave off your beard. Lighten your hair. Turn your pockets inside out and let them frisk you when they tell you. Never - never! - leave home without identification documents. Yes, don't forget sanctions from our international friends, that is to say, our new enemies. You guys are in Russia now. And then a few tiny matters. Well, a bunch of them, really: It is prohibited to protest in Russia. It is prohibited to resist the unlawful arrest and unlawful detention. It is prohibited for regions to be autonomous. It is forbidden to leave the Russian federation. Separatism is prohibited. It is prohibited for foreigners to adopt Russian children. It is prohibited to propagate homosexuality. It is prohibited for Madonna and Lady Gaga to perform. It is prohibited to put up unauthorized posters. The television network Dozjd is prohibited. Any day now, online money will be prohibited. Prices in Moscow is twice as high as in Kiev. On everything. And, finally, for us (and now also for you), it is forbidden to sell alcohol from eleven at night till eight in the morning. The Sobriety Act, you see. u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:15:00 - [154] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? And you fail to mention why Soviets were there.... You see how things are sorta symmetric here. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 3	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:26:00 - [155] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me. Corporate Conservative, maybe he is one. But from my observations he is most definitely not a fiscal conservative. A look at our debt, yes, and you will see the difference between him and Putin. The reforms Putin makes and the reforms Obama makes--starkly different. I apologize earlier for not using the correct term, Affordable Care Act. Quite simply, I don't think it deserves that name. For a lot of people I know, as well as myself, it isn't affordable. In this case, I see no logic to say that it is, and lie to myself I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 3	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:29:00 - [156] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite? Comrade Ludvig Enraga, I am pretty confident Piraten is just trying to satirize Comrade Putin's and the government's more authoritarian stance... I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:30:00 - [157] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? i mean seriously crimea did choose to be a part of russia again. Only fter Russia dropped in thousands of paratroopers and ferried tanks across the strait of kerch. No big deal. Where do you get your info? Even all WESTERN media unanimously accept that the referendum reflected the will of the people. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:31:00 - [158] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite? Comrade Ludvig Enraga, I am pretty confident Piraten is just trying to satirize Comrade Putin's and the government's more authoritarian stance... Yeah... that's why I said he is a clown... so... PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 3	Posted - 2014.03.22 15:31:00 - [159] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Only fter Russia dropped in thousands of paratroopers and ferried tanks across the strait of kerch. No big deal. Those were navy infantry forces, not the VDV. If it was the VDV then Russia truly would have been going for war. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4729	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:20:00 - [160] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: ** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong. Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west. The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough. By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is? I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. People want America to intervene in world events and others want America to not intervene world events. Not just the people here but around the world. There will be people saying screw America because we're not helping or because we are. If we were to simply just isolate ourselves from the world except our straight-forward allies, people would QQ. If we would act like the world police, like we still do at times, people will QQ. --- I don't see how this affects the game btw OP I want Americans to stand up for their constitution (Which is being eroded day by day) and for them to stick true to their principles. Go look at people like Ron Paul. He stands for the Realness, the 'old times' America which is gone now. The America that was a beacon of freedom for the world, not the globalist policemen where corporations reign supreme. If the American people can't take back what they rightfully should have then I want nothing to do with them. Actually ** all powers and superpowers, I want Humanity to retake this world in the name of freedom. We need a huge revolution world wide! Do what the French did and guillotine all of the corrupt immoral leaders that infest our planet. Ron Paul is my hero! He doesn't give a crap about big government, being a police state internationally, or big business. And it's sad that people don't support him because he doesn't totally want to screw over either Liberals or Conservatives. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat

SPESHULz The Southern Legion 61	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:42:00 - [161] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Last point ita easy to point the figure when the tanks are not on your border and nut jobs are not romming the streets threating you if you vote incorrectly Russias are bulles i dislike them because the ones that live on my street in London have tried to mug me more than once for example. Obviously the most appropriate response would be to take away all thier tanks and not let duna buy anymore. If ccp went further it wouldnt be balanced. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Eruditus 920 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:07:00 - [162] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... That is an ignorant argument. It has happened before using that same excuse/pretext with the ** annexation of austria, the Anschluss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 780	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:36:00 - [163] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? And you fail to mention why Soviets were there.... You see how things are sorta symmetric here. The Soviets went there to prop up the government of Afghanistan. They were not attacked by a terrorist group prior to their invasion. The U.S was. But, I guess you are one of those conspiracy nuts that believes, the US blew the World Trade Center itself.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1337	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:29:00 - [164] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me. Corporate Conservative, maybe he is one. But from my observations he is most definitely not a fiscal conservative. A look at our debt, yes, and you will see the difference between him and Putin. The reforms Putin makes and the reforms Obama makes--starkly different. I apologize earlier for not using the correct term, Affordable Care Act. Quite simply, I don't think it deserves that name. For a lot of people I know, as well as myself, it isn't affordable. In this case, I see no logic to say that it is, and lie to myself Fiscal conservatism is all about cutting government spending and reallocating government money to where it is needed (not trying to insult your intelligence by over-explaining it, just trying to be thorough for the sake of other readers). I'm not saying Obama is a fiscally conservative, I'm pointing out that he is far more fiscally conservative than our last president (who was supposed to be, by definition as a conservative, fiscally conservative). All of our last several presidents however have been corporatists. Apart from the Bush's, they were all in fact fiscally conservative corporatists. The problem with corporatism is that they take all the money they save from cutting the budget and funnel 90% of it into either subsidies for companies who contributed for their campaign's or to the defense budget (which is a round-about way of funneling money to corporations who profit off of war by making weapons/ammunition/fatigues/etc.). Bush expanded the US government immensely while he was in office and Obama steadily shrunk it his entire first term in office. The deficit we are currently in is a result of Bush's government & military expansion and poor financial choices, topped off by the war we were so stupidly led by the nose into. Just about every right-wing news organization in the country goes on and on about how much the deficit is growing every day, but that's nothing but rhetoric. People don't realize it because you can't see it by just looking around, but the budget deficit has gone from 10 percent of GDP in 2009 -- when Obama first took office -- to about 4 percent of GDP in 2013. Here's a chart of what the deficit has looked like over the years Obama has been in office. The second graph shows the deficit in dollar amount from 2009-2014, and the third graph shows the deficit as a percent of GDP over the same time span. I have no love for Obama, I dislike 90% of the crap he does in office, but he HAS been digging us out of the hole the republicans left us in (and if you notice, every time one has been in office over the last 50 years, they ALWAYS leave us in a deficit) in 2009. And he has made healthcare available to everyone in the country and forced the healthcare providers of the country to charge fair rates. He also has prevented them from cutting off your services because you try to get treated for a pre-existing condition. The subsidies that are in place for it may not help you in particular, but there are many families out there who have been unable to find work or who have multiple kids and cannot find sufficient work to support them that are helped immensely by them. I myself am disabled and due to that am unable to find work, and I'm being greatly helped by it. My new coverage is only costing me $20 a month and that's less than I was paying for my Medicare premiums (which were $110 a month). As for Putin's political savvy and financial prowess, I cannot say. I know nothing of the man other than he hunts topless and really likes guns. Does he do things better than Obama? I'd love to be filled in on how he runs things (me=politics nerd) Obamacare isn't anywhere near perfect, but it is an important first step towards reforming healthcare laws in the US and providing healthcare for everyone. One last thing most people didn't know in case you are curious, John Boehnor and the rest of his ilk in Congress refused to pass the Affordable Care Act unless Obama agreed to adding in that individual mandate that everyone hates (you know, the part that makes healthcare mandatory for everyone). They also tossed in a few other things, can't remember for the life of me what they were though... And thank you for the polite political discussion, I very much enjoy this. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4021	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:31:00 - [165] - Quote All I can say is.... Shots fired...pop pop Commando sees scout loses his mind
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1339	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:48:00 - [166] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: [quote=Roy Ventus][quote=CommanderBolt]I want Americans to stand up for their constitution (Which is being eroded day by day) and for them to stick true to their principles. Go look at people like Ron Paul. He stands for the Realness, the 'old times' America which is gone now. The America that was a beacon of freedom for the world, not the globalist policemen where corporations reign supreme. If the American people can't take back what they rightfully should have then I want nothing to do with them. Actually **** all powers and superpowers, I want Humanity to retake this world in the name of freedom. We need a huge revolution world wide! Do what the French did and guillotine all of the corrupt immoral leaders that infest our planet. Ron Paul is my hero! He doesn't give a crap about big government, being a police state internationally, or big business. And it's sad that people don't support him because he doesn't totally want to screw over either Liberals or Conservatives. @Bolt: The "Old Times" America? The one that wrote the Constitution? Beacon of Freedom? You mean that one where they inslaved millians of Africans and only just freed them around 150 years ago and has a government in place that allows many of it's states to still treat them like 2nd class citizens? That America? Which principles exactly are you referring to being eroded? I suppose that would be the best place to start the conversation on that subject, because most of the principles I see being eroded are backwards bigoted ideals. Not to say all of the ideals we stood for are bad, and not to say that all of the ones we are loosing are bad ones, but I need to know your starting point before I can understand the end result you are aiming for. @Both of you: Ron Paul had some fantastic ideas and would have set many good things in motion, not the least of which was to bring every soldier home and close up shop overseas, but many of his policies would have ended life as you know it. An easy example is the extent to which he would have deregulated corporations, meaning any food you bought could have anything in it and you would never know about it until you ended up in the hospital with an incurable liver disease or brain deformity. The poor amount of bank regulations right now is bad enough, but if they were to be completely unregulated the economy would collapse over night. The core policies of libertarians sound really good on paper, but in practice many of them would be an absolute nightmare. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1339	Posted - 2014.03.22 20:51:00 - [167] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: C Saunders wrote: ** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... That is an ignorant argument. It has happened before using that same excuse/pretext with the ** annexation of austria, the Anschluss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss I made no argument.... I was actually filling people in on both sides about what was happening. But if you want to take it as an argument for one side or the other, go ahead. I'm tired of telling people that this was an informative post and not an opinion post... MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1077	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:06:00 - [168] - Quote @Baal you should join BCG pub channel and squad up with Volgair and I sometime, if I can get him back on Dust ever. We have some fun discussions of history and politics while grinding pubs. Since the thread devolved into a discussion of American politics, can you imagine what the Republican party of today would day about Eisenhower. They call Obama a socialist, to them that old school republican would be some sort of communist nightmare Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 951	Posted - 2014.03.22 21:56:00 - [169] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? And you fail to mention why Soviets were there.... You see how things are sorta symmetric here. The Soviets went there to prop up the government of Afghanistan. They were not attacked by a terrorist group prior to their invasion. The U.S was. But, I guess you are one of those conspiracy nuts that believes, the US blew the World Trade Center itself. putting words in my mouth now.... interesting. You may remember that Bin Laden was found and killed in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. Also, funny story, the Soviets were fighting Bin Laden in Afghanistan. But I guess this truth is sorta inconvenient to you. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 436	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:26:00 - [170] - Quote Once we stopped the Natzis. If they rise up again - we're still here. We do not need to take anything - we have everything. Thanks to everyone who understands. ...sorry for bad English =)

axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 5	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:36:00 - [171] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Fiscal conservatism is all about cutting government spending and reallocating government money to where it is needed (not trying to insult your intelligence by over-explaining it, just trying to be thorough for the sake of other readers). I'm not saying Obama is a fiscally conservative, I'm pointing out that he is far more fiscally conservative than our last president (who was supposed to be, by definition as a conservative, fiscally conservative). All of our last several presidents however have been corporatists. Apart from the Bush's, they were all in fact fiscally conservative corporatists. The problem with corporatism is that they take all the money they save from cutting the budget and funnel 90% of it into either subsidies for companies who contributed for their campaign's or to the defense budget (which is a round-about way of funneling money to corporations who profit off of war by making weapons/ammunition/fatigues/etc.). Bush expanded the US government immensely while he was in office and Obama steadily shrunk it his entire first term in office. The deficit we are currently in is a result of Bush's government & military expansion and poor financial choices, topped off by the war we were so stupidly led by the nose into. Just about every right-wing news organization in the country goes on and on about how much the deficit is growing every day, but that's nothing but rhetoric. People don't realize it because you can't see it by just looking around, but the budget deficit has gone from 10 percent of GDP in 2009 -- when Obama first took office -- to about 4 percent of GDP in 2013. Here's a chart of what the deficit has looked like over the years Obama has been in office. The second graph shows the deficit in dollar amount from 2009-2014, and the third graph shows the deficit as a percent of GDP over the same time span. Comrade, I thank you for your opinion. However, I found several interesting things in your argument. First, I love how you label that conservatives must be this, conservatives must be that, and yet there is a doublestandard applied here--nothing is "labeled" of the liberals, the Democrats. So the Democrats can be Conservative and the Republicans can't be liberal? Quite interesting. Then again, it is double standard that got Obama into office so I guess I have fair proof. Secondly, and this being highly subjective/objective, I view things from the large picture viewpoint. Decreasing deficit spending is good, but if there is still deficit spending it isn't. We are still accounting for the 17 trillion + that continues to grow, that looms over the American head like a monstrous devil. Third, the image/chart you provided has nothing to do with the national debt and everything to do with the yearly budget. Doesn't change the fact, of course, that we still owe the 17 trillion, does it? I must admit I'm glad Obama has done SOMETHING over these past 6 years, what I am saying is it isn't enough. This is my problem, and I am by no means criticizing you or your financial situation, but like so many middle-class Americans, these subsidies are not going to benefit us. In fact, we are paying more taxes to cover your butt. Does it make sense that 75%+, the majority of America, must suffer for the poorer classes? What is worse is that American work ethic is at an all time low. I am sorry for you as you are disabled, and for people like you I understand subsidies should go to you. I believe, in fact, that subsidies should ONLY aid the weak, the elderly, the disabled, the widows. After all, it says in the Bible that we should help the widows and those unabled to take care of themselves. But able-bodied families, able-bodied men, people who can work--they have no excuse. I don't mind breaking my bank for those who cannot, but those that can, can die in a hole in my honest opinion. That is the great thing about Russia. That doesn't happen there. I did not come from Russia to America to pay for those who do not work. I came to work with those who work great, the American spirit of labor has been inspirational for many Russians. Let me tell you we Russians are exceptionally lazy. If we find something that works, we use it, and look for something better. That is why we advanced our technologies, copied, improved, invented, and utilized what was at hand first, rather than growing without a care. I think thats the difference between US Special Forces and RU Special Forces. In the Russian army I was taught to survive in the woods, the wild (although I did participate in Special Forces training and this is more of a SpecOps thing) to shoot quickly and aim accurately even on the go. In the US we have optics and other fancy technologies to assist us. Russian weapons are dumb--nothing smart about them. What makes them powerful is the person wielding the gun. Rely on skill rather than technology--that is the heart of Russian special forces. Make our weapons work despite being soaked in water, filled with sand, clogged in humid environments--the AK-103 still works, still stands. Should an EMP occur, there goes American weapons and tech while our Russians can still use our weaponry. We fight for those who cannot fight. That is why when we see those who can fight but are not, it pisses us the hell off. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...


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