Have you visited my homeland in the past, Paul? No? Do not, then, insult my homeland without having first seen it. Meanwhile, having lived in both Russia and now, currently in California, perhaps I can enlighten you against what the AP, or "Associated Propaganda" has been trying to brainwash you with.

And by the way, before anyone calls me out about AP being Associated Press and not Associated Propaganda, I'm trying to make a point.

First of all, Paul, I do not know what tier of life you were born into, but I was born into the Russian middle class. I had a sponsored, hard-earned education and while my compatriots often spoke only two languages--Russian and English--I had the chance and did learn English, Russian, French, and German, and since then I have added Chinese and Spanish to the list. I don't know about you, but I will guess that you only read English news. I read four different sets of news, from four different nations. I CHOOSE to be educated, I CHOOSE to know what is truly going on, and I CHOOSE to SEE PAST THE PROPAGANDA the respective nations are allowing their newspresses to release.


I have had the oppurtunity to graduate from MGU with honors,

Please pardon me if I may sound critical of you but perhaps what draws ire against Russian people is our brutally frank attitude--if we see someone acting like an idiot, we point that out to him. But by no means am I calling you one. Instead, far from it. I feel that the term idiot is too good a term, and it would be a misnomer for you.

I do see that you say, "I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all."

I can't, with any logic, support the fact that you have logic in the first place just noting your illogical statement. If that isn't paradoxical enough, what is?

Here. Just a sample of Putin's speech in adress to Crimea issue. I understand you probably cannot understand Russian, otherwise I would have given you RIA's version. The translation here is good enough:
http://rt.com/news/putin-address-ten-quotes-778/

This is the difference between America and Russia, as I have found out while living in California. Here is America, Americans cater to the minority despite the suffering of the majority. This is obvious through the ill-planned-fascist-attempt-at-socialism called Obamacare.

In Russia, we can only be moved by the majority. That is why we help Crimea, because 60% of Crimea is Russian and that is something Putin cannot ignore.

Honestly, this is a good video as well:
Ukraine Nationalist Speech

You probably don't understand Russian or Ukrainian, but this "Nationalist" is saying that Russians in Ukraine should die, be shot in the head, and all that jazz. Of course, our Western, "Associated Propaganda" which is trying to portray Ukraine and its Revolutionary Government as the good guys, would not publish such videos.

After watching it is it any surprise that most Russian-speaking and Russian Crimeans would call to Putin for aid?

It is quite simple to illustrate to you and all the Double-Standard taken here by the United Nations and US:

1) Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait wars "against Terrorism." Approved of by the UN. What did America want? Oil. Did we get it? Oh yes.

vs.

Russia enters Dagestan, Chechnya, Georgia "against Terrorism" Draws international IRE and disproval by the UN What were we after? No doubt there was economic interests in this region as well, but let us not forget that these "states" are on OUR Southern Borders. It is that much easier to cross into Southern Russia and carry out Terrorist Activity. Can America say the same about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait?

Ukrainian DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED President Yanukovich overthrown by way of revolution and replaced. New Ukrainian Government and overthrow deemed legal, and New Ukraine is recognized by the UN.

Russia gains Crimea through legal vote, deemed illegal and illegitimate by UN. What about the New Ukraine Government? Is overthrowing legitimate governments legal? No.

Please note several things:
Crimea given to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, a UKRAINIAN-ethnic leader of the USSR. At this time it was ok, because Ukraine was part of the USSR, and the USSR answered to Moscow. But in 1991, Crimeans found themselves suddenly "Ukrainians." Couple that with live video threats and Ukrainian-nationalist speeches to get rid of Russians in Ukraine, if I lived in Crimea I would be calling out to the motherland for help as well.


If you have any more of your "logic" to show me, I welcome it by all means.
I know that by speaking my opinion here in America and amongst the English forums I draw the ire of all of the "international community."

I welcome that. I welcome the risks that come with free speech like this.

I await your response.

Until then, I apologize for the hot-bloodedness of my speech and the offense it may have caused any of you who read my speech,

Sincerely,
Dmitri Chuikov (axINVICTUSxa)

By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force?

I never said they had the right to do it, I simply gave you their reasoning. I was in no way legitimizing their actions.

What is it with everyone trying to one-up each other lately? Taking simple informative posts and trying to make them out to be the opinions of the author of the post.... it's beneath you guys. I've come to expect a higher caliber of troll posting here in the Dust forums people, don't let me down with this kiddie crap.

The US had no right to be in and mess with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... the list goes on.

Russia has every right to be in Crimea. Russian majority, strong cultural ties, and the Crimeans even overwhelmingly voted to be annexed by Russia.

**** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong.

Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west.

The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough.

By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is?

I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical.

As I have said on here a couple of times before, I have no problem with Crimea wanting to join Russia. Most of them are ethnic Russians anyway and it was always part of Russia prior to Kruschev giving it away. The Iraq war was bogus, however, do not lump Kuwait and Afghanistan in with it and say they are the same thing. There was a bad guy who headed a bad guy organization and he was being sheltered by the Taliban. That same bad guy and his organization were responsible for 9-11-2001. The Taliban would not give him up. As a result, the US had every right to go in there. Kuwait was invaded by a foreign country know as Iraq. The west went in there to kick them out of Kuwait. Once that was done, they did not invade Iraq again until that moron bush did it. Do not compare the Kuwait and Afghanistan wars to the second Iraq fiasco. P.S. chief, there are no oil refineries of note in Afghanistan. If everything was about oil, then Obama would invade Venezuela. That's right sunshine. The biggest oil reserves on the planet are there.

By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force?
But seriously why does any individual person give a **** what bit of land their country is made up of, we should just lock down all land in it's current names and leave it at that, if some ponse calling themselves a leader decides they want more money/power/resources/land they should be ignored & if they try it a second time should just be shot by their own people who should really know better than not to question a politician.

I don't think a draft would be necessary until everything turns to poop. I believe many civilians would throw on their fatigues and even more if they feel like their freedom is threatened because 'Murica. I know I would consider it although my asthma might be a problem for them(I don't know how the screening process works).

Also, I HIGHLY disagree about America struggling with fighting mainland. There's an itch that many people have been waiting to scratch, especially in the South, imo. I mean sure the average civilian wouldn't be as trained as an actual soldier but that lax on gun laws and how people really feel about defending their territory is something to consider.

Let's not forget the fact that there's a surprising amount of people prepping for an invasion or doomsday scenario with bunkers, and plenty more.

Then there's the guerilla warfare aspect. Oh and how fanatical we are, even with America's bad reputation. I mean, the only way I would imagine we would be critically struggling would be if we think that it's okay for them to invade us and I find that extremely unlikely.

Russia and China would make it about as far as Detroit. Then they''d be ******.

Ug im gunna delete this thread i had to much faih in communty to not have it derail into the wordest dumest debate

Edit: yeh i just wanted this to desucess ingame problems but yeh asking to much of this communty

They tried that ~200 years ago and got bored after they burnt the White House to the ground.

IDK, Andrew Jackson leading a bunch of drunkards and freed slaves into a British encampment during the night and slitting all of their throats might've had something to do with them leaving too.

Andrew Jackson.....

GREATEST. PRESIDENT. EVAR.

Maybe come back and post when you're sober?

Teddy Roosevelt. S'all I'm sayin'.

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Dmitri Chuikov (axINVICTUSxa)

Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about.

For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation:


Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine.

On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously.


And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it....

I could respect your opinion, until you called Obamacare fascism. Its just one issue and we can debate its merits and demerits but to call it fascism is either hyperbole taken to ridiculous heights or shows no understanding of what fascism is.

Anyway, as far as Crimea, its none of my business, not my corner of the world. I don't care enough to inform myself enough to form an opinion. I don't think the UN has the power nor the ability to cut Russia off from the internet either so I doubt losing our Russian players because of sanctions is a worry.

What do you think about

Ccp? More like CCCP am I right?

It's always disturbed me that the dots in their logo could be linked to form another C. Coincidence?.....









Okay, yeah, probably.

Yep i vote yes to kick russians out

**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea.

Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about.

For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation:


Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine.

On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously.


And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it....

Considering that we have the top navy in the world, unless china and russia somehow got all of their tanks and gear across the Bering Strait without us noticing I would say good luck invading the US mainland. And then once you got here there is a gun behind every blade of grass.

And I don't think the sanctions that the US is imposing right now are the kind that would effect CCP. There are no trade embargoes as of yet just freezing of liquid assets held in the US of top government officials. No land seized or the confiscation of said liquidity. Although it does raise tensions a little bit reminiscent of the cold war era, which I am not a fan of returning too. We don't need a third civil war.