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Posted - 2014.03.21 22:42:00 -
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Paul Peacemaker wrote: 97%, right? Out of... what was it? 137% total? Does not look like a bit of a lie at all, does it? I would not like to be ruled by a poor, dirty country full of alcoholics and depressed people that live in poverty and propaganda. Russia is such a filthy country, that I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all.
Have you visited my homeland in the past, Paul? No? Do not, then, insult my homeland without having first seen it. Meanwhile, having lived in both Russia and now, currently in California, perhaps I can enlighten you against what the AP, or "Associated Propaganda" has been trying to brainwash you with.
And by the way, before anyone calls me out about AP being Associated Press and not Associated Propaganda, I'm trying to make a point.
First of all, Paul, I do not know what tier of life you were born into, but I was born into the Russian middle class. I had a sponsored, hard-earned education and while my compatriots often spoke only two languages--Russian and English--I had the chance and did learn English, Russian, French, and German, and since then I have added Chinese and Spanish to the list. I don't know about you, but I will guess that you only read English news. I read four different sets of news, from four different nations. I CHOOSE to be educated, I CHOOSE to know what is truly going on, and I CHOOSE to SEE PAST THE PROPAGANDA the respective nations are allowing their newspresses to release.
I have had the oppurtunity to graduate from MGU with honors,
Please pardon me if I may sound critical of you but perhaps what draws ire against Russian people is our brutally frank attitude--if we see someone acting like an idiot, we point that out to him. But by no means am I calling you one. Instead, far from it. I feel that the term idiot is too good a term, and it would be a misnomer for you.
I do see that you say, "I can't, with any logic, support them in any way at all."
I can't, with any logic, support the fact that you have logic in the first place just noting your illogical statement. If that isn't paradoxical enough, what is?
Here. Just a sample of Putin's speech in adress to Crimea issue. I understand you probably cannot understand Russian, otherwise I would have given you RIA's version. The translation here is good enough: http://rt.com/news/putin-address-ten-quotes-778/
This is the difference between America and Russia, as I have found out while living in California. Here is America, Americans cater to the minority despite the suffering of the majority. This is obvious through the ill-planned-fascist-attempt-at-socialism called Obamacare.
In Russia, we can only be moved by the majority. That is why we help Crimea, because 60% of Crimea is Russian and that is something Putin cannot ignore.
Honestly, this is a good video as well: Ukraine Nationalist Speech
You probably don't understand Russian or Ukrainian, but this "Nationalist" is saying that Russians in Ukraine should die, be shot in the head, and all that jazz. Of course, our Western, "Associated Propaganda" which is trying to portray Ukraine and its Revolutionary Government as the good guys, would not publish such videos.
After watching it is it any surprise that most Russian-speaking and Russian Crimeans would call to Putin for aid?
It is quite simple to illustrate to you and all the Double-Standard taken here by the United Nations and US:
1) Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait wars "against Terrorism." Approved of by the UN. What did America want? Oil. Did we get it? Oh yes.
vs.
Russia enters Dagestan, Chechnya, Georgia "against Terrorism" Draws international IRE and disproval by the UN What were we after? No doubt there was economic interests in this region as well, but let us not forget that these "states" are on OUR Southern Borders. It is that much easier to cross into Southern Russia and carry out Terrorist Activity. Can America say the same about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait?
Ukrainian DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED President Yanukovich overthrown by way of revolution and replaced. New Ukrainian Government and overthrow deemed legal, and New Ukraine is recognized by the UN.
Russia gains Crimea through legal vote, deemed illegal and illegitimate by UN. What about the New Ukraine Government? Is overthrowing legitimate governments legal? No.
Please note several things: Crimea given to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, a UKRAINIAN-ethnic leader of the USSR. At this time it was ok, because Ukraine was part of the USSR, and the USSR answered to Moscow. But in 1991, Crimeans found themselves suddenly "Ukrainians." Couple that with live video threats and Ukrainian-nationalist speeches to get rid of Russians in Ukraine, if I lived in Crimea I would be calling out to the motherland for help as well.
If you have any more of your "logic" to show me, I welcome it by all means. I know that by speaking my opinion here in America and amongst the English forums I draw the ire of all of the "international community."
I welcome that. I welcome the risks that come with free speech like this.
I await your response.
Until then, I apologize for the hot-bloodedness of my speech and the offense it may have caused any of you who read my speech,
Sincerely, Dmitri Chuikov (axINVICTUSxa)
I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
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Posted - 2014.03.22 04:21:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:I could respect your opinion, until you called Obamacare fascism. Its just one issue and we can debate its merits and demerits but to call it fascism is either hyperbole taken to ridiculous heights or shows no understanding of what fascism is. Anyway, as far as Crimea, its none of my business, not my corner of the world. I don't care enough to inform myself enough to form an opinion. I don't think the UN has the power nor the ability to cut Russia off from the internet either so I doubt losing our Russian players because of sanctions is a worry.
Comrade Zahle ))
I did not call Obamacare Fascism. I said that Obamacare was a Fascist Attempt at Socialism--very different thing. If I did not, I correct myself.
What I mean is that in itself Obamacare is very direct and forceful. No health insurance? Ok, pay a fine! What if you can't get health insurance no matter what? Buy Obamacare!
You don't have much of a choice as to what to do, is what I mean. Kind of like being stuck between rock and a hard place...
Hope this helps clarify!
-Dmitri
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Posted - 2014.03.22 05:13:00 -
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Paul, I am indeed quite confused as to who you are referring to, and I will assume that you are indeed an American.
The American mindset is very good! Indeed it is. I have always admired Americans. And by this I mean the American Individual, the American work ethic, the American dream. What is left? Almost none of the ideals that made America great exist now in today's America. I look around me in the streets of LA and I see gang violence, reminiscent perhaps of the old days in Russia.
I believe that perhaps the Russian people feel cheated. Many of us who have been exposed to both American and Russian propaganda, we feel cheated on both sides of the world. When my uncle first came to America, he sent me a letter back home telling me how friendly the people were, how hard working, and how much better they lived. That was true, then. Now it is a different story. I decided to follow my Uncle--it appears I missed the golden days because the America that I saw was not the America my uncle had told me.
It was an America where the only person speaking the pledge of allegiance in a crowded room of natural-born Americans was an immigrant. It was an America where the only person respecting the great ideals of America, the great flag of America, the only person respecting and having pride in his new country, was me, a Russian, and a legal immigrant. It was an America where drugs slowly became more and more prevalent, filled with grumblers and people demanding handouts and other such entitlement.
I often asked myself is this the America I came over to see? To find a reflection of the old Russia I had left behind?
I returned to Russia recently to visit relatives. It has vastly improved since I last visited. Taxes were low, religious and freedom of speech. Corruption had already begun to slowly fall apart as the old system of Druzhiniki was re-established. Most of all we had a leader, Putin. Maybe a shrewd, cunning, snakish, more authoritan ruler--but a ruler nontheless.
America should not be grossly generalized as fat, full, and lazy. Far from that, there is certainly much more to America than McDonalds, dozens and dozens of young teens bent over, staring at their Samsung Galaxies and iPhone 5's while they cross the street, surely more than the racism and ethnic hating I receive for being a Russian, surely more than the ignoranumuses who traverse around blasting around their mouths in gigantic suits who call themselves politicians. Surely America is more than the average teen who utilizes crude words in every sentence, with a vocabulary smaller than that of an immigrant who has lived fewer years in America than they have, surely more than the theoretical knowledge that America has over practical, applied knowledge, surely more than failed education systems and banks.
Yes, the heart of America is still there, but it is hidden by a certain corruption, tainted by a single individual, or several up in the big, marble-columned house in Washington D.C.
Putin himself stumbles as he speaks, makes his mistakes like any individual. Does he lie? Certainly. What shrewd politician does not?
But do we stereotype, or hate, a country based on one man, the actions of a few, of a hundred, of a thousand, in almost perfect synechdoche of hundreds of millions of people?
What exactly does that make us? If Russia stereotyped US entirely by Obama, the Average Russian's respect for US would be absolutely zero.
What makes a country a home? Is it how much money, how much food, how much material wealth you have?
Then I ask, is it not the warmth of the people, the strength of their hearts, and the vigor and passion they have? These values I find that the average American no longer has. I look around me and I find distress, anguish, amidst the abundance and wealth in America.
And all of it is plagued with a large number we call a national debt.
Do the same problems hit home in Russia? No! By no means. Russia has different problems. Russia has Putin. Likewise, America has Obama.
Is it fair, and I am sure most will agree, that Russia is bad because Putin and America because Obama?
In the end I say one thing: We should both take out the planks in each of our own eyes before we mutter any harsh word or stand blindly behind our own ideals. For right now one thing is clear--America is a beautiful nation, impurified by one. Russia is beautiful, alas impurified as well.
I do not believe you are blind in your beliefs, however, I feel that many fellow Americans are. It saddened me greatly when, during the 2004 elections, I heard a group of men and women, when approached by some Obama voters, told that if they did not vote for Obama, they were racist.
It saddened me more yet to hear from a group of young adults that they "voted for Obama just because he was black, a better speaker, and did I mention suave?"
Even in Russia, amongst the drinks passed around the table at night, amongst the old traditions that hold still, talks of policies dominated voting. The Russian Congress has 5 parties that hold fair shares of seats, versus the US Congress of Two Parties.
There always exists the ignorant. Let us two not be one of those ignorant, may I have an agreement in that? ))
Besides, we are of the same alliance.
If I seemingly contradict myself, it is possible I am under the influence, but more likely than not I have since changed my mind, open-minded and observing of all opinions.
Please have a nice day!
Sincerely, Dmitri Chuikov
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:26:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me.
Corporate Conservative, maybe he is one. But from my observations he is most definitely not a fiscal conservative. A look at our debt, yes, and you will see the difference between him and Putin.
The reforms Putin makes and the reforms Obama makes--starkly different.
I apologize earlier for not using the correct term, Affordable Care Act. Quite simply, I don't think it deserves that name. For a lot of people I know, as well as myself, it isn't affordable. In this case, I see no logic to say that it is, and lie to myself
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:29:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote: u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite?
Comrade Ludvig Enraga,
I am pretty confident Piraten is just trying to satirize Comrade Putin's and the government's more authoritarian stance...
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:31:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote: Only fter Russia dropped in thousands of paratroopers and ferried tanks across the strait of kerch. No big deal.
Those were navy infantry forces, not the VDV. If it was the VDV then Russia truly would have been going for war.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 23:36:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Fiscal conservatism is all about cutting government spending and reallocating government money to where it is needed (not trying to insult your intelligence by over-explaining it, just trying to be thorough for the sake of other readers). I'm not saying Obama is a fiscally conservative, I'm pointing out that he is far more fiscally conservative than our last president (who was supposed to be, by definition as a conservative, fiscally conservative). All of our last several presidents however have been corporatists. Apart from the Bush's, they were all in fact fiscally conservative corporatists. The problem with corporatism is that they take all the money they save from cutting the budget and funnel 90% of it into either subsidies for companies who contributed for their campaign's or to the defense budget (which is a round-about way of funneling money to corporations who profit off of war by making weapons/ammunition/fatigues/etc.). Bush expanded the US government immensely while he was in office and Obama steadily shrunk it his entire first term in office. The deficit we are currently in is a result of Bush's government & military expansion and poor financial choices, topped off by the war we were so stupidly led by the nose into. Just about every right-wing news organization in the country goes on and on about how much the deficit is growing every day, but that's nothing but rhetoric. People don't realize it because you can't see it by just looking around, but the budget deficit has gone from 10 percent of GDP in 2009 -- when Obama first took office -- to about 4 percent of GDP in 2013. Here's a chart of what the deficit has looked like over the years Obama has been in office. The second graph shows the deficit in dollar amount from 2009-2014, and the third graph shows the deficit as a percent of GDP over the same time span.
Comrade, I thank you for your opinion. However, I found several interesting things in your argument. First, I love how you label that conservatives must be this, conservatives must be that, and yet there is a doublestandard applied here--nothing is "labeled" of the liberals, the Democrats. So the Democrats can be Conservative and the Republicans can't be liberal? Quite interesting.
Then again, it is double standard that got Obama into office so I guess I have fair proof.
Secondly, and this being highly subjective/objective, I view things from the large picture viewpoint. Decreasing deficit spending is good, but if there is still deficit spending it isn't. We are still accounting for the 17 trillion + that continues to grow, that looms over the American head like a monstrous devil.
Third, the image/chart you provided has nothing to do with the national debt and everything to do with the yearly budget.
Doesn't change the fact, of course, that we still owe the 17 trillion, does it?
I must admit I'm glad Obama has done SOMETHING over these past 6 years, what I am saying is it isn't enough.
This is my problem, and I am by no means criticizing you or your financial situation, but like so many middle-class Americans, these subsidies are not going to benefit us. In fact, we are paying more taxes to cover your butt.
Does it make sense that 75%+, the majority of America, must suffer for the poorer classes? What is worse is that American work ethic is at an all time low.
I am sorry for you as you are disabled, and for people like you I understand subsidies should go to you. I believe, in fact, that subsidies should ONLY aid the weak, the elderly, the disabled, the widows.
After all, it says in the Bible that we should help the widows and those unabled to take care of themselves.
But able-bodied families, able-bodied men, people who can work--they have no excuse. I don't mind breaking my bank for those who cannot, but those that can, can die in a hole in my honest opinion.
That is the great thing about Russia. That doesn't happen there.
I did not come from Russia to America to pay for those who do not work. I came to work with those who work great, the American spirit of labor has been inspirational for many Russians. Let me tell you we Russians are exceptionally lazy. If we find something that works, we use it, and look for something better. That is why we advanced our technologies, copied, improved, invented, and utilized what was at hand first, rather than growing without a care.
I think thats the difference between US Special Forces and RU Special Forces. In the Russian army I was taught to survive in the woods, the wild (although I did participate in Special Forces training and this is more of a SpecOps thing) to shoot quickly and aim accurately even on the go. In the US we have optics and other fancy technologies to assist us. Russian weapons are dumb--nothing smart about them. What makes them powerful is the person wielding the gun. Rely on skill rather than technology--that is the heart of Russian special forces. Make our weapons work despite being soaked in water, filled with sand, clogged in humid environments--the AK-103 still works, still stands.
Should an EMP occur, there goes American weapons and tech while our Russians can still use our weaponry.
We fight for those who cannot fight. That is why when we see those who can fight but are not, it pisses us the hell off.
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