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Posted - 2014.03.21 13:05:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea.
Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about.
For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation:
Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine.
On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously.
And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it....
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:05:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:C Saunders wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... Hi.tler invaded some countries that used to be part of Germany before WW1. Your argument is invalid. Oh yeah, who the hell said I was from the US. Im british. So stop giving me US examples. Thats stuiped logic and you know it you might as well say we can the US back please been an adult here its important ti Topic and i dont want it locked because of trolling. Back ontopic i would find ingame attacks on Russia corps an intrested case study on realworld/virtual world corss over
No worries. As everyone who follows politics knows, as soon as you resort to using the bad guys from WWII as examples, you've lost the argument.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 18:31:00 -
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Just to clear things up, my earlier post was simply to inform people of the situation. I personally am leaning towards the anti-Russian side of the argument, though since there was so much animosity towards Russia I felt this thread would be better suited having a middle ground explanation. Don't mistake me for taking Putin's side in all of this just because I understand his side of things.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 23:43:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force?
I never said they had the right to do it, I simply gave you their reasoning. I was in no way legitimizing their actions.
What is it with everyone trying to one-up each other lately? Taking simple informative posts and trying to make them out to be the opinions of the author of the post.... it's beneath you guys. I've come to expect a higher caliber of troll posting here in the Dust forums people, don't let me down with this kiddie crap.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 23:56:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:**** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong.
Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west.
The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough.
By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is?
I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical.
The issue isn't that Russia reabsorbed Crimea, it's the way in which they did it. If they had taken the time do it diplomatically this probably wouldn't have even hit the news in the US. The fact that they used military force to take it back is why the US and NATO are in such an uproar. By using it's military to get back Crimea, Russia has put itself on really shaky ground for no (currently) apparent reason.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:05:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:C Saunders wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Think the internet is bad now wait till we have to deal with WW3 trash talking One trigger happy soldier and world war 3 could start. Its not too funny. if World War 3 started, there would be no worry on Americas part because our military is voluntary, now if there was a draft enacted immediately, then we would have to worry. also china and Russia's military power could effectively invade us on our best day and we would struggle to keep dominance on the mainland. I don't think a draft would be necessary until everything turns to poop. I believe many civilians would throw on their fatigues and even more if they feel like their freedom is threatened because 'Murica. I know I would consider it although my asthma might be a problem for them(I don't know how the screening process works). Also, I HIGHLY disagree about America struggling with fighting mainland. There's an itch that many people have been waiting to scratch, especially in the South, imo. I mean sure the average civilian wouldn't be as trained as an actual soldier but that lax on gun laws and how people really feel about defending their territory is something to consider. Let's not forget the fact that there's a surprising amount of people prepping for an invasion or doomsday scenario with bunkers, and plenty more. Then there's the guerilla warfare aspect. Oh and how fanatical we are, even with America's bad reputation. I mean, the only way I would imagine we would be critically struggling would be if we think that it's okay for them to invade us and I find that extremely unlikely.
Russia and China would make it about as far as Detroit. Then they''d be ******.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:24:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... By your logic Britain should be allowed to barge into the US and claim it back by force? But seriously why does any individual person give a **** what bit of land their country is made up of, we should just lock down all land in it's current names and leave it at that, if some ponse calling themselves a leader decides they want more money/power/resources/land they should be ignored & if they try it a second time should just be shot by their own people who should really know better than not to question a politician. They tried that ~200 years ago and got bored after they burnt the White House to the ground. IDK, Andrew Jackson leading a bunch of drunkards and freed slaves into a British encampment during the night and slitting all of their throats might've had something to do with them leaving too. Andrew Jackson..... GREATEST. PRESIDENT. EVAR.
Teddy Roosevelt. S'all I'm sayin'.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:41:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:I could respect your opinion, until you called Obamacare fascism. Its just one issue and we can debate its merits and demerits but to call it fascism is either hyperbole taken to ridiculous heights or shows no understanding of what fascism is. Anyway, as far as Crimea, its none of my business, not my corner of the world. I don't care enough to inform myself enough to form an opinion. I don't think the UN has the power nor the ability to cut Russia off from the internet either so I doubt losing our Russian players because of sanctions is a worry. Comrade Zahle )) I did not call Obamacare Fascism. I said that Obamacare was a Fascist Attempt at Socialism--very different thing. If I did not, I correct myself. What I mean is that in itself Obamacare is very direct and forceful. No health insurance? Ok, pay a fine! What if you can't get health insurance no matter what? Buy Obamacare! You don't have much of a choice as to what to do, is what I mean. Kind of like being stuck between rock and a hard place... Hope this helps clarify! -Dmitri
I don't wish to try to start anything, but last I heard the fine was put on permanent suspension. You still have to report whether or not you are subject to the fine when you do your taxes, but it's implementation is supposedly on hold for the forseeable future.
Also, "Obamacare" isn't a healthcare plan. It's a term given by the right-wing to the Affordable Care Act, which is a bill that was passed into law. The law constructed a marketplace in which healthcare providers from all across the country can compete for your business. Before the Affordable Care Act, insurance companies were only allowed to operate within their areas. In the process of setting up this marketplace, they laid out a set of rules so insurance companies can't trick people into paying for insanely bad healthcare packages. It get's a lot more complex from there, but basically that's a fair summary of it's function.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:03:00 -
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Shokhann Echo wrote:this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom.
Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings.
Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:29:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me. Corporate Conservative, maybe he is one. But from my observations he is most definitely not a fiscal conservative. A look at our debt, yes, and you will see the difference between him and Putin. The reforms Putin makes and the reforms Obama makes--starkly different. I apologize earlier for not using the correct term, Affordable Care Act. Quite simply, I don't think it deserves that name. For a lot of people I know, as well as myself, it isn't affordable. In this case, I see no logic to say that it is, and lie to myself
Fiscal conservatism is all about cutting government spending and reallocating government money to where it is needed (not trying to insult your intelligence by over-explaining it, just trying to be thorough for the sake of other readers). I'm not saying Obama is a fiscally conservative, I'm pointing out that he is far more fiscally conservative than our last president (who was supposed to be, by definition as a conservative, fiscally conservative). All of our last several presidents however have been corporatists. Apart from the Bush's, they were all in fact fiscally conservative corporatists.
The problem with corporatism is that they take all the money they save from cutting the budget and funnel 90% of it into either subsidies for companies who contributed for their campaign's or to the defense budget (which is a round-about way of funneling money to corporations who profit off of war by making weapons/ammunition/fatigues/etc.). Bush expanded the US government immensely while he was in office and Obama steadily shrunk it his entire first term in office. The deficit we are currently in is a result of Bush's government & military expansion and poor financial choices, topped off by the war we were so stupidly led by the nose into. Just about every right-wing news organization in the country goes on and on about how much the deficit is growing every day, but that's nothing but rhetoric. People don't realize it because you can't see it by just looking around, but the budget deficit has gone from 10 percent of GDP in 2009 -- when Obama first took office -- to about 4 percent of GDP in 2013.
Here's a chart of what the deficit has looked like over the years Obama has been in office. The second graph shows the deficit in dollar amount from 2009-2014, and the third graph shows the deficit as a percent of GDP over the same time span.
I have no love for Obama, I dislike 90% of the crap he does in office, but he HAS been digging us out of the hole the republicans left us in (and if you notice, every time one has been in office over the last 50 years, they ALWAYS leave us in a deficit) in 2009. And he has made healthcare available to everyone in the country and forced the healthcare providers of the country to charge fair rates. He also has prevented them from cutting off your services because you try to get treated for a pre-existing condition. The subsidies that are in place for it may not help you in particular, but there are many families out there who have been unable to find work or who have multiple kids and cannot find sufficient work to support them that are helped immensely by them. I myself am disabled and due to that am unable to find work, and I'm being greatly helped by it. My new coverage is only costing me $20 a month and that's less than I was paying for my Medicare premiums (which were $110 a month).
As for Putin's political savvy and financial prowess, I cannot say. I know nothing of the man other than he hunts topless and really likes guns.  Does he do things better than Obama? I'd love to be filled in on how he runs things (me=politics nerd )
Obamacare isn't anywhere near perfect, but it is an important first step towards reforming healthcare laws in the US and providing healthcare for everyone. One last thing most people didn't know in case you are curious, John Boehnor and the rest of his ilk in Congress refused to pass the Affordable Care Act unless Obama agreed to adding in that individual mandate that everyone hates (you know, the part that makes healthcare mandatory for everyone). They also tossed in a few other things, can't remember for the life of me what they were though...
And thank you for the polite political discussion, I very much enjoy this.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:48:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:[quote=Roy Ventus][quote=CommanderBolt]I want Americans to stand up for their constitution (Which is being eroded day by day) and for them to stick true to their principles. Go look at people like Ron Paul. He stands for the Realness, the 'old times' America which is gone now. The America that was a beacon of freedom for the world, not the globalist policemen where corporations reign supreme.
If the American people can't take back what they rightfully should have then I want nothing to do with them. Actually **** all powers and superpowers, I want Humanity to retake this world in the name of freedom. We need a huge revolution world wide!
Do what the French did and guillotine all of the corrupt immoral leaders that infest our planet. Ron Paul is my hero! He doesn't give a crap about big government, being a police state internationally, or big business. And it's sad that people don't support him because he doesn't totally want to screw over either Liberals or Conservatives.
@Bolt: The "Old Times" America? The one that wrote the Constitution? Beacon of Freedom? You mean that one where they inslaved millians of Africans and only just freed them around 150 years ago and has a government in place that allows many of it's states to still treat them like 2nd class citizens? That America?
Which principles exactly are you referring to being eroded? I suppose that would be the best place to start the conversation on that subject, because most of the principles I see being eroded are backwards bigoted ideals. Not to say all of the ideals we stood for are bad, and not to say that all of the ones we are loosing are bad ones, but I need to know your starting point before I can understand the end result you are aiming for.
@Both of you: Ron Paul had some fantastic ideas and would have set many good things in motion, not the least of which was to bring every soldier home and close up shop overseas, but many of his policies would have ended life as you know it. An easy example is the extent to which he would have deregulated corporations, meaning any food you bought could have anything in it and you would never know about it until you ended up in the hospital with an incurable liver disease or brain deformity. The poor amount of bank regulations right now is bad enough, but if they were to be completely unregulated the economy would collapse over night. The core policies of libertarians sound really good on paper, but in practice many of them would be an absolute nightmare.
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:51:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... That is an ignorant argument. It has happened before using that same excuse/pretext with the **** annexation of austria, the Anschluss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
I made no argument.... I was actually filling people in on both sides about what was happening. But if you want to take it as an argument for one side or the other, go ahead. I'm tired of telling people that this was an informative post and not an opinion post...
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