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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.22 14:25:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? If you believe that...
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Leonid Tybalt
Heaven's-Gate
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Posted - 2014.03.22 14:26:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that?
And that makes it okay to invade an entire country simply becsuse you are after ONE guy?
The Russians aren't doing anything now that the americans haven't done over and over for the past hundred years. Complaining about the russians while not saying a peep about the US is pretty ******* hypocritical to say the least. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.22 14:48:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Cont letter from Putin
You might as well learn two additional concepts: CTO, which stands for Counter Terror Operation, and hexogen. This is important. For real. And in future, try to avoid places with other people, train stations, airports - well, especially train stations and airports - bus stations, markets, concerts and crowds in general.
If you still have to fly, make sure to be at the airport three hours in advance. At each entrance, there will be check points. Better not joke with the guards. Shave off your beard. Lighten your hair. Turn your pockets inside out and let them frisk you when they tell you. Never - never! - leave home without identification documents.
Yes, don't forget sanctions from our international friends, that is to say, our new enemies. You guys are in Russia now.
And then a few tiny matters. Well, a bunch of them, really:
It is prohibited to protest in Russia.
It is prohibited to resist the unlawful arrest and unlawful detention.
It is prohibited for regions to be autonomous. It is forbidden to leave the Russian federation. Separatism is prohibited.
It is prohibited for foreigners to adopt Russian children.
It is prohibited to propagate homosexuality.
It is prohibited for Madonna and Lady Gaga to perform.
It is prohibited to put up unauthorized posters.
The television network Dozjd is prohibited.
Any day now, online money will be prohibited.
Prices in Moscow is twice as high as in Kiev. On everything.
And, finally, for us (and now also for you), it is forbidden to sell alcohol from eleven at night till eight in the morning. The Sobriety Act, you see.
u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite?
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
951
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:15:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that?
And you fail to mention why Soviets were there.... You see how things are sorta symmetric here.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:26:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me.
Corporate Conservative, maybe he is one. But from my observations he is most definitely not a fiscal conservative. A look at our debt, yes, and you will see the difference between him and Putin.
The reforms Putin makes and the reforms Obama makes--starkly different.
I apologize earlier for not using the correct term, Affordable Care Act. Quite simply, I don't think it deserves that name. For a lot of people I know, as well as myself, it isn't affordable. In this case, I see no logic to say that it is, and lie to myself
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
3
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:29:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote: u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite?
Comrade Ludvig Enraga,
I am pretty confident Piraten is just trying to satirize Comrade Putin's and the government's more authoritarian stance...
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
951
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:30:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote: Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about.
For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation:
Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine.
On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously.
And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it....
What's the difference between invading it and invading Ireland? Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a treaty with Russia. Russia has no place in Crimea beyond what the treaty allows and Ukrainians have already been killed. It's an invasion. The ppl of Crimea were threatened by the mob who proclaimed to be the government of Ukraine, they conducted a referendum and secessed from Ukraine according to the will of their people. What invasion are you talking about? i mean seriously crimea did choose to be a part of russia again. Only fter Russia dropped in thousands of paratroopers and ferried tanks across the strait of kerch. No big deal.
Where do you get your info? Even all WESTERN media unanimously accept that the referendum reflected the will of the people.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
951
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:31:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote: u r a clown, sir. when you don't have facts, you just make them up, amirite? Comrade Ludvig Enraga, I am pretty confident Piraten is just trying to satirize Comrade Putin's and the government's more authoritarian stance...
Yeah... that's why I said he is a clown... so...
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:31:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote: Only fter Russia dropped in thousands of paratroopers and ferried tanks across the strait of kerch. No big deal.
Those were navy infantry forces, not the VDV. If it was the VDV then Russia truly would have been going for war.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:20:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:**** THE WEST. Especially America. They put their nose in where it does not belong.
Go Russia! Granted I am sure you are far from perfect but at least you are not hypocrites like our leaders are in the west.
The west complains about Russia going in to the Crimea to help their own people (Or people who would consider themselves mostly Russian or Russian bias) yet the west invades many other countries over totally false pretexts. Cough # Iraq # cough.
By the way - Over 97% of voters in the Crimea voted to join Russia and now the west does not like that and is calling it illegitimate. If people voting for their own future is not democratic then what is?
I love many parts about my country and what the west stands for but you cannot deny the fact that our leaders are totally corrupt and totally hypocritical. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. People want America to intervene in world events and others want America to not intervene world events. Not just the people here but around the world. There will be people saying screw America because we're not helping or because we are. If we were to simply just isolate ourselves from the world except our straight-forward allies, people would QQ. If we would act like the world police, like we still do at times, people will QQ. --- I don't see how this affects the game btw OP I want Americans to stand up for their constitution (Which is being eroded day by day) and for them to stick true to their principles. Go look at people like Ron Paul. He stands for the Realness, the 'old times' America which is gone now. The America that was a beacon of freedom for the world, not the globalist policemen where corporations reign supreme. If the American people can't take back what they rightfully should have then I want nothing to do with them. Actually **** all powers and superpowers, I want Humanity to retake this world in the name of freedom. We need a huge revolution world wide! Do what the French did and guillotine all of the corrupt immoral leaders that infest our planet. Ron Paul is my hero! He doesn't give a crap about big government, being a police state internationally, or big business. And it's sad that people don't support him because he doesn't totally want to screw over either Liberals or Conservatives.
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SPESHULz
The Southern Legion
61
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:42:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote: Last point ita easy to point the figure when the tanks are not on your border and nut jobs are not romming the streets threating you if you vote incorrectly Russias are bulles i dislike them because the ones that live on my street in London have tried to mug me more than once for example.
Obviously the most appropriate response would be to take away all thier tanks and not let duna buy anymore. If ccp went further it wouldnt be balanced.
Blood flows. Death comes. War rages
Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you
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Eruditus 920
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:07:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it....
That is an ignorant argument. It has happened before using that same excuse/pretext with the **** annexation of austria, the Anschluss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
780
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:36:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? And you fail to mention why Soviets were there.... You see how things are sorta symmetric here.
The Soviets went there to prop up the government of Afghanistan. They were not attacked by a terrorist group prior to their invasion. The U.S was. But, I guess you are one of those conspiracy nuts that believes, the US blew the World Trade Center itself. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1337
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:29:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:this is a political argument. this country has gone to **** on the things youv described and more thanks to the liberals taking over, more and more freedom is robed from us each day and only the immigrants are happy because theyv never had real freedom. Believe it or not, Obama is more of a right-wing corporatist than even Regan. don't EVEN try to tell me this country is going downhill due to liberals when Obama's fiscal actions have been 1000x more conservative than Bush. Obama's no more a liberal than Bill Maher is a conservative. Obama's a corporatist conservative with progressive leanings. Sorry to snap you back to reality, but your ignorance was irritating me. Corporate Conservative, maybe he is one. But from my observations he is most definitely not a fiscal conservative. A look at our debt, yes, and you will see the difference between him and Putin. The reforms Putin makes and the reforms Obama makes--starkly different. I apologize earlier for not using the correct term, Affordable Care Act. Quite simply, I don't think it deserves that name. For a lot of people I know, as well as myself, it isn't affordable. In this case, I see no logic to say that it is, and lie to myself
Fiscal conservatism is all about cutting government spending and reallocating government money to where it is needed (not trying to insult your intelligence by over-explaining it, just trying to be thorough for the sake of other readers). I'm not saying Obama is a fiscally conservative, I'm pointing out that he is far more fiscally conservative than our last president (who was supposed to be, by definition as a conservative, fiscally conservative). All of our last several presidents however have been corporatists. Apart from the Bush's, they were all in fact fiscally conservative corporatists.
The problem with corporatism is that they take all the money they save from cutting the budget and funnel 90% of it into either subsidies for companies who contributed for their campaign's or to the defense budget (which is a round-about way of funneling money to corporations who profit off of war by making weapons/ammunition/fatigues/etc.). Bush expanded the US government immensely while he was in office and Obama steadily shrunk it his entire first term in office. The deficit we are currently in is a result of Bush's government & military expansion and poor financial choices, topped off by the war we were so stupidly led by the nose into. Just about every right-wing news organization in the country goes on and on about how much the deficit is growing every day, but that's nothing but rhetoric. People don't realize it because you can't see it by just looking around, but the budget deficit has gone from 10 percent of GDP in 2009 -- when Obama first took office -- to about 4 percent of GDP in 2013.
Here's a chart of what the deficit has looked like over the years Obama has been in office. The second graph shows the deficit in dollar amount from 2009-2014, and the third graph shows the deficit as a percent of GDP over the same time span.
I have no love for Obama, I dislike 90% of the crap he does in office, but he HAS been digging us out of the hole the republicans left us in (and if you notice, every time one has been in office over the last 50 years, they ALWAYS leave us in a deficit) in 2009. And he has made healthcare available to everyone in the country and forced the healthcare providers of the country to charge fair rates. He also has prevented them from cutting off your services because you try to get treated for a pre-existing condition. The subsidies that are in place for it may not help you in particular, but there are many families out there who have been unable to find work or who have multiple kids and cannot find sufficient work to support them that are helped immensely by them. I myself am disabled and due to that am unable to find work, and I'm being greatly helped by it. My new coverage is only costing me $20 a month and that's less than I was paying for my Medicare premiums (which were $110 a month).
As for Putin's political savvy and financial prowess, I cannot say. I know nothing of the man other than he hunts topless and really likes guns. Does he do things better than Obama? I'd love to be filled in on how he runs things (me=politics nerd)
Obamacare isn't anywhere near perfect, but it is an important first step towards reforming healthcare laws in the US and providing healthcare for everyone. One last thing most people didn't know in case you are curious, John Boehnor and the rest of his ilk in Congress refused to pass the Affordable Care Act unless Obama agreed to adding in that individual mandate that everyone hates (you know, the part that makes healthcare mandatory for everyone). They also tossed in a few other things, can't remember for the life of me what they were though...
And thank you for the polite political discussion, I very much enjoy this.
MAG ~ Raven
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
4021
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:31:00 -
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All I can say is....
Shots fired...pop pop
Commando sees scout
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1339
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:48:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:[quote=Roy Ventus][quote=CommanderBolt]I want Americans to stand up for their constitution (Which is being eroded day by day) and for them to stick true to their principles. Go look at people like Ron Paul. He stands for the Realness, the 'old times' America which is gone now. The America that was a beacon of freedom for the world, not the globalist policemen where corporations reign supreme.
If the American people can't take back what they rightfully should have then I want nothing to do with them. Actually **** all powers and superpowers, I want Humanity to retake this world in the name of freedom. We need a huge revolution world wide!
Do what the French did and guillotine all of the corrupt immoral leaders that infest our planet. Ron Paul is my hero! He doesn't give a crap about big government, being a police state internationally, or big business. And it's sad that people don't support him because he doesn't totally want to screw over either Liberals or Conservatives. @Bolt: The "Old Times" America? The one that wrote the Constitution? Beacon of Freedom? You mean that one where they inslaved millians of Africans and only just freed them around 150 years ago and has a government in place that allows many of it's states to still treat them like 2nd class citizens? That America?
Which principles exactly are you referring to being eroded? I suppose that would be the best place to start the conversation on that subject, because most of the principles I see being eroded are backwards bigoted ideals. Not to say all of the ideals we stood for are bad, and not to say that all of the ones we are loosing are bad ones, but I need to know your starting point before I can understand the end result you are aiming for.
@Both of you: Ron Paul had some fantastic ideas and would have set many good things in motion, not the least of which was to bring every soldier home and close up shop overseas, but many of his policies would have ended life as you know it. An easy example is the extent to which he would have deregulated corporations, meaning any food you bought could have anything in it and you would never know about it until you ended up in the hospital with an incurable liver disease or brain deformity. The poor amount of bank regulations right now is bad enough, but if they were to be completely unregulated the economy would collapse over night. The core policies of libertarians sound really good on paper, but in practice many of them would be an absolute nightmare.
MAG ~ Raven
I GÖú puppies.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1339
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:51:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:C Saunders wrote:**** the russians, they have no right to be in Crimea. Get stuffed idiot, you don't know what you are even talking about. For those who care to learn a bit before making braindead comments on it, here's some basic info on the situation: Crimea is part of Ukraine which used to be a part of Russia. Crimea has been a largely pro-Russian area of the Ukraine for some years now. It's not like Russia is invading Ireland or anything, they were annexing Crimea to get the Ukrainian military out of it so that Crimea could become a part of Russia again. As of right now, Putin is insisting that they have no intentions to further hassle Ukraine. On the flip side, this action was brash and violated several international laws. Russia did something similar years ago with Georgia (the country, not the state), but I really don't recall what happened with that.... it kinda got fogged out with all of our stupid war bullshit over here in the US. Our news pretty much stopped covering it and we lost interest. Anyway, they pretty much got away with hitting Georgia. That means the international community is taking this latest action very seriously. And that is a VERY basic rundown of the situation. Now, people, please learn about the topic before you post on it.... That is an ignorant argument. It has happened before using that same excuse/pretext with the **** annexation of austria, the Anschluss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss I made no argument.... I was actually filling people in on both sides about what was happening. But if you want to take it as an argument for one side or the other, go ahead. I'm tired of telling people that this was an informative post and not an opinion post...
MAG ~ Raven
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1077
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Posted - 2014.03.22 21:06:00 -
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@Baal you should join BCG pub channel and squad up with Volgair and I sometime, if I can get him back on Dust ever. We have some fun discussions of history and politics while grinding pubs.
Since the thread devolved into a discussion of American politics, can you imagine what the Republican party of today would day about Eisenhower. They call Obama a socialist, to them that old school republican would be some sort of communist nightmare
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
951
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Posted - 2014.03.22 21:56:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok here is talk about yanks beeing in afghanistan,but some of you people may remember.russian`s/soviet`s was also in there,and they got their asses kicked by afghans Ok but there is still talk about America going to Afghanistan..... So.... You kinda fail to address that point. You sir, also fail to mention why the Americans went to Afghanistan. There was a certain bad guy living there at the time that was responsible for 9-11-2001 or did you forget that? And you fail to mention why Soviets were there.... You see how things are sorta symmetric here. The Soviets went there to prop up the government of Afghanistan. They were not attacked by a terrorist group prior to their invasion. The U.S was. But, I guess you are one of those conspiracy nuts that believes, the US blew the World Trade Center itself.
putting words in my mouth now.... interesting.
You may remember that Bin Laden was found and killed in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. Also, funny story, the Soviets were fighting Bin Laden in Afghanistan. But I guess this truth is sorta inconvenient to you.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
436
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Posted - 2014.03.22 23:26:00 -
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Once we stopped the Natzis. If they rise up again - we're still here. We do not need to take anything - we have everything.
Thanks to everyone who understands.
...sorry for bad English =)
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
5
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Posted - 2014.03.22 23:36:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Fiscal conservatism is all about cutting government spending and reallocating government money to where it is needed (not trying to insult your intelligence by over-explaining it, just trying to be thorough for the sake of other readers). I'm not saying Obama is a fiscally conservative, I'm pointing out that he is far more fiscally conservative than our last president (who was supposed to be, by definition as a conservative, fiscally conservative). All of our last several presidents however have been corporatists. Apart from the Bush's, they were all in fact fiscally conservative corporatists. The problem with corporatism is that they take all the money they save from cutting the budget and funnel 90% of it into either subsidies for companies who contributed for their campaign's or to the defense budget (which is a round-about way of funneling money to corporations who profit off of war by making weapons/ammunition/fatigues/etc.). Bush expanded the US government immensely while he was in office and Obama steadily shrunk it his entire first term in office. The deficit we are currently in is a result of Bush's government & military expansion and poor financial choices, topped off by the war we were so stupidly led by the nose into. Just about every right-wing news organization in the country goes on and on about how much the deficit is growing every day, but that's nothing but rhetoric. People don't realize it because you can't see it by just looking around, but the budget deficit has gone from 10 percent of GDP in 2009 -- when Obama first took office -- to about 4 percent of GDP in 2013. Here's a chart of what the deficit has looked like over the years Obama has been in office. The second graph shows the deficit in dollar amount from 2009-2014, and the third graph shows the deficit as a percent of GDP over the same time span.
Comrade, I thank you for your opinion. However, I found several interesting things in your argument. First, I love how you label that conservatives must be this, conservatives must be that, and yet there is a doublestandard applied here--nothing is "labeled" of the liberals, the Democrats. So the Democrats can be Conservative and the Republicans can't be liberal? Quite interesting.
Then again, it is double standard that got Obama into office so I guess I have fair proof.
Secondly, and this being highly subjective/objective, I view things from the large picture viewpoint. Decreasing deficit spending is good, but if there is still deficit spending it isn't. We are still accounting for the 17 trillion + that continues to grow, that looms over the American head like a monstrous devil.
Third, the image/chart you provided has nothing to do with the national debt and everything to do with the yearly budget.
Doesn't change the fact, of course, that we still owe the 17 trillion, does it?
I must admit I'm glad Obama has done SOMETHING over these past 6 years, what I am saying is it isn't enough.
This is my problem, and I am by no means criticizing you or your financial situation, but like so many middle-class Americans, these subsidies are not going to benefit us. In fact, we are paying more taxes to cover your butt.
Does it make sense that 75%+, the majority of America, must suffer for the poorer classes? What is worse is that American work ethic is at an all time low.
I am sorry for you as you are disabled, and for people like you I understand subsidies should go to you. I believe, in fact, that subsidies should ONLY aid the weak, the elderly, the disabled, the widows.
After all, it says in the Bible that we should help the widows and those unabled to take care of themselves.
But able-bodied families, able-bodied men, people who can work--they have no excuse. I don't mind breaking my bank for those who cannot, but those that can, can die in a hole in my honest opinion.
That is the great thing about Russia. That doesn't happen there.
I did not come from Russia to America to pay for those who do not work. I came to work with those who work great, the American spirit of labor has been inspirational for many Russians. Let me tell you we Russians are exceptionally lazy. If we find something that works, we use it, and look for something better. That is why we advanced our technologies, copied, improved, invented, and utilized what was at hand first, rather than growing without a care.
I think thats the difference between US Special Forces and RU Special Forces. In the Russian army I was taught to survive in the woods, the wild (although I did participate in Special Forces training and this is more of a SpecOps thing) to shoot quickly and aim accurately even on the go. In the US we have optics and other fancy technologies to assist us. Russian weapons are dumb--nothing smart about them. What makes them powerful is the person wielding the gun. Rely on skill rather than technology--that is the heart of Russian special forces. Make our weapons work despite being soaked in water, filled with sand, clogged in humid environments--the AK-103 still works, still stands.
Should an EMP occur, there goes American weapons and tech while our Russians can still use our weaponry.
We fight for those who cannot fight. That is why when we see those who can fight but are not, it pisses us the hell off.
I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
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