DUST Search - JLAV's needs to go

calisk galern wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

NOTICE: Several of you (pretty much over 95% Wants to critize me and label myself as a tanker scrub. note that I have also said numerous things about balancing on the vehicle side as well in terms of briging them back down to earth. Nobody was adressing this issue that neds to be fixed (ironically was quick to want to nerf them into the ground however Roll

). If you want to have any smart comments after this, go ahead; you'll just be a idiotic troll.

JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's.

People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill.

Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense.

Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage.

Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all.

Peace, Godin Twisted

True that, I remember my old Surya costing about 3 mill or more fit. That was a while ago now though. Speced out of tanks on this character a long time ago. Have an alt for vehicles now.

What's this

if you put the re's inside the lav's they won't damage the tank and same for the side, you can try to slide into th tank, but it's much much much harder to accomplish since you slow down which will lead to you not blowing up on impact

as for this line "Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all." same thing can be said about your blaster tank while you farm infantry .

lore wise they do explode when shot or hit by explosives, thus the force of the lav setting them off makes perfect sense.

ji had lav's are nothing like old av every person was a ji-had jeep in the old builds tankers actually had to be careful, on top of that tanks are 1/3 the price they used to be so most tankers don't even care when they lose a tank.

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Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:36:00 - [211] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You know what? There's no hope for you damn idiots. Yeah... I don't think you're going to get constructive responses by calling people idiots. Just more rage towards tankers and pilots in general. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:37:00 - [212] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You know what? There's no hope for you damn idiots. Yeah... I don't think you're going to get constructive responses by calling people idiots. Just more rage towards tankers and pilots in general. Though you do have a few. Care to reply, or is the thread terminated due to excessive insults? Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2051	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:39:00 - [213] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You know what? There's no hope for you damn idiots. Yeah... I don't think you're going to get constructive responses by calling people idiots. Just more rage towards tankers and pilots in general. Though you do have a few. Care to reply, or is the thread terminated due to excessive insults? Probably the latter, we have literally spelt out how to counter them and he still whines, all the while he complains we aren't using insuffecient gear in the middle of the road infront of his blaster barrel. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 499	Posted - 2014.02.25 02:39:00 - [214] - Quote Message from Godin: WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 16	Posted - 2014.02.25 02:59:00 - [215] - Quote BEFORE I SAY THIS, i also want to state that i am i tanker, i love my proto tank, and no i dont give a f**k about jihad lav's so, to conclude....GIT GUD SCRUB Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 22	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:04:00 - [216] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You know what? There's no hope for you damn idiots. Haha how to kick Godin from his HAV free of charge? BPO Lav + all tier remotes + supply + dragonfly with toxin/exile + Godin in HAV. Easy job. Free Jihadinians
Zack3000 Smith Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 16	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:19:00 - [217] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: then remove op tanks and make them cost more than an adv fitting. This is what needs to happen
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2260	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:48:00 - [218] - Quote A official message from CCP to godin: HTFU I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 807	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:52:00 - [219] - Quote Only 2 likes for OP, first four 'get gud OP tank scrub' replies have 187 likes. That's murder
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 09:22:00 - [220] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: if someone is willing to kill themselves out of spite in order to have a chance at destroying an enemy tank, it just goes to show how overpowered tanks are, and that tank invincibility to any other tactic needs to go So like suicide scouts with REs G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel

xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 09:50:00 - [221] - Quote I've seen this tank problem from all sides, in a tanker alt, pro forgegunner,in a jihad jeep, and the guy getting stomped in ambush or dom. From these points of view I can say this, jihad jeeps are way easier to kill tanks than anything ever was in the entirety of my time playing and requires no skill with little to no isk. I've killed hundreds of tanks with my assualt forge and I still believe they are in a good place, on a tanker alt that I use often it is very hard to kill jihad jeeps and even harder to see them coming. The only slighty effective counter against jihad jeeps is for a rail tank to destroy all supply depots in the match (if its even possible on that map) this discourages this type of behavior but does not prevent it and is hard to counter. As a guy getting wrecked on ambush or dom I feel the communities pain but it sucks that this community is alienating tankers. This thread has shown me that all anyone wants to do is burn another play style, these comments are mostly without logic, lacking any ideas for improvement and consist of nothing more than childish taunting. If you really believe jihad jeeps are fair bring out an easy mode invincible tank, after you lose the first two with very little fighting chance you'll go back to your pro scout, your pro logi or your pro assualt and laught it off say he got me (he's good) just remember a lot of tankers only have 1 role. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 204	Posted - 2014.03.17 09:59:00 - [222] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: I've seen this tank problem from all sides, in a tanker alt, pro forgegunner,in a jihad jeep, and the guy getting stomped in ambush or dom. From these points of view I can say this, jihad jeeps are way easier to kill tanks than anything ever was in the entirety of my time playing and requires no skill with little to no isk. I've killed hundreds of tanks with my assualt forge and I still believe they are in a good place, on a tanker alt that I use often it is very hard to kill jihad jeeps and even harder to see them coming. The only slighty effective counter against jihad jeeps is for a rail tank to destroy all supply depots in the match (if its even possible on that map) this discourages this type of behavior but does not prevent it and is hard to counter. As a guy getting wrecked on ambush or dom I feel the communities pain but it sucks that this community is alienating tankers. This thread has shown me that all anyone wants to do is burn another play style, these comments are mostly without logic, lacking any ideas for improvement and consist of nothing more than childish taunting. If you really believe jihad jeeps are fair bring out an easy mode invincible tank, after you lose the first two with very little fighting chance you'll go back to your pro scout, your pro logi or your pro assualt and laught it off say he got me (he's good) just remember a lot of tankers only have 1 role. Well, what about you get a friggin gunner in your top turret who covers your back? Would also prevent those pesky scouts to sneak up on you with remotes. You run a three man vehicle on your own and complain if you get killed from your blind side? HTFU is all I can say to that.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 535	Posted - 2014.03.17 09:59:00 - [223] - Quote 10/10 Troll was majorly successful!!!! You must teach me your ways good sir. I game over like a boss.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:03:00 - [224] - Quote 3 man vehicle, so your calling drop ships, assualt dropships 3 man vehicles? No one like to be the little blaster and I don't know about you but I can't force 2 guys to jumps in my tank. Even if I could if a large blaster won't do the trick why would a small turret fair any better. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:04:00 - [225] - Quote Also I don't believe scouts with Res are a problem, just jihad jeeps. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 204	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:09:00 - [226] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: 3 man vehicle, so your calling drop ships, assualt dropships 3 man vehicles? No one like to be the little blaster and I don't know about you but I can't force 2 guys to jumps in my tank. Even if I could if a large blaster won't do the trick why would a small turret fair any better. Well a small rocket turret might have a better chance to detonate those remotes on the jeep than your clumsy rail/blaster turret. I know it's hard to find good gunners, but if I fly my DS (ADS and std) I usually try to find a decent gunner to be more effective with it.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:14:00 - [227] - Quote "Try and find" I get it, its nice but ppl only want in if its a blaster (usually), you can't force anyone to do anything. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 204	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:23:00 - [228] - Quote The point is, kamikaze jeeps aren't more of a crutch than your op tanks are, if that makes you loose tanks, well you have to play more in a team, since this is a team game and not just a 1 person gets a tank suit and anihilates everything game... If you can't find gunners, make a bigger effort. There is a DS channel where gunners are regularly searching for pilots. Do something similar... We have to live with your op tanks too... and I tend not to complain about that too much, since i usually manage to dodge a lot of the encounters with HAVs (ambush is a different story, but that gamemode is crap anyway...).
Sam Booty Valor Coalition 35	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:24:00 - [229] - Quote The only problem about JLAV is that they are not enough of them.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 847	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:26:00 - [230] - Quote One of my favorite games is popping my hardeners at the last possible second before a Jihad Jeep hits me. I find it amusing to have them ram me over and over and yet I don't die. Best PVE idea I've seen.

Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 136	Posted - 2014.03.17 10:58:00 - [231] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: I've seen this tank problem from all sides, in a tanker alt, pro forgegunner,in a jihad jeep, and the guy getting stomped in ambush or dom. From these points of view I can say this, jihad jeeps are way easier to kill tanks than anything ever was in the entirety of my time playing and requires no skill with little to no isk. I've killed hundreds of tanks with my assualt forge and I still believe they are in a good place, on a tanker alt that I use often it is very hard to kill jihad jeeps and even harder to see them coming. The only slighty effective counter against jihad jeeps is for a rail tank to destroy all supply depots in the match (if its even possible on that map) this discourages this type of behavior but does not prevent it and is hard to counter. As a guy getting wrecked on ambush or dom I feel the communities pain but it sucks that this community is alienating tankers. This thread has shown me that all anyone wants to do is burn another play style, these comments are mostly without logic, lacking any ideas for improvement and consist of nothing more than childish taunting. If you really believe jihad jeeps are fair bring out an easy mode invincible tank, after you lose the first two with very little fighting chance you'll go back to your pro scout, your pro logi or your pro assualt and laught it off say he got me (he's good) just remember a lot of tankers only have 1 role. As someone who's slowly made his way around every form of AV to try and stop tank spam winning matches I'd like to point out how wrong you are... The easiest way to kill a tank, is with another tank with multiple damage mods on it. I have been spamming tanks to blow up all the enemy tanks (in a hope that at some point in the match they give up and I can fly my dropship and have a little bit of fun before they call out another one) and have been hit by 0 JLAV's, I've seen several and shot them, it's called awareness of your surroundings. As a JLAV you have to first of all avoid all random blue's who want to take your jeep, then you've gotta find the tank, driving up to it without anyone shooting out your bombs (with any weapon!) and then you actually have to detonate by not flipping the thing over the top of the tank. A blaster tank can easily just land 1 shot on any bomb and the whole thing goes up, railguns are slower but you don't even need to hit the bombs to blow it up. In comparison it's much faster and easier to call in a tank in a place the tankers aren't looking (not difficult since 90% of tankers are too stupid to keep an eye on their surroundings) and shoot them from that blind spot you have to drive up to in a JLAV. As far as forge guns go, anything other than militia tanks are easily going to escape even the most powerful of forges... If the tank runs away after the first shot (as they all do) they don't even need the turbo boost formula 1 grade tank to get out of range or behind something before you can get enough shots of to kill it.
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 21	Posted - 2014.03.17 11:03:00 - [232] - Quote I hate tank spammers so much that I'd be willing to pay for an LAV of the suicide killer. As much as it would annoy me, people bring the JLAVs (from my experience) only in the situations where tankers become incredibly annoying and spam their ****** tanks over and over again like they couldn't pick up a rifle once in a while instead. So screw any team with 4 tanks on the field 1 minute into the battle. They all deserve to die, and I think I just found out what I am spending my extra SP on...
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 78	Posted - 2014.03.17 11:23:00 - [233] - Quote There are any number of solutions to this problem. I wouldn't mind the JLAV's being removed altogether if other things were balanced accordingly simultaneously to fix the issue. AV Grenades (yes even at prototype) are currently a joke versus tanks and dropships. Come 1.8 they'll be absolutely useless (max carried is 2) A simple answer is just to remove tanks from AMBUSH. They warp the game mode into being about who has a tank or tanks. The map is tighter, no safe spots to hide, you'll get flushed out and killed by a vehicle. Does your team have 1-4 tankers? Congrats, you'll likely win the match. Balancing AV or tank/dropship health/dps would be the correct solution. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2584	Posted - 2014.03.17 11:51:00 - [234] - Quote Iv not the 12 pages so this directed at OP. If i could engage a tank in fair combat i would but im risking making a isk loss because all my AV is effectively pointless so i will jlav until their is a better option at killing redline tanks and lolblasters and well tanks in general "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2158	Posted - 2014.03.17 12:18:00 - [235] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: NOTICE: Several of you (pretty much over 95% Wants to critize me and label myself as a tanker scrub. note that I have also said numerous things about balancing on the vehicle side as well in terms of briging them back down to earth. Nobody was adressing this issue that neds to be fixed (ironically was quick to want to nerf them into the ground however ). If you want to have any smart comments after this, go ahead; you'll just be a idiotic troll. JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin What's this if you put the re's inside the lav's they won't damage the tank and same for the side, you can try to slide into th tank, but it's much much much harder to accomplish since you slow down which will lead to you not blowing up on impact as for this line "Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all." same thing can be said about your blaster tank while you farm infantry . lore wise they do explode when shot or hit by explosives, thus the force of the lav setting them off makes perfect sense. ji had lav's are nothing like old av every person was a ji-had jeep in the old builds tankers actually had to be careful, on top of that tanks are 1/3 the price they used to be so most tankers don't even care when they lose a tank.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1052	Posted - 2014.03.17 12:27:00 - [236] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: NOTICE: Several of you (pretty much over 95% Wants to critize me and label myself as a tanker scrub. note that I have also said numerous things about balancing on the vehicle side as well in terms of briging them back down to earth. Nobody was adressing this issue that neds to be fixed (ironically was quick to want to nerf them into the ground however ). If you want to have any smart comments after this, go ahead; you'll just be a idiotic troll. JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin True that, I remember my old Surya costing about 3 mill or more fit. That was a while ago now though. Speced out of tanks on this character a long time ago. Have an alt for vehicles now. What's this if you put the re's inside the lav's they won't damage the tank and same for the side, you can try to slide into th tank, but it's much much much harder to accomplish since you slow down which will lead to you not blowing up on impact as for this line "Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all." same thing can be said about your blaster tank while you farm infantry . lore wise they do explode when shot or hit by explosives, thus the force of the lav setting them off makes perfect sense. ji had lav's are nothing like old av every person was a ji-had jeep in the old builds tankers actually had to be careful, on top of that tanks are 1/3 the price they used to be so most tankers don't even care when they lose a tank. Investigate 9/11
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1158	Posted - 2014.03.17 12:32:00 - [237] - Quote Until this "it should take a team effort to kill 1 tank" bs goes away and AV is fixed, JLAV's should go nowhere as they are about it for fighting a tank solo and are useless against redline mountain railsnipers. Fix my swarms so that when I 1v1 a tank it's a real fight and not a one sided slaughter, and I'll support you wholeheartedly. As an AV vet, when I fight a tanker vet 1v1 I want a real challenge. Not for either of us to maul the other in mere moments. When 2 AV vets fight 1 tanker vet, he should have to be heavily defensive. When 3 go after him, he should be running for his life. And same in reverse. And tankers who say swarms shouldn't be as strong as forge guns against tanks can kiss my ass as long as swarms remain lock-on fire only with slow missiles that cannot in any way affect infantry while forges are dumbfire high-speed long-range AV sniper rifles. Simply put, swarms should be just as good as forges at AV since swarms give up all anti-infantry capability in order to be an AV weapon capable of being run on suits other than heavies. Plasma cannons should be just as good as forges too since they give up UBER amounts of projectile speed and clip size in order to be an AV weapon capable of being run on a run on non-heavy suits. It's direct damage 1 shots 99.9% of infantry right now anyway, so there is no reason it's direct damage shouldn't equal that of a forge. As for AV grenades, since they are going from 3 down to 2 and resupply rates are dropping, their damage needs to be upped by 1.75 of what it is now. Give me viable AV first, and I'll back you 100%. And I can guarantee you that 90% of the real AVers will back you as well since JLAV's will be trying to snipe our prey away from us. MAG ~ Raven
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 511	Posted - 2014.03.17 12:35:00 - [238] - Quote If they take away sticking to friendly vehicles what happens if I throw remotes on a enemy vehicle then hack it afterwards? 32db Mad Bomber.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 12:57:00 - [239] - Quote Wow I guess my forge is special or something blew up 3 particle cannons and numerous adv turrets just saturday, but your probably right it only works vs militia tanks. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 2170	Posted - 2014.03.17 13:06:00 - [240] - Quote no, godin. they're right. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!



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