I agree that tanks are way too hard to kill.

But for the tanker, it's a pain in the ******* ass to be "rewarded" for a well-played match by losing their 500K tank to some raging raspberry *******.

Jihad jeeping should NOT be one of the AV options. It's bullshit and you people defending it KNOW it's bullshit.

Until this "it should take a team effort to kill 1 tank" bs goes away and AV is fixed, JLAV's should go nowhere as they are about it for fighting a tank solo and are useless against redline mountain railsnipers. Fix my swarms so that when I 1v1 a tank it's a real fight and not a one sided slaughter, and I'll support you wholeheartedly. As an AV vet, when I fight a tanker vet 1v1 I want a real challenge. Not for either of us to maul the other in mere moments. When 2 AV vets fight 1 tanker vet, he should have to be heavily defensive. When 3 go after him, he should be running for his life. And same in reverse.

And tankers who say swarms shouldn't be as strong as forge guns against tanks can kiss my ass as long as swarms remain lock-on fire only with slow missiles that cannot in any way affect infantry while forges are dumbfire high-speed long-range AV sniper rifles. Simply put, swarms should be just as good as forges at AV since swarms give up all anti-infantry capability in order to be an AV weapon capable of being run on suits other than heavies. Plasma cannons should be just as good as forges too since they give up UBER amounts of projectile speed and clip size in order to be an AV weapon capable of being run on a run on non-heavy suits. It's direct damage 1 shots 99.9% of infantry right now anyway, so there is no reason it's direct damage shouldn't equal that of a forge.

As for AV grenades, since they are going from 3 down to 2 and resupply rates are dropping, their damage needs to be upped by 1.75 of what it is now.

Give me viable AV first, and I'll back you 100%. And I can guarantee you that 90% of the real AVers will back you as well since JLAV's will be trying to snipe our prey away from us.

One of my favorite games is popping my hardeners at the last possible second before a Jihad Jeep hits me. I find it amusing to have them ram me over and over and yet I don't die.

17 REs

Thats 18,000 damage

No Tank Hardened or unhardened has withstood it as of yet

What if both you and a friend loaded up your LAV with REs? Who would the kill, I wonder?

Let's work on Dropship collision then too. Why should anybody be able to take down a Dropship by ramming it?

Let's work on Dropship collision then too. Why should anybody be able to take down a Dropship by ramming it?

If the HAV driver can't kill the Jihad jeep or make them miss, they're doing it wrong.

I agree that tanks are way too hard to kill.

But for the tanker, it's a pain in the ******* ass to be "rewarded" for a well-played match by losing their 500K tank to some raging raspberry *******.

Jihad jeeping should NOT be one of the AV options. It's bullshit and you people defending it KNOW it's bullshit.

lol, you must've never tried it. MLT hardener and nitro makes it impossible to kill them in a short enough time frame.

But it's insanely fun to tell allahu akbar 20 times as the lav runs up your backside in a glorious explosion. Can't wait for someone to put their had jeep antics in YouTube format with al qaeda music over it.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I have already replied in this topic, but JLAVs are fine. Situational awareness and good audio levels is what prevents JLAVs from wreaking your day.

If you have people who never shut up on mic, tell them that they have to pay for your tanks because their chattiness is preventing you from surviving.

+1. This is almost a different game with headphones on.

NOTICE: Several of you (pretty much over 95% Wants to critize me and label myself as a tanker scrub. note that I have also said numerous things about balancing on the vehicle side as well in terms of briging them back down to earth. Nobody was adressing this issue that neds to be fixed (ironically was quick to want to nerf them into the ground however ). If you want to have any smart comments after this, go ahead; you'll just be a idiotic troll.


JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's.

People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill.

Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense.

Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage.

Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all.


Peace, Godin

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Godin. I'm willing to support you on getting rid of the JLAVs, although i really hate to see them go: it's the kind of sandboxy solution i love in New Eden. But this game is so fubared right now that CCP has got me into a state where i'm willing to give up my New Eden ideals just to get some good gameplay outta this piece of.....well, i'm sure you get the point.

Here's what i want in return: Your support on my Tank balancing platform:

1) Web grenades.
2) Hardener stacking penalty to duty cycle.
3) LAV mounted swarms.

Deal?