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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:42:00 -
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I still say they're fine.
I've been losing 500k + to suicide dropships since the dawn of DUST, welcome to the big leagues, I say.
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1910
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:44:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:NOTICE: Several of you (pretty much over 95% Wants to critize me and label myself as a tanker scrub. note that I have also said numerous things about balancing on the vehicle side as well in terms of briging them back down to earth. Nobody was adressing this issue that neds to be fixed (ironically was quick to want to nerf them into the ground however ). If you want to have any smart comments after this, go ahead; you'll just be a idiotic troll. JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin What's this Just Shut UP!!!!
1: I refuse
2: Read the notice at the very top
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1910
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I still say they're fine.
I've been losing 500k + to suicide dropships since the dawn of DUST, welcome to the big leagues, I say.
Your argument is "Because I get rammed, so should you.". What kind of drugs are you on? Ramming is universally bullshit.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
231
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:54:00 -
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It just keeps going... in hindsight, I recently came across a tanker who shot my LAV (While I was chasing another LAV around, trying to get my gunner to blow him up and generally just screwing around not being useful because fun) I respawned after getting blown up and immediately called in another LAV. He blew that up too before I could get everything on it and prepare it for the suicide run. I called in another one, tried again, failed due to hardeners on his shield tank. Repeated the process, but he got smart. Instead of risking getting his tank blown up, he simply got out, recalled it, and went on foot. We ran into each other a few more times, I knifed him once, he shot me a few times, I did the same, but I never did get to blow up his tank (though I probably cost him quite a bit of Isk from those proto suits he was running)
Moral of the story. If someone is determined to kill your tank with a suicide car, simply recall it and leave them to drive around. Not every single player is willing to throw away Isk for a chance to kill what could just be a cheap militia tank.
Also, you never did answer my last post about the Isk not mattering.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1911
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:00:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:It just keeps going... in hindsight, I recently came across a tanker who shot my LAV (While I was chasing another LAV around, trying to get my gunner to blow him up and generally just screwing around not being useful because fun) I respawned after getting blown up and immediately called in another LAV. He blew that up too before I could get everything on it and prepare it for the suicide run. I called in another one, tried again, failed due to hardeners on his shield tank. Repeated the process, but he got smart. Instead of risking getting his tank blown up, he simply got out, recalled it, and went on foot. We ran into each other a few more times, I knifed him once, he shot me a few times, I did the same, but I never did get to blow up his tank (though I probably cost him quite a bit of Isk from those proto suits he was running) Moral of the story. If someone is determined to kill your tank with a suicide car, simply recall it and leave them to drive around. Not every single player is willing to throw away Isk for a chance to kill what could just be a cheap militia tank. Also, you never did answer my last post about the Isk not mattering.
1: Shield hardeners are broken, so that doesn't matter
2: You should've called it in away from the shield HAV
3: 95% of the time, I'm asked to be a pilot, so "Go on foot" is not a good answer at all. No
So try again. Also, ISK does in fact matter.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
231
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:06:00 -
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*Points back to his post a few pages back explaining why Isk doesn't matter* I can post the page number if needed.
And I called it in my redline near the ground spawn. Didn't expect he'd drive into the redline just to shoot a single LAV.
Edit: So... you play the game the way other people want, and not the way you want?
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:09:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I still say they're fine.
I've been losing 500k + to suicide dropships since the dawn of DUST, welcome to the big leagues, I say.
Your argument is "Because I get rammed, so should you.". What kind of drugs are you on? Ramming is universally bullshit. No, it just pushes you to increase your awareness and communication with your squad.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
231
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:10:00 -
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Eh, I'll just repost, seeing as it was ignored last time.
Crimson ShieId wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Silence!! you ruining the point I was trying to make with your logic.
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I logged 1300 hours playing battlefield 3
Rest assured, jihad jeeping was not a tactic. It was solely used for trolling and lols.
The reason I can say this with 100% certainty?
Infantry and Vehicles were properly balanced in that game. It took a lot of time and effort on the devs part, rock/paper/scissor actually existed and worked in BF3 (well except maybe for a solid jet pilot, but we don't have to worry about those yet lol)
So you're saying that a game in which things do matter should be balanced like ones that don't? Logic is absent. But... things don't matter. At least not yet. There's no real interaction between Dust and Eve yet, winning or losing a battle doesn't make a big difference, there's not even an ISK payout difference for winning. Heck, you at least got a little bit extra in Battlefield for winning... well, I suppose PC and FW matter, but not to the point that we'd like them to. ISK matters, and it always will (even if tQ shouts down, as it's Icelands name for its currency too lol). and FW and PC will matter SOONtm. There will be many other things that matters, but most of all, ISK matters. So yes, things in Dust do in fact matter. try again. But it doesn't. Unless you're determined to always run proto suits. If we weren't able to use cheaper fits, it might. If we weren't able to use blueprints, it might. It can't matter as is, because the player market doesn't exist. There's no rise and fall in stocks. You play a game, you get Isk. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you get it. You can do nothing at all aside from equipment spam the entire game and get Isk. You can redline snipe and get Isk. Heck, Isk is more dependent on what the other team is using than what YOU do. If things eventually get fixed with PC and we get a player market, perhaps Isk will matter, but it doesn't right now. A player can do well with a militia, basic, or advanced suit, just the same as they can with proto gear, especially if they're in a competent squad. The same thing can be said of tanks. I can buy three or four militia tanks right now and do very well for that meager investment and even manage to make it all back in one game. And no, I don't have 200 million Isk, so I'm not saying all this just because I've got plenty to spend. P.S. Biomassing clones. I rest my case.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1911
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:24:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:But it doesn't. Unless you're determined to always run proto suits. If we weren't able to use cheaper fits, it might. If we weren't able to use blueprints, it might. It can't matter as is, because the player market doesn't exist. There's no rise and fall in stocks. You play a game, you get Isk. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you get it. You can do nothing at all aside from equipment spam the entire game and get Isk. You can redline snipe and get Isk. Heck, Isk is more dependent on what the other team is using than what YOU do. If things eventually get fixed with PC and we get a player market, perhaps Isk will matter, but it doesn't right now. A player can do well with a militia, basic, or advanced suit, just the same as they can with proto gear, especially if they're in a competent squad. The same thing can be said of tanks. I can buy three or four militia tanks right now and do very well for that meager investment and even manage to make it all back in one game. And no, I don't have 200 million Isk, so I'm not saying all this just because I've got plenty to spend. P.S. Biomassing clones. I rest my case. [/quote]
There's no BPO vehicles
I can't even run a full PROTO fit Maddy
and we buy fits with ISK, so yes, it does matter. IF you had no ISK, how would you buy anything?
If you don't think ISK matters, give me all of yours. In one hour, I'll check to see if you did so. If you didn't, I rest my case.
Also, I don't do exploits.
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1911
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I still say they're fine.
I've been losing 500k + to suicide dropships since the dawn of DUST, welcome to the big leagues, I say.
Your argument is "Because I get rammed, so should you.". What kind of drugs are you on? Ramming is universally bullshit. No, it just pushes you to increase your awareness and communication with your squad.
You...... you make no sense whatsoever......
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Mahal Daj
Mahal Tactical Enterprises
39
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:34:00 -
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scrub strategy for scrub blues!
idea, what if placing RE's on a blue hull auto-starts the self-destruct timer. Don't make JLAV impossible, but make it less than very-easy.
Boost your squad's points by 40%, learn to use the Squad Wheel!
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
231
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:42:00 -
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There are plenty of BPO LAV's.
Technically impossible to run a full proto madruger. Aren't those classified as standard vehicles? Advanced perhaps.
I don't need to buy things if I'm running starter fits, and I get enough Isk from every game I play to fund my scout suits. It's not like I have to do something special to get Isk. Anything I do gets me Isk, even if it's camping in the redline sniping the whole game. True, I'll get more by being on the field supporting my team, but if I lose a bunch of suits in the process, what profit is there? It's just a revolving cycle. Why do you get into battles? To earn Isk and SP. Why do you want to earn Isk and SP? So I can buy more gear to earn more Isk and SP. If there were more things to spend your Isk on that mattered and less exploits, it would be different, but there's not. It's just play a game, get Isk, use that Isk to restock whatever fittings were lost in that game, then continue. Rinse and repeat.
I wouldn't help fund a tanker, even to prove a point. I see enough tanks on the battlefield as is and I spend way too much time trying to get rid of them, the last thing I want is to encourage more tank spam.
Just because you yourself don't take advantage of exploits doesn't mean other people don't. Why do you think CCP is taking so long to implement a player market? They don't have a clue how to work around things like BPO's and PC exploits in order to make an actual market work. Until exploits (And BPO's) are gone from the game, a fair player market couldn't exist.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
248
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:47:00 -
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Today as an experiment I will be running JLAVs in tankbush matches today.
My set up:
Sever BPO Exile Assault Rifle STD REs ADV REs 49s Nanohive BPO
Blood Raider LAV BPO Militia Overdrive
total cost: I dunno whats a militia overdrive go for these days?
run towards redline, call in jeep, throw down nanohive, decorate my LAV, find tank, collect tears
If you happen to be playing tankbush today with your tanks..as you do...good luck. I hope I see you before you see me. Will report back with actual numbers of tanks down versus me getting blown up.
FOR SCIENCE!
We can pickle that.
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
248
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:52:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:There are plenty of BPO LAV's.
Technically impossible to run a full proto madruger. Aren't those classified as standard vehicles? Advanced perhaps.
I don't need to buy things if I'm running starter fits, and I get enough Isk from every game I play to fund my scout suits. It's not like I have to do something special to get Isk. Anything I do gets me Isk, even if it's camping in the redline sniping the whole game. True, I'll get more by being on the field supporting my team, but if I lose a bunch of suits in the process, what profit is there? It's just a revolving cycle. Why do you get into battles? To earn Isk and SP. Why do you want to earn Isk and SP? So I can buy more gear to earn more Isk and SP. If there were more things to spend your Isk on that mattered and less exploits, it would be different, but there's not. It's just play a game, get Isk, use that Isk to restock whatever fittings were lost in that game, then continue. Rinse and repeat.
I wouldn't help fund a tanker, even to prove a point. I see enough tanks on the battlefield as is and I spend way too much time trying to get rid of them, the last thing I want is to encourage more tank spam.
Just because you yourself don't take advantage of exploits doesn't mean other people don't. Why do you think CCP is taking so long to implement a player market? They don't have a clue how to work around things like BPO's and PC exploits in order to make an actual market work. Until exploits (And BPO's) are gone from the game, a fair player market couldn't exist.
I fail to see how BPOs are preventing a fair player market. I know a lot of ISK is going to be changing hands over some BPOs. Why would CCP offer them as rewards to recruiters if they were destroying the ability to make a fair player market?
We can pickle that.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
231
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:08:00 -
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Something about BPO's making people more Isk than PC. There's been talk of removing them entirely, but it seems to come down to CCP not knowing what to do about the people who spent actual money on these things. They can't just take away things that people paid for without getting a huge backlash.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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