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Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:45:00 - [151] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Viktor Skirov wrote: Godin, I respect you, but I disagree with the removal of JLAVS, at least for now. Yes, i've done it, but you know?, i've only succeeded only 3 times of 17 i've tryed (I aim at MLT tanks only), and always or I'm at bad terrain, or I don't get enough speed, or I just simply hit them, but there's no BOOM, due to the impact not registering, and it's not just simply "Go ram ram!" it's or sacrificing a vehicle to distract the user, or sacrifice infantry. It's a cheap tactic, usually a "Crutchling" one, and as I said, I only use it when there are MLT tanks (Test subjects... Ya know...) And also, how is that you can't kill a driver with a large blaster, possibly a Ion Cannon, I don't know what fit you use, if I can kill drivers using a turret that has some hit detection issues (Screw tanks, i'll stay with my Methana with ADV railgun). Tell me what happens, because i've been exterminated by blasters several times on my LAV, WHILE USING NITRO. And all those, using a sentinel suit with 600 S and 894 A (Approximately, can't remenber correctly) It's probably hit detection, and you're just unlucky. Haven't shot anyone out the pilot's seat of a LAV since 1.6.. Weirdly, I've shot one out of the passenger's seat. Well, still not agree with you, but I'm not going to come with wah wah wah, I like that jihading, and actually the counters to tanks are a pain on the nut for someone who plays solo 24/7 (Im terribad at finding trustworthy people, plus voice server doesn't work for me), but yeah, being on a Jihhad needs to have someone thinking their route, and there are many places on the terrain that will negate your suicide attempt, and let the tanker know what's up, and personally I find pretty hard not be blown up (At least on the times i've tried jihhading) by infantry or impacting a wall due to a bounce. And well... Yeah... Let's say that my luck is good as the one of a cow on the slaughterhouse. Screw tanks!, fix small blaster... Or give it a cookie called "Dispersion", That'll do. ¡FIRING MAH LIL' RAILGHAUN!
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1757	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:45:00 - [152] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Old av was perfect because it did it's job. it countered vehicles effectively. The balance is broken now. LOL, this is far from the truth. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1757	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:50:00 - [153] - Quote Viktor Skirov wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Viktor Skirov wrote: Godin, I respect you, but I disagree with the removal of JLAVS, at least for now. Yes, i've done it, but you know?, i've only succeeded only 3 times of 17 i've tryed (I aim at MLT tanks only), and always or I'm at bad terrain, or I don't get enough speed, or I just simply hit them, but there's no BOOM, due to the impact not registering, and it's not just simply "Go ram ram!" it's or sacrificing a vehicle to distract the user, or sacrifice infantry. It's a cheap tactic, usually a "Crutchling" one, and as I said, I only use it when there are MLT tanks (Test subjects... Ya know...) And also, how is that you can't kill a driver with a large blaster, possibly a Ion Cannon, I don't know what fit you use, if I can kill drivers using a turret that has some hit detection issues (Screw tanks, i'll stay with my Methana with ADV railgun). Tell me what happens, because i've been exterminated by blasters several times on my LAV, WHILE USING NITRO. And all those, using a sentinel suit with 600 S and 894 A (Approximately, can't remenber correctly) It's probably hit detection, and you're just unlucky. Haven't shot anyone out the pilot's seat of a LAV since 1.6.. Weirdly, I've shot one out of the passenger's seat. Well, still not agree with you, but I'm not going to come with wah wah wah, I like that jihading, and actually the counters to tanks are a pain on the nut for someone who plays solo 24/7 (Im terribad at finding trustworthy people, plus voice server doesn't work for me), but yeah, being on a Jihhad needs to have someone thinking their route, and there are many places on the terrain that will negate your suicide attempt, and let the tanker know what's up, and personally I find pretty hard not be blown up (At least on the times i've tried jihhading) by infantry or impacting a wall due to a bounce. And well... Yeah... Let's say that my luck is good as the one of a cow on the slaughterhouse. planning? rough terrain ? If you are having these problems, you're doing it wrong. Out of the 25 times I tried this, I hit and killed the target every single time (normal testing anyways; I did 30 tests, but those 5 left over, the Re's failed to go off). 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 517	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:51:00 - [154] - Quote This thread is still going on? I'll help out, here's the TL;DR of this entire ***. Godin - Jihads are OP and are far too effective for their price range. Nothing should be so unstoppable and cause me these kind of deaths! Forumgoers - But you are driving an HAV? Wanting something nerfed against your OP vehicle is hypocritical, right? Godin - I know I'm driving a mostly unstoppable killing machine that shrugs off AV like The Incredible Hulk, but im so mad about jihad LAV's i want them fixed NAOW! Forumgoers - But again, thats hypocritical...what? Godin - I'm not being a hypocrite, because I said HAV's are too OP in their current form and they need some tweaking done! Forumgoers - But...but..You know the HAV's are currently borked and can bend the entire battlefield over for some advanced bedchamber tactics, and are still using them...just like the people using the OP borked Jihad LAV's for an easy tank kill. Can you not see the issue here? Godin - ignores it entirely and moves on to the next post that lets him repeat the same context of his OP, but in a new thread in hopes people will overlook his flaws* /thread
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 71	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:53:00 - [155] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You are absolutely a complete ******* idiot. Yet you are the one who is whining about JLAVs, all I did was point out how asinine that idea was. You even claimed that hardeners are the culprit as a way to justify the pwnage of the HAVs but called for the nerf of JLAVs not the hardeners. I stand by my claim that you (the generic tanker) want things both ways, ie you want to sodomize each and every cranberry that crosses your path AND you want them to be armed with nothing more than a soft, purple dildo. In essesence you want to be a demigod, with every other toon bowing in awe in your presence. I'll propose a compromise, the removal of JLAVs against HAVs inability to engage infantry. Sounds fair, you don't have to worry about a effin' Jeep crawling up your anus (not much of a tanker if you are worried about a Jeep, but I digress) and I, as infantry, can go about my business of securing/defending points (you know, the crap that actually wins matches) without thinking about the three tanks spawn camping CRUs/DUs. How's that sound?
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:55:00 - [156] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin What's this Jihad Jeeps are some of the most beautiful things I've seen in this world, don't you dare take them away from me. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1757	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:55:00 - [157] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: This thread is still going on? I'll help out, here's the TL;DR of this entire ***. Godin - Jihads are OP and are far too effective for their price range. Nothing should be so unstoppable and cause me these kind of deaths! Forumgoers - But you are driving an HAV? Wanting something nerfed against your OP vehicle is hypocritical, right? Godin - I know I'm driving a mostly unstoppable killing machine that shrugs off AV like The Incredible Hulk, but im so mad about jihad LAV's i want them fixed NAOW! Forumgoers - But again, thats hypocritical...what? Godin - I'm not being a hypocrite, because I said HAV's are too OP in their current form and they need some tweaking done! Forumgoers - But...but..You know the HAV's are currently borked and can bend the entire battlefield over for some advanced bedchamber tactics, and are still using them...just like the people using the OP borked Jihad LAV's for an easy tank kill. Can you not see the issue here? Godin - ignores it entirely and moves on to the next post that lets him repeat the same context of his OP, but in a new thread in hopes people will overlook his flaws* /thread Wrong. I said they need to be fixed all at once. I stopped using my HAV's about 3 weeks ago, and stopped playing 2 weeks ago (waiting on 1.8), so that's also wrong. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1744	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:56:00 - [158] - Quote Aleph Rynedee wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You are absolutely a complete ******* idiot. Yet you are the one who is whining about JLAVs, all I did was point out how asinine that idea was. You even claimed that hardeners are the culprit as a way to justify the pwnage of the HAVs but called for the nerf of JLAVs not the hardeners. I stand by my claim that you (the generic tanker) want things both ways, ie you want to sodomize each and every cranberry that crosses your path AND you want them to be armed with nothing more than a soft, purple dildo. In essesence you want to be a demigod, with every other toon bowing in awe in your presence. I'll propose a compromise, the removal of JLAVs against HAVs inability to engage infantry. Sounds fair, you don't have to worry about a effin' Jeep crawling up your anus (not much of a tanker if you are worried about a Jeep, but I digress) and I, as infantry, can go about my business of securing/defending points (you know, the crap that actually wins matches) without thinking about the three tanks spawn camping CRUs/DUs. How's that sound? Your a F*cking Idiot he wants 1.6 back with 1.7 AV damage in a nut shell maybe a couple things thrown in their but pay attention. Patrick57 Carries us all Tanker Prof. V scrub Q_Q moar
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 517	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:00:00 - [159] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Wrong. I said they need to be fixed all at once. I stopped using my HAV's about 3 weeks ago, and stopped playing 2 weeks ago (waiting on 1.8), so that's also wrong. I get it. So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank with what are supposed to be effective counters, and that its fine in its removal when, and only when, HAV's are in a much more balanced state, you decided to create a thread to beat a dead horse? Wait, no...i don't ******* get it at all.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1757	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:08:00 - [160] - Quote Aleph Rynedee wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You are absolutely a complete ***** idiot. Yet you are the one who is whining about JLAVs, all I did was point out how asinine that idea was. You even claimed that hardeners are the culprit as a way to justify the pwnage of the HAVs but called for the nerf of JLAVs not the hardeners. I stand by my claim that you (the generic tanker) want things both ways, ie you want to sodomize each and every cranberry that crosses your path AND you want them to be armed with nothing more than a soft, purple dildo. In essesence you want to be a demigod, with every other toon bowing in awe in your presence. I'll propose a compromise, the removal of JLAVs against HAVs inability to engage infantry. Sounds fair, you don't have to worry about a effin' Jeep crawling up your anus (not much of a tanker if you are worried about a Jeep, but I digress) and I, as infantry, can go about my business of securing/defending points (you know, the crap that actually wins matches) without thinking about the three tanks spawn camping CRUs/DUs. How's that sound? 1: It's not at all; broken ** does not need to stay broken. and actually, I'm calling for both. Hell, I even asked for the hardener one first! 2: No, I want to be a force on the battlefield that is very powerful, but with a bit of effort can be scared off or killed via AV weapons, EWAR, and other vehicles. 3: Hell no. HAV's are easily dodgable (dodged 3 in my scout suit, and continued to kill them). YEs, the turrets also needs slightly tweaking (the blasters needs to become more anti vehicle, and less anti infantry by nerfing the tracking and ROF, and buffing the damage), and the other two turrets are fine in that regard (not fine completely, as their both OP in tank vs. tank, not surprising as their Caldari), but making it to where it's impossible to kill infantry, especially since AV exists, would be utterly silly, especially since small turrets can't be equipped well atm, and even if they could, they're all horrible at taking out infantry. 4: Most objectives are protected by ample cover, and the ones in open spaces are ones in which it makes sense for vehicles to be able to kill you at (because you know, it's open spaces). Maybe you should have some AV or vehicle cover or carry around fluxes or AV nades when you go to these open areas. Otherwise, you have no excuse. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1758	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:09:00 - [161] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Aleph Rynedee wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You are absolutely a complete ******* idiot. Yet you are the one who is whining about JLAVs, all I did was point out how asinine that idea was. You even claimed that hardeners are the culprit as a way to justify the pwnage of the HAVs but called for the nerf of JLAVs not the hardeners. I stand by my claim that you (the generic tanker) want things both ways, ie you want to sodomize each and every cranberry that crosses your path AND you want them to be armed with nothing more than a soft, purple dildo. In essesence you want to be a demigod, with every other toon bowing in awe in your presence. I'll propose a compromise, the removal of JLAVs against HAVs inability to engage infantry. Sounds fair, you don't have to worry about a effin' Jeep crawling up your anus (not much of a tanker if you are worried about a Jeep, but I digress) and I, as infantry, can go about my business of securing/defending points (you know, the crap that actually wins matches) without thinking about the three tanks spawn camping CRUs/DUs. How's that sound? Your a Fcking Idiot he wants 1.6 back with 1.7 AV damage in a nut shell maybe a couple things thrown in their but pay attention. WOW! Somebody ****** finally gets it! Thank you, I'm not the only sane person here! 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1758	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:10:00 - [162] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Wrong. I said they need to be fixed all at once. I stopped using my HAV's about 3 weeks ago, and stopped playing 2 weeks ago (waiting on 1.8), so that's also wrong. I get it. So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank with what are supposed to be effective counters, and that its fine in its removal when, and only when, HAV's are in a much more balanced state, you decided to create a thread to beat a dead horse? Wait, no...i don't ******* get it at all. Then why are these people saying that it should stay in, even if they get balanced? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1746	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:17:00 - [163] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Aleph Rynedee wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You are absolutely a complete ******* idiot. Yet you are the one who is whining about JLAVs, all I did was point out how asinine that idea was. You even claimed that hardeners are the culprit as a way to justify the pwnage of the HAVs but called for the nerf of JLAVs not the hardeners. I stand by my claim that you (the generic tanker) want things both ways, ie you want to sodomize each and every cranberry that crosses your path AND you want them to be armed with nothing more than a soft, purple dildo. In essesence you want to be a demigod, with every other toon bowing in awe in your presence. I'll propose a compromise, the removal of JLAVs against HAVs inability to engage infantry. Sounds fair, you don't have to worry about a effin' Jeep crawling up your anus (not much of a tanker if you are worried about a Jeep, but I digress) and I, as infantry, can go about my business of securing/defending points (you know, the crap that actually wins matches) without thinking about the three tanks spawn camping CRUs/DUs. How's that sound? Your a Fcking Idiot he wants 1.6 back with 1.7 AV damage in a nut shell maybe a couple things thrown in their but pay attention. WOW! Somebody ****** finally gets it! Thank you, I'm not the only sane person here! I've called for JLAV changes too but what people don't understand is I know tanks are broken their is no denying it it's just that how can you do any of the following double/triple/quadruple the price decrease turret tracking/tank speed slow down turning, or nerf hardeners when you still have LAV's that can instapop you. Patrick57 Carries us all Tanker Prof. V scrub Q_Q moar
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 518	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:20:00 - [164] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Wrong. I said they need to be fixed all at once. I stopped using my HAV's about 3 weeks ago, and stopped playing 2 weeks ago (waiting on 1.8), so that's also wrong. I get it. So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank with what are supposed to be effective counters, and that its fine in its removal when, and only when, HAV's are in a much more balanced state, you decided to create a thread to beat a dead horse? Wait, no...i don't ***** get it at all. Then why are these people saying that it should stay in, even if they get balanced? What, the few that simply told you to HTFU with their cheesey one line responses? Yea, you can't exactly twist that around to "I want Jihads to stay even when HAV's get balanced. That's you assuming what they are thinking. The ones that actually want it to stay in even after fixes...well, why do you give a **? When someone says the holocaust didn't exist, do you argue with them until you beat the horse's corpse into manure, or simply shrug it off as idiocy? Man, i have this feeling that you wanted to try and farm likes and failed miserably at it. This thread is just pointless.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1758	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:21:00 - [165] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Aleph Rynedee wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You are absolutely a complete ******* idiot. Yet you are the one who is whining about JLAVs, all I did was point out how asinine that idea was. You even claimed that hardeners are the culprit as a way to justify the pwnage of the HAVs but called for the nerf of JLAVs not the hardeners. I stand by my claim that you (the generic tanker) want things both ways, ie you want to sodomize each and every cranberry that crosses your path AND you want them to be armed with nothing more than a soft, purple dildo. In essesence you want to be a demigod, with every other toon bowing in awe in your presence. I'll propose a compromise, the removal of JLAVs against HAVs inability to engage infantry. Sounds fair, you don't have to worry about a effin' Jeep crawling up your anus (not much of a tanker if you are worried about a Jeep, but I digress) and I, as infantry, can go about my business of securing/defending points (you know, the crap that actually wins matches) without thinking about the three tanks spawn camping CRUs/DUs. How's that sound? Your a Fcking Idiot he wants 1.6 back with 1.7 AV damage in a nut shell maybe a couple things thrown in their but pay attention. WOW! Somebody ****** finally gets it! Thank you, I'm not the only sane person here! I've called for JLAV changes too but what people don't understand is I know tanks are broken their is no denying it it's just that how can you do any of the following double/triple/quadruple the price decrease turret tracking/tank speed slow down turning, or nerf hardeners when you still have LAV's that can instapop you. My point in addressing it, which barely nobody has done. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 7	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:21:00 - [166] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank . Well in all fairness, the inability to kill the tank sparked the method, but now people have refined it into a opportunity tactic. You guys want to spin an image of a battered infantry on the brink, mounting one final suicide assault by sacrificing a piece of equipment. That is sometimes the case. But lately, I see people doing this in the midst of a large tank on tank engagement. Ill see 3 tanks vs 3 enemy tanks, and jeeps swerving here and there picking off the fleeing wounded tanks. Just so were clear, im not advocating the removal of such a tactic. I just want people to understand completely, that it has gone from a defensive tactic to an offensive one.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1758	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:23:00 - [167] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Wrong. I said they need to be fixed all at once. I stopped using my HAV's about 3 weeks ago, and stopped playing 2 weeks ago (waiting on 1.8), so that's also wrong. I get it. So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank with what are supposed to be effective counters, and that its fine in its removal when, and only when, HAV's are in a much more balanced state, you decided to create a thread to beat a dead horse? Wait, no...i don't ***** get it at all. Then why are these people saying that it should stay in, even if they get balanced? What, the few that simply told you to HTFU with their cheesey one line responses? Yea, you can't exactly twist that around to "I want Jihads to stay even when HAV's get balanced. That's you assuming what they are thinking. The ones that actually want it to stay in even after fixes...well, why do you give a **? When someone says the holocaust didn't exist, do you argue with them until you beat the horse's corpse into manure, or simply shrug it off as idiocy? Man, i have this feeling that you wanted to try and farm likes and failed miserably at it. This thread is just pointless. Not pointless, as hardly nobody adressed it. and idiocy pisses me off, and I have to come at it with logic. Also, assuming is bad. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1758	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:26:00 - [168] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Duran Lex wrote: So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank . Well in all fairness, the inability to kill the tank sparked the method, but now people have refined it into a opportunity tactic. You guys want to spin an image of a battered infantry on the brink, mounting one final suicide assault by sacrificing a piece of equipment. That is sometimes the case. But lately, I see people doing this in the midst of a large tank on tank engagement. Ill see 3 tanks vs 3 enemy tanks, and jeeps swerving here and there picking off the fleeing wounded tanks. Just so were clear, im not advocating the removal of such a tactic. I just want people to understand completely, that it has gone from a defensive tactic to an offensive one. See Lex? My point is sound. assuming is bad. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 520	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:39:00 - [169] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Duran Lex wrote: So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank . Well in all fairness, the inability to kill the tank sparked the method, but now people have refined it into a opportunity tactic. You guys want to spin an image of a battered infantry on the brink, mounting one final suicide assault by sacrificing a piece of equipment. That is sometimes the case. But lately, I see people doing this in the midst of a large tank on tank engagement. Ill see 3 tanks vs 3 enemy tanks, and jeeps swerving here and there picking off the fleeing wounded tanks. Just so were clear, im not advocating the removal of such a tactic. I just want people to understand completely, that it has gone from a defensive tactic to an offensive one. See Lex? My point is sound. assuming is bad. Your point this entire thread has been for the removal of Jihad LAV's, with no mention at all, in any way shape or form, what LAVALLOIS said. Acting as if someone else's logically induced comment was your own, is bad.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1310	Posted - 2014.02.24 05:47:00 - [170] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin What's this Hey!! say thank you!! to all the tankers that kept wanting godmode tanks and wanting av to be useless or require a massive sp investment. Now shutup and enjoy your medicine. All I ever asked for is balance. ** off. I posted a thread saying that the swarm launcher nerf was a bad idea and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff. I posted a thread about tanks outrunning swarms and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff I asked about why rail rifles needed such good hipfire and that they looked like another tar ar op and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff. I asked several times why tanks were so fast and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff. I posted about lasers being up and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff So here a "thanks"...sarcasm for all the times you never bothered to help in any of those threads: ** OFF!! Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.

Chuckles Brown 152	Posted - 2014.02.24 08:53:00 - [171] - Quote All the scrub tankers came on to this thread it seems. The ones that couldn't survive in 1.6 because they lacked actual... S.K.I.L.L. The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2243	Posted - 2014.02.24 11:20:00 - [172] - Quote Jihad LAV's stay how they are at the moment. Simply cause thats one of the few uses of remote explosives at the moment. And proxys dont count cause you get a warning sound when you get close to them. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Viktor Skirov Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2014.02.24 11:29:00 - [173] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Viktor Skirov wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Viktor Skirov wrote: Godin, I respect you, but I disagree with the removal of JLAVS, at least for now. Yes, i've done it, but you know?, i've only succeeded only 3 times of 17 i've tryed (I aim at MLT tanks only), and always or I'm at bad terrain, or I don't get enough speed, or I just simply hit them, but there's no BOOM, due to the impact not registering, and it's not just simply "Go ram ram!" it's or sacrificing a vehicle to distract the user, or sacrifice infantry. It's a cheap tactic, usually a "Crutchling" one, and as I said, I only use it when there are MLT tanks (Test subjects... Ya know...) And also, how is that you can't kill a driver with a large blaster, possibly a Ion Cannon, I don't know what fit you use, if I can kill drivers using a turret that has some hit detection issues (Screw tanks, i'll stay with my Methana with ADV railgun). Tell me what happens, because i've been exterminated by blasters several times on my LAV, WHILE USING NITRO. And all those, using a sentinel suit with 600 S and 894 A (Approximately, can't remenber correctly) It's probably hit detection, and you're just unlucky. Haven't shot anyone out the pilot's seat of a LAV since 1.6.. Weirdly, I've shot one out of the passenger's seat. Well, still not agree with you, but I'm not going to come with wah wah wah, I like that jihading, and actually the counters to tanks are a pain on the nut for someone who plays solo 24/7 (Im terribad at finding trustworthy people, plus voice server doesn't work for me), but yeah, being on a Jihhad needs to have someone thinking their route, and there are many places on the terrain that will negate your suicide attempt, and let the tanker know what's up, and personally I find pretty hard not be blown up (At least on the times i've tried jihhading) by infantry or impacting a wall due to a bounce. And well... Yeah... Let's say that my luck is good as the one of a cow on the slaughterhouse. planning? rough terrain ? If you are having these problems, you're doing it wrong. Out of the 25 times I tried this, I hit and killed the target every single time (normal testing anyways; I did 30 tests, but those 5 left over, the Re's failed to go off). Yes, planing, or its me the only one who stays on a hiding place for a moment until I see a window of opportunity and move directly to the route the tanker goes, wait for him, and then try to go at full speed. And yes, rough terrain, have you ever tried to catch a tank that is on irregular terrain?, like the areas outside the objective?. Sometimes the argument of the terrain cannot be applied, like for example on the map with the three objectives hmm... The one who kinda looks like a refinery and has thr towers where snipers and forge gunners tend to place themselves. Well, in that map there are few rough areas, but still, there are times that even if its a clean ways, the LAV tends to bounceand lose speed, and resulting on a impact not damaging enought to trigger the REs and put the tank to sleep, and LAVs are not unkillable jeeps exactly. That is, or I'm the most unfortunate Dust 514 player that exist. Screw tanks!, fix small blaster... Or give it a cookie called "Dispersion", That'll do. ¡FIRING MAH LIL' RAILGHAUN!
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 724	Posted - 2014.02.24 11:38:00 - [174] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Godin, try not sitting still in your HAV, camping Run with a competent squad to warn of LAV location And stay on un-even terrain it stops them gaining speed You do realize the only HAV's bad enough to suffer from JLAVS are the guys to focused on camping a point rather than their survival.. Jihad jeeps have a really low sucess rate, unless the HAV driver deserves it I constantly move around and go place to place to help out my squads. And yes, they do tell me if they see a JlAV coming at me. like that'll stop one from ramming into me and killing me. yes, I shot at one moving away from it, couldn't kill it (this was straight firing for several seconds with a neutron blaster), yet it still rammed me. This has happened 6 times to me. twice in one game. What was that? The highlight of that guys evening on Dust It's not that hard to avoid, hopefully you will learn from mistakes Plasma Cannon will have its chance if AR/HAV 514 is ever fixed
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2037	Posted - 2014.02.24 12:46:00 - [175] - Quote Tanks are balanced you need to find news ways to destroy us. Creates LAV bomb Thats not fair, I can't be expected to counter someone who has launched a large payload at my weakspot. You should be using tanks Uses Mlt Tanks with rails Thats not fair, rails overpowered because they blow me up, mlt tanks are solely responsible for tank spam, you should be using std tanks with blasters You told us to adapt we did, don't expect CCP to fix your overpowered **** anymore. They made RE sticky, therefore its fair game. If you don't like it, leave. HTFU Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 691	Posted - 2014.02.24 12:55:00 - [176] - Quote Sorry, there's no credibility here. The fact that jihad jeeps even exist is fuelled by the near incapacity of "traditional" AV to counter what they are supposed to counter - vehicles. This is one a multitude of threads with the same core issue, but if you've ever driven a LAV or even a tank, you'll know that their counter is touch and go, plus the fact that they are suiciding to kill you... you hit the slightest terrain deformation in your LAV and you go flipping end over end and are just target practice after that... I think what is working is that they are destroying HAV's... they do it well, and cheaply enough to make it viable. Once infantry AV is balanced again, you will see people gravitate away from JLAVs naturally.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 830	Posted - 2014.02.24 13:36:00 - [177] - Quote BILE CONTENT OF THREAD HAS REACHED CRITICAL LEVEL - INITIATING COUNTER-MEASURE IN 3...2...1... COUNTER-MEASURE INITIATED Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1764	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:41:00 - [178] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Duran Lex wrote: So even though the majority agrees that the jihad LAV is a cheap tactic that was spawned by the sheer inability to kill a tank . Well in all fairness, the inability to kill the tank sparked the method, but now people have refined it into a opportunity tactic. You guys want to spin an image of a battered infantry on the brink, mounting one final suicide assault by sacrificing a piece of equipment. That is sometimes the case. But lately, I see people doing this in the midst of a large tank on tank engagement. Ill see 3 tanks vs 3 enemy tanks, and jeeps swerving here and there picking off the fleeing wounded tanks. Just so were clear, im not advocating the removal of such a tactic. I just want people to understand completely, that it has gone from a defensive tactic to an offensive one. See Lex? My point is sound. assuming is bad. Your point this entire thread has been for the removal of Jihad LAV's, with no mention at all, in any way shape or form, what LAVALLOIS said. Acting as if someone else's logically induced comment was your own, is bad. You didn't even read the statement, did you? he proved my point that people want it to stay in regardless (and that there's a lot of them). I was using his statement to further prove that it's not just some. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1764	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:49:00 - [179] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin What's this Hey!! say thank you!! to all the tankers that kept wanting godmode tanks and wanting av to be useless or require a massive sp investment. Now shutup and enjoy your medicine. All I ever asked for is balance. ** off. I posted a thread saying that the swarm launcher nerf was a bad idea and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff. I posted a thread about tanks outrunning swarms and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff I asked about why rail rifles needed such good hipfire and that they looked like another tar ar op and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff. I asked several times why tanks were so fast and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff. I posted about lasers being up and where were you? QQ about tanks needing a further buff So here a "thanks"...sarcasm for all the times you never bothered to help in any of those threads: OFF!! Swarm nerf wan't bad, just a little too much range was taken, and they've always been slow (damage is fine). Never seen a HAV outrun swarms, and if they did, there had to be some kind of glitch (or they crashed into something before reaching the HAV), so non issue. I was actually in many of those threads saying that they needed worse hipfire, and pointed out that they were better than the BPR's in pretty much every way hands down, even at STD. Been saying LR's needed a buff, and stopped asking for it when I was told on IRC by LB that they're getting buffed. Said hereand as well as another thread (can't find it) of my own, as well as several other's threads that they need a slight speed and acceleration nerf. Also, instead of being a * about it, you could've linked the threads. I think I won, again, against a QQIng idiot who doesn't know jack ** of what he's talking about. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1764	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:50:00 - [180] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Jihad LAV's stay how they are at the moment. Simply cause thats one of the few uses of remote explosives at the moment. And proxys dont count cause you get a warning sound when you get close to them. That warning sound is quite silly imo. Needs removing. Watch where you step, or die. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-



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