DUST Search - JLAV's needs to go

Crimson ShieId wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Crimson ShieId wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

ER-Bullitt wrote:

Silence!! you ruining the point I was trying to make with your logic.

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I logged 1300 hours playing battlefield 3

Rest assured, jihad jeeping was not a tactic. It was solely used for trolling and lols.

The reason I can say this with 100% certainty?

Infantry and Vehicles were properly balanced in that game. It took a lot of time and effort on the devs part, rock/paper/scissor actually existed and worked in BF3 (well except maybe for a solid jet pilot, but we don't have to worry about those yet lol)

So you're saying that a game in which things do matter should be balanced like ones that don't? Logic is absent.

But... things don't matter. Sad

At least not yet. There's no real interaction between Dust and Eve yet, winning or losing a battle doesn't make a big difference, there's not even an ISK payout difference for winning. Heck, you at least got a little bit extra in Battlefield for winning... well, I suppose PC and FW matter, but not to the point that we'd like them to.

ISK matters, and it always will (even if tQ shouts down, as it's Icelands name for its currency too lol). and FW and PC will matter SOONtm. There will be many other things that matters, but most of all, ISK matters. So yes, things in Dust do in fact matter. try again.

But it doesn't. Straight

Unless you're determined to always run proto suits. If we weren't able to use cheaper fits, it might. If we weren't able to use blueprints, it might. It can't matter as is, because the player market doesn't exist. There's no rise and fall in stocks. You play a game, you get Isk. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you get it. You can do nothing at all aside from equipment spam the entire game and get Isk. You can redline snipe and get Isk. Heck, Isk is more dependent on what the other team is using than what YOU do. If things eventually get fixed with PC and we get a player market, perhaps Isk will matter, but it doesn't right now. A player can do well with a militia, basic, or advanced suit, just the same as they can with proto gear, especially if they're in a competent squad. The same thing can be said of tanks. I can buy three or four militia tanks right now and do very well for that meager investment and even manage to make it all back in one game.

And no, I don't have 200 million Isk, so I'm not saying all this just because I've got plenty to spend.

P.S. Biomassing clones. I rest my case.


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Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 105	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:30:00 - [1] - Quote You really wouldn't enjoy Battlefield much... Jihad jeeps have been a thing in that for ages and a very effective method with dealing with tankers. Just imagine if CCP made it so ejecting in a dropsuit didn't hurtle you half a mile forward and actually let you go down with some control. Imagine having C4 dropped from 200m in the sky, imagine suddenly having your tank go boom after seeing what looked like bird droppings landing on your tank. The Jihad Lav's might be relatively easy to pull off, but tanking is currently just as easy. If you don't want to take a Lav to the face, just use a Gunlogi and put on two hardeners. There are usually only two types of explosives on them, totaling 10,500 damage. Having one hardener on and a shield extender will allow you to survive that blast and drive away. Two hardeners and you just shrug it off like a redberry shooting your tank with his pistol. Keep the Lavs, it adds more dimensions to the game. I'm an immortal mercenary, I should have more options to take out enemy threats than just shooting them with whatever gun makes boom boom. Just wait till the Jihad Dropships start becoming a thing. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 106	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:26:00 - [2] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: I will make this easy for you. Before 1.7 dropped.. How many JLAV's did you see? How many JLAV QQ posts did you read on these forums? The answer is zero. The solution to your problem lies in this question "what changed in 1.7?" Vehicle > AV ... imbalance. Now think about your complaint. I doubt you are looking for sympathy from the rest of the posters here who are basically laughing at you. But you are literally crying about players who are so frustrated, so fed up, and so hopelessly outmatched by these ******* tanks that they willingly commit suicide to take you off the field for a minute. Think about that for a second, let it marinate. Now think about what you are campaigning for... use your energy to push for the right path. The rebalancing of AV versus Vehicle... and what will follow will be players no longer needing to resort to JLAV's to deal with OP tanks. You're welcome. I like it, but there's only one problem... RE's weren't sticky before, so it wasn't physically possible to use a Jihad Lav. Probably would have seen quite a few if they were sticky, seeing as how such is an effective tactic in games like Battlefield. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 107	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:29:00 - [3] - Quote Hey! I have at least 2/3 logic! Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 107	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Silence!! you ruining the point I was trying to make with your logic. ________ I logged 1300 hours playing battlefield 3 Rest assured, jihad jeeping was not a tactic. It was solely used for trolling and lols. The reason I can say this with 100% certainty? Infantry and Vehicles were properly balanced in that game. It took a lot of time and effort on the devs part, rock/paper/scissor actually existed and worked in BF3 (well except maybe for a solid jet pilot, but we don't have to worry about those yet lol) ... D-did... did you unlock the bipod for your knife? And hey, I'll have you know I had a lot of fun blowing up tankers with that and... okay, so maybe it was more so for trolling, but it was still fun... though I suppose parachuting out of a jet and landing on top of a tank while dropping C4 was more fun... Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Silence!! you ruining the point I was trying to make with your logic. ________ I logged 1300 hours playing battlefield 3 Rest assured, jihad jeeping was not a tactic. It was solely used for trolling and lols. The reason I can say this with 100% certainty? Infantry and Vehicles were properly balanced in that game. It took a lot of time and effort on the devs part, rock/paper/scissor actually existed and worked in BF3 (well except maybe for a solid jet pilot, but we don't have to worry about those yet lol) So you're saying that a game in which things do matter should be balanced like ones that don't? Logic is absent. But... things don't matter. At least not yet. There's no real interaction between Dust and Eve yet, winning or losing a battle doesn't make a big difference, there's not even an ISK payout difference for winning. Heck, you at least got a little bit extra in Battlefield for winning... well, I suppose PC and FW matter, but not to the point that we'd like them to. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:03:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Silence!! you ruining the point I was trying to make with your logic. ________ I logged 1300 hours playing battlefield 3 Rest assured, jihad jeeping was not a tactic. It was solely used for trolling and lols. The reason I can say this with 100% certainty? Infantry and Vehicles were properly balanced in that game. It took a lot of time and effort on the devs part, rock/paper/scissor actually existed and worked in BF3 (well except maybe for a solid jet pilot, but we don't have to worry about those yet lol) So you're saying that a game in which things do matter should be balanced like ones that don't? Logic is absent. But... things don't matter. At least not yet. There's no real interaction between Dust and Eve yet, winning or losing a battle doesn't make a big difference, there's not even an ISK payout difference for winning. Heck, you at least got a little bit extra in Battlefield for winning... well, I suppose PC and FW matter, but not to the point that we'd like them to. ISK matters, and it always will (even if tQ shouts down, as it's Icelands name for its currency too lol). and FW and PC will matter SOONtm. There will be many other things that matters, but most of all, ISK matters. So yes, things in Dust do in fact matter. try again. But it doesn't. Unless you're determined to always run proto suits. If we weren't able to use cheaper fits, it might. If we weren't able to use blueprints, it might. It can't matter as is, because the player market doesn't exist. There's no rise and fall in stocks. You play a game, you get Isk. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you get it. You can do nothing at all aside from equipment spam the entire game and get Isk. You can redline snipe and get Isk. Heck, Isk is more dependent on what the other team is using than what YOU do. If things eventually get fixed with PC and we get a player market, perhaps Isk will matter, but it doesn't right now. A player can do well with a militia, basic, or advanced suit, just the same as they can with proto gear, especially if they're in a competent squad. The same thing can be said of tanks. I can buy three or four militia tanks right now and do very well for that meager investment and even manage to make it all back in one game. And no, I don't have 200 million Isk, so I'm not saying all this just because I've got plenty to spend. P.S. Biomassing clones. I rest my case. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:36:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You know what? There's no hope for you damn idiots. Yeah... I don't think you're going to get constructive responses by calling people idiots. Just more rage towards tankers and pilots in general. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:37:00 - [8] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You know what? There's no hope for you damn idiots. Yeah... I don't think you're going to get constructive responses by calling people idiots. Just more rage towards tankers and pilots in general. Though you do have a few. Care to reply, or is the thread terminated due to excessive insults? Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:54:00 - [9] - Quote It just keeps going... in hindsight, I recently came across a tanker who shot my LAV (While I was chasing another LAV around, trying to get my gunner to blow him up and generally just screwing around not being useful because fun) I respawned after getting blown up and immediately called in another LAV. He blew that up too before I could get everything on it and prepare it for the suicide run. I called in another one, tried again, failed due to hardeners on his shield tank. Repeated the process, but he got smart. Instead of risking getting his tank blown up, he simply got out, recalled it, and went on foot. We ran into each other a few more times, I knifed him once, he shot me a few times, I did the same, but I never did get to blow up his tank (though I probably cost him quite a bit of Isk from those proto suits he was running) Moral of the story. If someone is determined to kill your tank with a suicide car, simply recall it and leave them to drive around. Not every single player is willing to throw away Isk for a chance to kill what could just be a cheap militia tank. Also, you never did answer my last post about the Isk not mattering. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:06:00 - [10] - Quote Points back to his post a few pages back explaining why Isk doesn't matter I can post the page number if needed. And I called it in my redline near the ground spawn. Didn't expect he'd drive into the redline just to shoot a single LAV. Edit: So... you play the game the way other people want, and not the way you want? Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!

Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:10:00 - [11] - Quote Eh, I'll just repost, seeing as it was ignored last time. Crimson ShieId wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Silence!! you ruining the point I was trying to make with your logic. ________ I logged 1300 hours playing battlefield 3 Rest assured, jihad jeeping was not a tactic. It was solely used for trolling and lols. The reason I can say this with 100% certainty? Infantry and Vehicles were properly balanced in that game. It took a lot of time and effort on the devs part, rock/paper/scissor actually existed and worked in BF3 (well except maybe for a solid jet pilot, but we don't have to worry about those yet lol) So you're saying that a game in which things do matter should be balanced like ones that don't? Logic is absent. But... things don't matter. At least not yet. There's no real interaction between Dust and Eve yet, winning or losing a battle doesn't make a big difference, there's not even an ISK payout difference for winning. Heck, you at least got a little bit extra in Battlefield for winning... well, I suppose PC and FW matter, but not to the point that we'd like them to. ISK matters, and it always will (even if tQ shouts down, as it's Icelands name for its currency too lol). and FW and PC will matter SOONtm. There will be many other things that matters, but most of all, ISK matters. So yes, things in Dust do in fact matter. try again. But it doesn't. Unless you're determined to always run proto suits. If we weren't able to use cheaper fits, it might. If we weren't able to use blueprints, it might. It can't matter as is, because the player market doesn't exist. There's no rise and fall in stocks. You play a game, you get Isk. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you get it. You can do nothing at all aside from equipment spam the entire game and get Isk. You can redline snipe and get Isk. Heck, Isk is more dependent on what the other team is using than what YOU do. If things eventually get fixed with PC and we get a player market, perhaps Isk will matter, but it doesn't right now. A player can do well with a militia, basic, or advanced suit, just the same as they can with proto gear, especially if they're in a competent squad. The same thing can be said of tanks. I can buy three or four militia tanks right now and do very well for that meager investment and even manage to make it all back in one game. And no, I don't have 200 million Isk, so I'm not saying all this just because I've got plenty to spend. P.S. Biomassing clones. I rest my case. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:42:00 - [12] - Quote There are plenty of BPO LAV's. Technically impossible to run a full proto madruger. Aren't those classified as standard vehicles? Advanced perhaps. I don't need to buy things if I'm running starter fits, and I get enough Isk from every game I play to fund my scout suits. It's not like I have to do something special to get Isk. Anything I do gets me Isk, even if it's camping in the redline sniping the whole game. True, I'll get more by being on the field supporting my team, but if I lose a bunch of suits in the process, what profit is there? It's just a revolving cycle. Why do you get into battles? To earn Isk and SP. Why do you want to earn Isk and SP? So I can buy more gear to earn more Isk and SP. If there were more things to spend your Isk on that mattered and less exploits, it would be different, but there's not. It's just play a game, get Isk, use that Isk to restock whatever fittings were lost in that game, then continue. Rinse and repeat. I wouldn't help fund a tanker, even to prove a point. I see enough tanks on the battlefield as is and I spend way too much time trying to get rid of them, the last thing I want is to encourage more tank spam. Just because you yourself don't take advantage of exploits doesn't mean other people don't. Why do you think CCP is taking so long to implement a player market? They don't have a clue how to work around things like BPO's and PC exploits in order to make an actual market work. Until exploits (And BPO's) are gone from the game, a fair player market couldn't exist. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:08:00 - [13] - Quote Something about BPO's making people more Isk than PC. There's been talk of removing them entirely, but it seems to come down to CCP not knowing what to do about the people who spent actual money on these things. They can't just take away things that people paid for without getting a huge backlash. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!