DUST Search - JLAV's needs to go

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Dunk Mujunk wrote:

Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact.

Everytime I've seen it happen, it's always been a kill. if the driver doesn't make it to the HAV, they're doing it wrong.

If the HAV driver can't kill the Jihad jeep or make them miss, they're doing it wrong.

Like I said, simply putting it on the side of the LAV or inside of it makes it near impossible or impossible to kill said JLAV.

You have a turret, don't you?
options:
1) shoot JLAV with railgun turret 2-3 times and it dies
2) shoot JLAV with Blaster turret from 50 meters out, and kill it before it reaches you
3) annihilate the JLAV with missiles
4) shoot any one the RE's once with any turret gun and destroy the LAV
5) use teamwork and have other people as gunners in the tank with you with small turrets on an easy swivel to see and alert you, as well as decimate any LAV that they come across
6) use an Active scanner and speed boost to dodge the JLAV
7) if the JLAV hits you in the back, it flips over, does no damage to you, and kills itself, so make sure if it does hit you, it hits you in the back

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Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:25:00 - [1] - Quote JLAV's have brung the same problem as the old AV, but far worse: to be able to easily counter HAV's on a far cheaper price point (somewhere between free and 50k ISK0. and all you have to do is ram the HAV's. People just say, "shoot at it, and it'll blow up". well, put the RE's on the side of the LAV, then slide into it, or better yet, put them inside of it, and then it becomes near impossible/impossible to kill. Also, from a lore stand point, the things are made to not be affected by outside force, so it makes even less sense. Simply put, the best way to fix it is to not allow in attaching to friendly hulls. You can still attach RE's to enemy hulls to kill them that way, but not put them on your own and smash into others and cause unnecessary rage. Lastly, saying, "But it's fun, so it should stay." Is not a argument. That's like saying "But the RR is fun, so it should stay as is.". Might be fun for you to be OP, but to the receiving end, it's not fun. At all. Peace, Godin 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 795	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:27:00 - [2] - Quote if someone is willing to kill themselves out of spite in order to have a chance at destroying an enemy tank, it just goes to show how overpowered tanks are Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1408	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:28:00 - [3] - Quote Wah my tank was killed by superior tactics Nerf playing smart. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9910	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:28:00 - [4] - Quote Ahahahahahahaaaa! Jihad jeeps are fueled by your tears. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Badgerr Rager Black Phoenix Mercenaries 689	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:29:00 - [5] - Quote Don't bring out what you don't want to lose. New Eden is such a cold place BlackPhoenix Elder Council Member
mollerz Minja Scouts 2341	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:30:00 - [6] - Quote hahaha... fukin tankers. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 490	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:31:00 - [7] - Quote Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3773	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:33:00 - [8] - Quote then remove op tanks and make them cost more than an adv fitting. Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:38:00 - [9] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Wah my tank was killed by superior tactics Nerf playing smart. Seriously get some damn combat awareness, every turret melts lavs in seconds and they're not exactly stealthy. lol, you must've never tried it. MLT hardener and nitro makes it impossible to kill them in a short enough time frame. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:39:00 - [10] - Quote Badgerr Rager wrote: Don't bring out what you don't want to lose. New Eden is such a cold place Oh be quiet. When everything's fair, then you can say that. until then, shut your trap. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3206	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:40:00 - [11] - Quote Message from Godin: waaaah No.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: if someone is willing to kill themselves out of spite in order to have a chance at destroying an enemy tank, it just goes to show how overpowered tanks are, and that tank invincibility to any other tactic needs to go That's because hardeners got buffed when they shouldn't have. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1415	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:41:00 - [13] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: Don't bring out what you don't want to lose. New Eden is such a cold place Oh be quiet. When everything's fair, then you can say that. until then, shut your trap. Fair from a tanker? The irony "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:42:00 - [14] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact. Everytime I've seen it happen, it's always been a kill. if the driver doesn't make it to the HAV, they're doing it wrong. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 805	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:44:00 - [15] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact. Everytime I've seen it happen, it's always been a kill. if the driver doesn't make it to the HAV, they're doing it wrong. If the HAV driver can't kill the Jihad jeep or make them miss, they're doing it wrong. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:44:00 - [16] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: Don't bring out what you don't want to lose. New Eden is such a cold place Oh be quiet. When everything's fair, then you can say that. until then, shut your trap. Fair from a tanker? The irony yes. The bipolarness of the community. You say you want balance and fairness, but instead, you get yelled at and insulted. When everybody else does, it's okay. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 199	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:45:00 - [17] - Quote Godin, your high again@! Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7418	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:45:00 - [18] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: Don't bring out what you don't want to lose. New Eden is such a cold place Oh be quiet. When everything's fair, then you can say that. until then, shut your trap. Fair from a tanker? The irony Not all tankers are you average FoTM chasing idiots. Some, though not as many as I would like are championing a rebalancing of HAV to bring them in line with current AV values. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:46:00 - [19] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact. Everytime I've seen it happen, it's always been a kill. if the driver doesn't make it to the HAV, they're doing it wrong. If the HAV driver can't kill the Jihad jeep or make them miss, they're doing it wrong. Like I said, simply putting it on the side of the LAV or inside of it makes it near impossible or impossible to kill said JLAV. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:46:00 - [20] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Godin, your high again@! I don't smoke, or inject. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 659	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:47:00 - [21] - Quote Nobody was doing it when tanks were kill-able by other means. I can easily go through 200K in AV fittings to kill one 80K blaster tank, yet you cry foul. I don't even get any isk reward back because the tank cost next to nothing. JLAV is my last resort or my first if some corp is pub stomping in tanks. Though sometimes a MLT sica is the answer, though you'll pry cry about that too. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:48:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: Don't bring out what you don't want to lose. New Eden is such a cold place Oh be quiet. When everything's fair, then you can say that. until then, shut your trap. Fair from a tanker? The irony Not all tankers are you average FoTM chasing idiots. Some, though not as many as I would like are championing a rebalancing of HAV to bring them in line with current AV values. I don't really care what the butthurt people say. I just want balance. Can I have that please? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 331	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:49:00 - [23] - Quote Me: Mmmmm, the taste...it's delicious...I do say, Geoffrey, come here a second...tell me, what is this delicious drink you have served me? The salty after taste is quite exquisite!! Geoffrey: Tis the tears of scrubby tank pilots sir. Me: Mmmm I must procure us some more. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 811	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:50:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact. Everytime I've seen it happen, it's always been a kill. if the driver doesn't make it to the HAV, they're doing it wrong. If the HAV driver can't kill the Jihad jeep or make them miss, they're doing it wrong. Like I said, simply putting it on the side of the LAV or inside of it makes it near impossible or impossible to kill said JLAV. You have a turret, don't you? options: 1) shoot JLAV with railgun turret 2-3 times and it dies 2) shoot JLAV with Blaster turret from 50 meters out, and kill it before it reaches you 3) annihilate the JLAV with missiles 4) shoot any one the RE's once with any turret gun and destroy the LAV 5) use teamwork and have other people as gunners in the tank with you with small turrets on an easy swivel to see and alert you, as well as decimate any LAV that they come across 6) use an Active scanner and speed boost to dodge the JLAV 7) if the JLAV hits you in the back, it flips over, does no damage to you, and kills itself, so make sure if it does hit you, it hits you in the back Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 492	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:50:00 - [25] - Quote I see them fail even with a direct hit all the time. I'm sure the skill levels of the attacker play a role in this, but so do those of the defender. There are two sides to every coin, and some would say if Jeeps are getting to your tank then YOU are doing it wrong. The tankers in my Corp view Jihads as a comedy routine more so than a threat. I'm not a tanker, I have no clue what they are doing, but yea, this issue is way overblown. The horse is dead, for the love of god put down the stick. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:51:00 - [26] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Nobody was doing it when tanks were kill-able by other means. I can easily go through 200K in AV fittings to kill one 80K blaster tank, yet you cry foul. I don't even get any isk reward back because the tank cost next to nothing. JLAV is my last resort or my first if some corp is pub stomping in tanks. Though sometimes a MLT sica is the answer, though you'll pry cry about that too. This is painfull.............. Yes, I ***** understand that. I've been saying for the most part that that is broken as well, and has been saying to balance on the vehicle side as well.yet, it is ignored. But when I say take out broken **, everybody goes and insults me. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11485	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:53:00 - [27] - Quote I have trouble feeling bad for tankers loosing 500k to another player when dropships have been loosing 500k to RDVs, Null Cannons, MCC missiles, MCCs, invisible artifacts, wonky physics, and suicide derpships for forever. Long live the JIHAD!!!!!!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 811	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:54:00 - [28] - Quote If AV is buffed to usefulness, then i may agree with you Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:56:00 - [29] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Tanks do more than their fair share of dominating in this game, and Jihad Jeeping isn't nearly as prevelant as people want to make it. Hell, half the time the tank isn't even killed, and thats if the Jeep even makes it to impact. Everytime I've seen it happen, it's always been a kill. if the driver doesn't make it to the HAV, they're doing it wrong. If the HAV driver can't kill the Jihad jeep or make them miss, they're doing it wrong. Like I said, simply putting it on the side of the LAV or inside of it makes it near impossible or impossible to kill said JLAV. You have a turret, don't you? options: 1) shoot JLAV with railgun turret 2-3 times and it dies 2) shoot JLAV with Blaster turret from 50 meters out, and kill it before it reaches you 3) annihilate the JLAV with missiles 4) shoot any one the RE's once with any turret gun and destroy the LAV 5) use teamwork and have other people as gunners in the tank with you with small turrets on an easy swivel to see and alert you, as well as decimate any LAV that they come across 6) use an Active scanner and speed boost to dodge the JLAV 7) if the JLAV hits you in the back, it flips over, does no damage to you, and kills itself, so make sure if it does hit you, it hits you in the back 1: railguns are easily dodgable 2: blasters won't have enough time to kill them (in ~2 seconds) 3: read #1 4: Go back to my last post and read it again, as you clearly didn't. 5: Can't fit them due to poor fitting abilities of the new HAV's, and even then, can't reliably find someone to sit in my gunner seat. 6: Read #5 7: doesn't matter from my tests where they hit the HAV, it'll still cause a explosion. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1265	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:56:00 - [30] - Quote so, you'd like to remove the only effective av from the game? bad idea. /end thread



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