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Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 251	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:44:00 - [31] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank. Erm, what "evidence" do you complainers present to the contrary if not anecdotal? hmmm....how about every single video on your tube involving the numerous 6 tank steam rolls? how about the hundreds of players that feel like quitting after being rolled game after game after game because they don't have 20+ million sp characters with anti tank fits. math, has been presented, videos presented, numerous steam rolls, ambush is practically unplayable because of them, what more do you want -.-. I can find the threads, and the videos, but seriously why do I need to, it's been discussed, av is likely getting buffed, i'm just shocked someone wants to still use the "I can pop a tank with my 35 million sp character, so tanks must be balanced" defence. Still just anecdotal evidence. Here's some more anecdotal evidence: I got popped by a forge gunner yesterday. If you feel like calling me a "bad tanker" because of it, then i suggest you put your money where your mouth is. What I thought was funny here is how you whiners seem to consider your "evidence" to be "scientific" (or something) +ñven you are all just as biased and base your views on nothing but anecdotes like everyone else. What's obvious to the rest of us is just that you suck at this game. And I don't really care if you feel like quitting. :)
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 301	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:44:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way. Oh right totally the same.... well except with double the range forge guns ever had, double the DPS, with a great zoom, while being invulnerable to infantry, faster than infantry, and stronger than infantry.... but yeah totally the same. Oh and that infantry also cired for forge gun nerfs as well, like non-stop. Tower forge gunners were a blight on infantry as well.
Salt Dog 76 Red Star. EoN. 71	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:46:00 - [33] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Name the times you are available to be on, I will see if I can make it. I will also try to set up some type of video capture equipment so that afterwards, we can see the complete and utter liar you are. So we will queu for amarr/caldari FW yes? ALSO: Still doesn't change 1 thing in the orignal post, tanks are exactly what tankers used to complain about. Tanks are invulnerable, non-sp-intensive, cheap, omgwtfpwn-mobiles. IF ANY tanker had even the least shred of dignity, they would be crying just as loudly as they did before about the imbalance. I'll be on most of the day. I have PC's around 8 p.m. EST though, so I will have to get on this character to do them. I've made numerous posts about the solutions I think would help remedy the current imbalance. I no longer have to tolerate crybaby posts that offer nothing constructive. You want to lump all tankers in the same group, when I have a record of posts saying the old tanks were not that bad, that what was needed before any changes were made was to fix the rendering problems. But guys like you won't ever acknowledge that there were tankers advising caution before making wholesale changes because it doesn't fit in with your BS narrative. Thanks for calling me a liar too. Want to put some ISK up since you seem so confident? How about 1 mill per tank I solo? I am going to laugh my ass off when I am killing tanks calling you a scrub. I got news for you Crimson get Av Fg/SL proto (nades 2) and proficiency 5 or GTFO. If you are trying to take out our maddy or gunny with militia crap or std or adv and then cry on forums that you cant solo a tank. WA WA WA I solo tanks all the time with my heavy. You stand in the middle of an open field and try to destroy a maddy with ion cannon you will fail unless you have help. Get Good. Ps i get soloed now and then on my tanker yourdeadagain76 if i make a mistake or the enemy has proto with stacked dam mods or just from being to aggressive. A couple of guys with proto av can pop a HAV no problem if the use tactics and dont stand in one spot in middle of road and fire 1 volly of SL and expect it to kill us.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 251	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:46:00 - [34] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way. Oh right totally the same.... well except with double the range forge guns ever had, double the DPS, with a great zoom, while being invulnerable to infantry, faster than infantry, and stronger than infantry.... but yeah totally the same. Yeah, because forge gunners and HAV's totally have the same elevation in aiming... Oh wait a minute!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 301	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:48:00 - [35] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: ALSO: Still doesn't change 1 thing in the orignal post, tanks are exactly what tankers used to complain about. Tanks are invulnerable, non-sp-intensive, cheap, omgwtfpwn-mobiles. IF ANY tanker had even the least shred of dignity, they would be crying just as loudly as they did before about the imbalance. Tanks certainly seem that way when you're shooting them with ARs, and throwing flux grenades at Madrugars. So you are a crazy person right? You just spout crazy stuff that has nothing to do with what was being said at the time and has no bearing on anything? Maybe you are just a small child? Ok kid, listen up. Tankers used to cry like babies that they had it so bad, and that all they wanted was balance. Now the roles are completely reversed, and tanks are insanely OP, more so than AV ever was. These cry babies? Oh they have no problem with it. Oh wait.. you are one of them.
Chuckles Brown 110	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:49:00 - [36] - Quote I guess I'm just that lucky because I have NEVER been solo'd by AV in 1.7. Not once. So who's bad and who's good? The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:52:00 - [37] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way. Oh right totally the same.... well except with double the range forge guns ever had, double the DPS, with a great zoom, while being invulnerable to infantry, faster than infantry, and stronger than infantry.... but yeah totally the same. Yeah, because forge gunners and HAV's totally have the same elevation in aiming... Oh wait a minute! Joke post? Joke post. You can't honestly think that is even remotely comparible right? So HAVs have a 50 degree elevation restriction, and that totally evens out the invulnerability to 90% of the game, oh and the incredible speed, oh and the cheapness, and being non-sp intensive, and double the range, and double the DPS, and easily travesing terrain that would make a heavy cry, and .... Well I think I made my point.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1768	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:56:00 - [38] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Oh only about 90% of the forums agreed that tanks and especially dropships were underpowered. It was everyone on the forums who thought that they needed a boost. This is no secret, look at the damn forums. This was a large cross section from all types of gameplay. Bullshit. You weren't paying attention, apparently. We'd point out how fucking BS it was that we'd get slaughtered inside ten seconds from outside rendering by assholes camping towers and the community would tell us 'HTFU'. We'd complain about getting 3shotted by Lai Dai grenades. We'd be told to HTFU. Bull-fucking-shit. Quote: Now? People still don't have a problem with LAVs or Dropships Right, whatever. Saw some QQ about road killing last week. ADSes? People have been bitching about those too. Learn to read. Quote: ONLY TANKS. Now LAV drivers, Dropships pilots, infantry, and AV all have a problem with tanks. Who doesn't have a problem with tanks? The tanker community. Right whatever. No such thing as a LAV driver - they're tankers on a break. DS pilots have a problem with the redline. Infantry want AV in their pockets - always have, even when it was blatantly OP - I've been seeing calls for SL to be sidearms for months. AV - well you guys are just whiners. Can't hack it when everything's going your way, and now you have to invest SP and WORK. But no, you can't do that. You're amazing at this game - if you can't solo a HAV clearly it's OP. You shouldn't have to work or think - who called this the 'thinking man's shooter', anyway? Quote: Sure you can say that there are only two tankers who have a problem with it, but that would be less the genuine wouldn't it? Nope. I ran my tank once today out of about twenty matches. I ran my forge in about twelve of those. Please make valid assertions next time. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. EoN. 179	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:58:00 - [39] - Quote I only see one person crying. YOU. I got 2 questions for you 1: Whats your Anti Tank loadout for tanking out a Maddy.? 2: Whats your Anti Tank loadout for tanking out a Gunny.? 1:A: I bet the answer is the antiarmor fit that you got with your caracter. OMG 2:A: Milita hvy with militia FG. Hope you at least threw on a militia damage mod. FYI: CCP is trying to rebalance Av vs Hav. thats why everything was nerfed and started over.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1913	Posted - 2014.02.21 18:59:00 - [40] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank. Erm, what "evidence" do you complainers present to the contrary if not anecdotal? hmmm....how about every single video on your tube involving the numerous 6 tank steam rolls? how about the hundreds of players that feel like quitting after being rolled game after game after game because they don't have 20+ million sp characters with anti tank fits. math, has been presented, videos presented, numerous steam rolls, ambush is practically unplayable because of them, what more do you want -.-. I can find the threads, and the videos, but seriously why do I need to, it's been discussed, av is likely getting buffed, i'm just shocked someone wants to still use the "I can pop a tank with my 35 million sp character, so tanks must be balanced" defence. Still just anecdotal evidence. Here's some more anecdotal evidence: I got popped by a forge gunner yesterday. If you feel like calling me a "bad tanker" because of it, then i suggest you put your money where your mouth is. What I thought was funny here is how you whiners seem to consider your "evidence" to be "scientific" (or something) when you are all just as biased and base your views on nothing but anecdotes like everyone else. What's obvious to the rest of us is just that you suck at this game. And I don't really care if you feel like quitting. :) yep not worth my time talking with someone of your type

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1768	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:00:00 - [41] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way. Oh right totally the same.... well except with double the range forge guns ever had, double the DPS, with a great zoom, while being invulnerable to infantry, faster than infantry, and stronger than infantry.... but yeah totally the same. Yeah, because forge gunners and HAV's totally have the same elevation in aiming... Oh wait a minute! Joke post? Joke post. You can't honestly think that is even remotely comparible right? So HAVs have a 50 degree elevation restriction, and that totally evens out the invulnerability to 90% of the game, oh and the incredible speed, oh and the cheapness, and being non-sp intensive, and double the range, and double the DPS, and easily travesing terrain that would make a heavy cry, and .... Well I think I made my point. Do you know how to get useful elevation from the top of a tower? Lean over its edge. Know what happens when you do that? You wouldn't, because unlike tankers, you've never really tried the other side, have you? You risk falling off. You make yourself a huge target. Only an idiot rails from the top of a tower. I bet I'll see you up there sometime soon. P.S. How much terrain is there on top of a tower again? At least be consistent in your arguments. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 119	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:01:00 - [42] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way. I agreed with you up until this point, everyone complained about the forge gunners! Now they're nerfed. Though the points about tanks and AV in general I support, I blew up 12 tanks yesterday. It wasn't easy but still doable but requires tactics and patience 2 things that are apparently beyond the grasp of normal AV players.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1913	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:01:00 - [43] - Quote YourDeadAgain76 wrote: I only see one person crying. YOU. I got 2 questions for you 1: Whats your Anti Tank loadout for tanking out a Maddy.? 2: Whats your Anti Tank loadout for tanking out a Gunny.? 1:A: I bet the answer is the antiarmor fit that you got with your caracter. OMG 2:A: Milita hvy with militia FG. Hope you at least threw on a militia damage mod. FYI: CCP is trying to rebalance Av vs Hav. thats why everything was nerfed and started over. for what it's worth my anti- tank fits, is every anti tank fit. I have prof 3 forge guns, prof 4 swarm launchers, tanks( yes i use them to ), jihad lav,s, proximity mines, assault drop ships, etc. I can take care of tanks fairly easily one way or another. not every player in this game has 37 million sp. tanks are still a joke, and nobody is laughing anymore, but anybody who thinks they are fine at this point is just ignorant really. I can't think of any other reason they'd think other wise, or they just really love their crutch.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 687	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:02:00 - [44] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank. Erm, what "evidence" do you complainers present to the contrary if not anecdotal? hmmm....how about every single video on your tube involving the numerous 6 tank steam rolls? how about the hundreds of players that feel like quitting after being rolled game after game after game because they don't have 20+ million sp characters with anti tank fits. math, has been presented, videos presented, numerous steam rolls, ambush is practically unplayable because of them, what more do you want -.-. I can find the threads, and the videos, but seriously why do I need to, it's been discussed, av is likely getting buffed, i'm just shocked someone wants to still use the "I can pop a tank with my 35 million sp character, so tanks must be balanced" defence. thats funny. the few vids about tanks being op normally involved a couple proto bears firing swarms from a really, really, REALLY bad position. only to ***** and say the tank is op. u call that evidence? i call that being stupid. no1 seems to be thinking tactically in the game at all or on these forums. the only ppl to be making the situation seem ungodly horrible are the ones acting like dicks all over the place.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1913	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:05:00 - [45] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: calisk galern wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank. Erm, what "evidence" do you complainers present to the contrary if not anecdotal? hmmm....how about every single video on your tube involving the numerous 6 tank steam rolls? how about the hundreds of players that feel like quitting after being rolled game after game after game because they don't have 20+ million sp characters with anti tank fits. math, has been presented, videos presented, numerous steam rolls, ambush is practically unplayable because of them, what more do you want -.-. I can find the threads, and the videos, but seriously why do I need to, it's been discussed, av is likely getting buffed, i'm just shocked someone wants to still use the "I can pop a tank with my 35 million sp character, so tanks must be balanced" defence. thats funny. the few vids about tanks being op normally involved a couple proto bears firing swarms from a really, really, REALLY bad position. only to ***** and say the tank is op. u call that evidence? i call that being stupid. no1 seems to be thinking tactically in the game at all or on these forums. the only ppl to be making the situation seem ungodly horrible are the ones acting like dicks all over the place. if those are the videos you watched i suggest finding better videos. I prefer the ones from the tankers perspectives.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1863	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:05:00 - [46] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank. Erm, what "evidence" do you complainers present to the contrary if not anecdotal? hmmm....how about every single video on your tube involving the numerous 6 tank steam rolls? how about the hundreds of players that feel like quitting after being rolled game after game after game because they don't have 20+ million sp characters with anti tank fits. math, has been presented, videos presented, numerous steam rolls, ambush is practically unplayable because of them, what more do you want -.-. I can find the threads, and the videos, but seriously why do I need to, it's been discussed, av is likely getting buffed, i'm just shocked someone wants to still use the "I can pop a tank with my 35 million sp character, so tanks must be balanced" defence. Again, complaining about ambush. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1863	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:06:00 - [47] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Before: AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch) Now: Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV Before: Blah Blah ISK Now: 200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits Before: 1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP Now: 1 tank killing squads not OP Before: Tanks need teamwork to survive!! Now: Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork. Then: 400M range locks down entire field Now: lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters.... Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. When infantry complained about contact grenades, they were nerfed into the ground. When tankers complained about AV grenades, infantry said "LOL HTFU." Do not speak of hypocrisy. Uh... I do not remember the huge outcry from infantry when AV was getting nerfed into the ground. I do not remember people defending AV grenades, and I sure don't remember anyone have a problem with the AV grenade nerf. I do remember tankers crying non-stop about how tanks were sooo easy to kill, even though they could still kill LEGIONS of infantry then as well. Tanks were glass cannons then, they could kill a lot and die a lot. Now they just kill a lot and your community thinks everything is balanced. See OP. Convenient memory loss. Tanker going 10-0 is OP, but someone in a PRO suit going 30-2 is fine. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1913	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:07:00 - [48] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: calisk galern wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank. Erm, what "evidence" do you complainers present to the contrary if not anecdotal? hmmm....how about every single video on your tube involving the numerous 6 tank steam rolls? how about the hundreds of players that feel like quitting after being rolled game after game after game because they don't have 20+ million sp characters with anti tank fits. math, has been presented, videos presented, numerous steam rolls, ambush is practically unplayable because of them, what more do you want -.-. I can find the threads, and the videos, but seriously why do I need to, it's been discussed, av is likely getting buffed, i'm just shocked someone wants to still use the "I can pop a tank with my 35 million sp character, so tanks must be balanced" defence. Again, complaining about ambush. why would I complain about ambush, it's unplayable, we've all accepted it. well unless you are a tanker squad.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 156	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:09:00 - [49] - Quote It's fat guy week, and I'm eating tanks, I lost count last night at about 20. Not commenting on tanks/AV or skills vs hoopla, but I'm an aver right now, win lose or draw. I have a mid frame proto swarm fit with mines and scanners and damage mods, and if that doesn't work I switch to ishukone assault forge and elevation. And if THAT fails, I break out the Koran-mobile and get my nascar on. I'm losing matches and losing suits and idgaf I have isk falling out of my clone rectum. That being said, once again it's not tank it's TANKS. 7 of you booty heads circling the map like sharks around a shipwreck, forsaking anyone who may dare try and do any sort of flanking, starting, or otherwise leaving the hump dance mosh pit for any reason. I know a tankers job is to tank but man some of these non tankers in lethal militia tanks chewing through hapless blue bumms as they try and formulate a plan, by which time the match is halfway if not all the way over. Have some dang dignity, but in reality there's not much reason to, baby tanks are cost effective vs the off chance you may encounter someone like me in a game. In closing, tankers enjoy the luxury, you earned it. I used to pop you clowns from some remote tower in a totally different solar system, then get on my tank and rage when I couldn't pull out of the depot without dropping a mil risk. The end is nigh, however and I hope you realize that, MLT tank junkies are going to knock those silly hats right off you by either screwing up modules, or vehicle quota, or hell getting tanks pulled totally from the game who knows. Ccp is known for drastic change. Now, time to go crack open a few cold ones before work, cold tanks.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 687	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:10:00 - [50] - Quote no1 is even trying to av at the current point in time. the few ppl i do see using av are pretty successful. ive been aving for quite a while as well with my unspecced av. basically its a mlt free suit with adv swarms and std av nades. if ppl would pull their head out of their own ass and use some actual tactics with av. the situation would get better.

YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. EoN. 180	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:10:00 - [51] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Before: AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch) Now: Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV Before: Blah Blah ISK Now: 200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits Before: 1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP Now: 1 tank killing squads not OP Before: Tanks need teamwork to survive!! Now: Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork. Then: 400M range locks down entire field Now: lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters.... Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. When infantry complained about contact grenades, they were nerfed into the ground. When tankers complained about AV grenades, infantry said "LOL HTFU." Do not speak of hypocrisy. Uh... I do not remember the huge outcry from infantry when AV was getting nerfed into the ground. I do not remember people defending AV grenades, and I sure don't remember anyone have a problem with the AV grenade nerf. I do remember tankers crying non-stop about how tanks were sooo easy to kill, even though they could still kill LEGIONS of infantry then as well. Tanks were glass cannons then, they could kill a lot and die a lot. Now they just kill a lot and your community thinks everything is balanced. See OP. Convenient memory loss. Tanker going 10-0 is OP, but someone in a PRO suit going 30-2 is fine. AMEN HELL Yeah.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 304	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:12:00 - [52] - Quote So how full of **** are you? You just demonstrated a bunch of the OP, lets review: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Bullshit. You weren't paying attention, apparently. We'd point out how fucking BS it was that we'd get slaughtered inside ten seconds from outside rendering by assholes camping towers and the community would tell us 'HTFU'. Oh you mean you didnt like an invulnerable enemy? See Op. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: We'd complain about getting 3shotted by Lai Dai grenades. We'd be told to HTFU. Bull-fucking-shit. Yes bullshit, bullshit that somehow 4500 damage worth of damage killed a tank.... uhh... how did that happen? Was there a tank with less than 4500 eHP? Did that actually happen? Oh right, this claim is bullshit. there ya go, thanks for declaring the nature of your claim before making the claim. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Right, whatever. Saw some QQ about road killing last week. ADSes? People have been bitching about those too. Learn to read. So two isolated incidents a representative of the whoel eh? I see no flood of anti-dropship/ADS/LAV post. I do see at least 5-10 anti-tank posts a day though. Are you going to stop making bs claims anytime soon? Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Right whatever. No such thing as a LAV driver - they're tankers on a break. DS pilots have a problem with the redline. Infantry want AV in their pockets - always have, even when it was blatantly OP - I've been seeing calls for SL to be sidearms for months. AV - well you guys are just whiners. Can't hack it when everything's going your way, and now you have to invest SP and WORK*. But no, you can't do that. You're amazing* at this game - if you can't solo a HAV clearly it's OP. You shouldn't have to work or think - who called this the 'thinking man's shooter', anyway? Whiners? AV wants a chance to be the dedicated counter that they sacrifice all other effectiveness for. Just earlier I saw someone claiming tanks should be nigh invulnerable with sp and isk. Who are the whiners? The general population agreed that vehicles needed a buff, the swarm range nerf mainly effected dropships. Infantry cried the loudest to nerf forge guns, you guys just want to be invulnerable killing machines because you suck at every possible facet of gaming and need that crutch. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: More BS and lies So just off the top of my head, you have ture adamance, son-of-a-gun and Cl04ked Wolf claiming tanks are fine. All over the forums you have tankers saying "get gud" to infantry, you are delusional.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 304	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:15:00 - [53] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Do you know how to get useful elevation from the top of a tower? Lean over its edge. Know what happens when you do that? You wouldn't, because unlike tankers, you've never really tried the other side, have you? You risk falling off. You make yourself a huge target. Only an idiot rails from the top of a tower. I bet I'll see you up there sometime soon. P.S. How much terrain is there on top of a tower again? At least be consistent in your arguments. Holy sh-t you were serious. You seriously think that having a small elevation advantage outwieghs not being invulnerable to 90% of the game, much faster, much stronger, twice the range, twice the DPS, non-sp intensive, non-isk intensive, instantly recallable, instantly summonable anywhere, and so on. You really think that don't you. This OP was meant for you.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 304	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:16:00 - [54] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: no1 is even trying to av at the current point in time. the few ppl i do see using av are pretty successful. ive been aving for quite a while as well with my unspecced av. basically its a mlt free suit with adv swarms and std av nades. if ppl would pull their head out of their own ass and use some actual tactics with av. the situation would get better. No one tries to use the plasma cannon either. Is that because everyone sucks, or because using the plasma cannon is pointless? Oh right...............
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4943	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:17:00 - [55] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: calisk galern wrote: really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks? all right then.... may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys. I'm just finishing up getting my triples in WoT. Anyone who wants live evidence of how a real AV player does it I'll show you guys how to not suck. And yet you refused to accept my evidence on how not to suck as an HAV player... Hypocrite much? And you call my posts loaded Still haven't showed up to get solo'd, so there is no evidence that you are anything other than a scrub. How about I get the muppet OP, and we can q sync an FW with you. Two birds, one stone. I already told you to send me some mail in-game last time you brought it up. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub AFK No seriously. My lunch break's over now. :(
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 120	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:18:00 - [56] - Quote Tanks are fine, tank spam another issue.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 304	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:18:00 - [57] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Before: AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch) Now: Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV Before: Blah Blah ISK Now: 200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits Before: 1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP Now: 1 tank killing squads not OP Before: Tanks need teamwork to survive!! Now: Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork. Then: 400M range locks down entire field Now: lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters.... Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. When infantry complained about contact grenades, they were nerfed into the ground. When tankers complained about AV grenades, infantry said "LOL HTFU." Do not speak of hypocrisy. Uh... I do not remember the huge outcry from infantry when AV was getting nerfed into the ground. I do not remember people defending AV grenades, and I sure don't remember anyone have a problem with the AV grenade nerf. I do remember tankers crying non-stop about how tanks were sooo easy to kill, even though they could still kill LEGIONS of infantry then as well. Tanks were glass cannons then, they could kill a lot and die a lot. Now they just kill a lot and your community thinks everything is balanced. See OP. Convenient memory loss. Tanker going 10-0 is OP, but someone in a PRO suit going 30-2 is fine. Nope, just calling you on the unbelievable amount of crap that you claim as the truth on the forums. You lie, and lie, and lie, and lie because you suck at this game and need the OP tank crutch to feel better about it. Here is the difference. That pro that went 32-2, he was at risk of dying from militia suits. That tank that went 10-0 had nothing to fear.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 688	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:21:00 - [58] - Quote ^and the scrubs that suffer from tunnel vision continue to slug it out. for the few and far in between smart guys tanks are fine. and so is av. they just still need tweaking though. for the rest of the chaotic forums. we have the same very few ppl creating 100+ threads that say something needs to be nerfed or buffed. so they can hope to get their way in the end. ive seen good suggestions on these forums yet they are rarely looked at or even bothered with. yet it seems the one area that attracts all the attention is when the insults and trolling comes out.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 156	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:21:00 - [59] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: CLONE117 wrote: no1 is even trying to av at the current point in time. the few ppl i do see using av are pretty successful. ive been aving for quite a while as well with my unspecced av. basically its a mlt free suit with adv swarms and std av nades. if ppl would pull their head out of their own ass and use some actual tactics with av. the situation would get better. No one tries to use the plasma cannon either. Is that because everyone sucks, or because using the plasma cannon is pointless? Oh right............... Hey! I use the plc with AV grenades on gunnlogi all the time lol. And I kill people with it, although not on a regular basis. It certainly is not viable though, bit of fun using, but not viable Edit: I think I'll proto the plc next lol...
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 170	Posted - 2014.02.21 19:23:00 - [60] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Before: AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch) Now: Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV Before: Blah Blah ISK Now: 200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits Before: 1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP Now: 1 tank killing squads not OP Before: Tanks need teamwork to survive!! Now: Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork. Then: 400M range locks down entire field Now: lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters.... Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. To tell you the truth, I much more preferred things pre-1.7 and I've been tanking since the start of Chromosome. I lost my infantry killing power in 1.7 and I lost my godmode in 1.7, it's true that pre-1.7 AV was ridiculously strong but with a little bit of teamwork nowhere near OP. It was a lot less useless than it is now. We cannot spider tank for the lols anymore. So let me fix your list: Before: AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch) Now: Conventional AV is nerf'd and rendering is fixed, loloneshot remotes and proxies are the thing. Before: 20K ISK suit vs 600K-2.5K ISK tank Now: 70K-550K ISK tank vs 20K ISK suit - 70K ISK tank vs 550K ISK tank Before: 1 AV'er killing 3 tanks without breaking a sweat if no teamwork on the tanker's side 1 tank with support killing whole teams. Now: 1 AV instakilling any tank not OP 1 tank killing squads not OP Before: Tanks need teamwork to survive!! Now: Tanks have no teamwork possibility!! Still could use it!! Oh wait, instakilling would still happen... Then: 400M range locks down entire field Railgun snipes as far as you could render Now: Lol Railguns CQC and killing infantry @ 200M with Blasters if infantry is so stupid as to stay completely still when they start losing ~10hp per hit, requires DEAD ON aim by the tanker and level ground. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.



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