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Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:32:00 -
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Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now:
Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV
Before:
Blah Blah ISK
Now:
200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits
Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP
Now:
1 tank killing squads not OP
Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!
Now:
Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork.
Then:
400M range locks down entire field
Now:
lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters....
Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:05:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:lies about soling tanks all day everyday.
You are making an unproven cliam, I am calling you a liar. Proof or STFU... that is the way science works, you make a claim, YOU PROVE IT WITH EVIDENCE. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on you.
Lets see a video montage of you solo'ing tanks, otherwise you ARE A PROVEN LIAR.
That is all, carry on topic. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:07:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:really? you're actually going to try to deny his points with anecdotal evidence of how you are the magical jesus of blowing up tanks?
all right then....
may I suggest video evidence of your elite tank fighting skills, I personally would enjoy watching the batman of tank fighting deal with tanks like they were your whipping boys.
I would like to add a rail gun tank is nothing like a forge gunner, the forge gunner is vulnerable, slow, has near to no anti-infantry capabilities, and if he's a good forge gunner probably costs more then the tank.
LOL... batman of fighting tanks.... holy hell that actually had me laughing for a little bit |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:14:00 -
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Name the times you are available to be on, I will see if I can make it. I will also try to set up some type of video capture equipment so that afterwards, we can see the complete and utter liar you are.
So we will queu for amarr/caldari FW yes?
ALSO: Still doesn't change 1 thing in the orignal post, tanks are exactly what tankers used to complain about. Tanks are invulnerable, non-sp-intensive, cheap, omgwtfpwn-mobiles. IF ANY tanker had even the least shred of dignity, they would be crying just as loudly as they did before about the imbalance.
EDIT: Also I have a condition, I will be the gang-lead. I will ensure that we will not be queue syncing with anyone. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:38:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now:
Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV overnerfed SL and fixed bugs
Before:
Blah Blah ISK 200k HAV > 1x 200k suit when we could see them
Now:
200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits assuming you're a scrub and don't have/know how to use effective AV tactics. Or you expect your Duvolle to kill my HAV
Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP *1 AVer killing 1 HAV inside 10s from outside render distance is OP
Now:
1 tank killing squads not OP
because they've never done this before? Did you ever even play against a decent tanker?
Before:
AV should be able to SOLO! Make tanks require teamwork.
Now:
Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork.
Then:
400M range locks down entire field
Now:
lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters....
400m =/= 200m. This is called basic mathematics.
Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left.
two months =/= eight months. Although apparently Crimson Cerberes = Spkr4theDead.
I'm terribly sorry, but your credibility is approximately as poor as ours, if not worse.
lol@ invisible 400m fire-and-forget 2k DPS weapon 'requires skill'.
Yeah, nope. Do you know how often people would dance in the middle of the street trying to kill me? With both forges and swarms? Had a rather low success rate, which makes sense considering my experience surviving BS AV, but the very fact that it happened? Clearly it was somewhat successful. Do you honestly think it makes sense for me to be running an anti-infantry turret and that you are (hypptheticaly) capable of soloing me from the middle of the road in front of me? You might enjoy bitching and moaning (let's face it, you clearly do) but I can find you no more than two tankers that are satisfied with this current situation. I bet you can guess who they are Please, find me some AVers who stuck up for pilots at ANY point in the last eight months. Then come talk to me about fu cking 'hypocrisy'. I'm done. Enjoy your circle jerk.
Oh only about 90% of the forums agreed that tanks and especially dropships were underpowered. It was everyone on the forums who thought that they needed a boost. This is no secret, look at the damn forums. This was a large cross section from all types of gameplay.
Now? People still don't have a problem with LAVs or Dropships, ONLY TANKS. Now LAV drivers, Dropships pilots, infantry, and AV all have a problem with tanks. Who doesn't have a problem with tanks? The tanker community.
Sure you can say that there are only two tankers who have a problem with it, but that would be less the genuine wouldn't it?
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
301
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now:
Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV
Before:
Blah Blah ISK
Now:
200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits
Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP
Now:
1 tank killing squads not OP
Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!
Now:
Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork.
Then:
400M range locks down entire field
Now:
lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters....
Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. When infantry complained about contact grenades, they were nerfed into the ground. When tankers complained about AV grenades, infantry said "LOL HTFU." Do not speak of hypocrisy.
Uh... I do not remember the huge outcry from infantry when AV was getting nerfed into the ground. I do not remember people defending AV grenades, and I sure don't remember anyone have a problem with the AV grenade nerf.
I do remember tankers crying non-stop about how tanks were sooo easy to kill, even though they could still kill LEGIONS of infantry then as well. Tanks were glass cannons then, they could kill a lot and die a lot. Now they just kill a lot and your community thinks everything is balanced. See OP. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
301
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:44:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way.
Oh right totally the same.... well except with double the range forge guns ever had, double the DPS, with a great zoom, while being invulnerable to infantry, faster than infantry, and stronger than infantry.... but yeah totally the same.
Oh and that infantry also cired for forge gun nerfs as well, like non-stop. Tower forge gunners were a blight on infantry as well. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
301
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
ALSO: Still doesn't change 1 thing in the orignal post, tanks are exactly what tankers used to complain about. Tanks are invulnerable, non-sp-intensive, cheap, omgwtfpwn-mobiles. IF ANY tanker had even the least shred of dignity, they would be crying just as loudly as they did before about the imbalance.
Tanks certainly seem that way when you're shooting them with ARs, and throwing flux grenades at Madrugars.
So you are a crazy person right? You just spout crazy stuff that has nothing to do with what was being said at the time and has no bearing on anything? Maybe you are just a small child?
Ok kid, listen up. Tankers used to cry like babies that they had it so bad, and that all they wanted was balance. Now the roles are completely reversed, and tanks are insanely OP, more so than AV ever was. These cry babies? Oh they have no problem with it.
Oh wait.. you are one of them.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:52:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:its funny because tankers can now sit on a tower with a railgun, and are about 5x as effective as any infantry unit pre 1.7. Ask buzzzzzzzz kiilllllllllllllllllllll for details Forge gunners doing it is fine, but tankers doing it is OP. Double standards all the way. Oh right totally the same.... well except with double the range forge guns ever had, double the DPS, with a great zoom, while being invulnerable to infantry, faster than infantry, and stronger than infantry.... but yeah totally the same. Yeah, because forge gunners and HAV's totally have the same elevation in aiming... Oh wait a minute! 
Joke post?
Joke post.
You can't honestly think that is even remotely comparible right? So HAVs have a 50 degree elevation restriction, and that totally evens out the invulnerability to 90% of the game, oh and the incredible speed, oh and the cheapness, and being non-sp intensive, and double the range, and double the DPS, and easily travesing terrain that would make a heavy cry, and ....
Well I think I made my point.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
304
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:12:00 -
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So how full of ****** are you? You just demonstrated a bunch of the OP, lets review:
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Bullshit. You weren't paying attention, apparently. We'd point out how fucking BS it was that we'd get slaughtered inside ten seconds from outside rendering by assholes camping towers and the community would tell us 'HTFU'.
Oh you mean you didnt like an invulnerable enemy? See Op.
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
We'd complain about getting 3shotted by Lai Dai grenades. We'd be told to HTFU.
Bull-fucking-shit.
Yes bullshit, bullshit that somehow 4500 damage worth of damage killed a tank.... uhh... how did that happen? Was there a tank with less than 4500 eHP? Did that actually happen? Oh right, this claim is bullshit. there ya go, thanks for declaring the nature of your claim before making the claim.
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Right, whatever. Saw some QQ about road killing last week.
ADSes? People have been bitching about those too. Learn to read.
So two isolated incidents a representative of the whoel eh? I see no flood of anti-dropship/ADS/LAV post. I do see at least 5-10 anti-tank posts a day though. Are you going to stop making bs claims anytime soon?
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Right whatever. No such thing as a LAV driver - they're tankers on a break. DS pilots have a problem with the redline. Infantry want AV in their pockets - always have, even when it was blatantly OP - I've been seeing calls for SL to be sidearms for months.
AV - well you guys are just whiners. Can't hack it when everything's going your way, and now you have to invest SP and WORK. But no, you can't do that. You're amazing at this game - if you can't solo a HAV clearly it's OP. You shouldn't have to work or think - who called this the 'thinking man's shooter', anyway?
Whiners? AV wants a chance to be the dedicated counter that they sacrifice all other effectiveness for. Just earlier I saw someone claiming tanks should be nigh invulnerable with sp and isk. Who are the whiners? The general population agreed that vehicles needed a buff, the swarm range nerf mainly effected dropships. Infantry cried the loudest to nerf forge guns, you guys just want to be invulnerable killing machines because you suck at every possible facet of gaming and need that crutch.
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:More BS and lies
So just off the top of my head, you have ture adamance, son-of-a-gun and Cl04ked Wolf claiming tanks are fine. All over the forums you have tankers saying "get gud" to infantry, you are delusional. |
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
304
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:15:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Do you know how to get useful elevation from the top of a tower?
Lean over its edge.
Know what happens when you do that? You wouldn't, because unlike tankers, you've never really tried the other side, have you?
You risk falling off. You make yourself a huge target. Only an idiot rails from the top of a tower.
I bet I'll see you up there sometime soon.
P.S. How much terrain is there on top of a tower again?
At least be consistent in your arguments.
Holy sh-t you were serious. You seriously think that having a small elevation advantage outwieghs not being invulnerable to 90% of the game, much faster, much stronger, twice the range, twice the DPS, non-sp intensive, non-isk intensive, instantly recallable, instantly summonable anywhere, and so on.
You really think that don't you. This OP was meant for you. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
304
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:16:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:no1 is even trying to av at the current point in time.
the few ppl i do see using av are pretty successful. ive been aving for quite a while as well with my unspecced av. basically its a mlt free suit with adv swarms and std av nades.
if ppl would pull their head out of their own ass and use some actual tactics with av. the situation would get better.
No one tries to use the plasma cannon either. Is that because everyone sucks, or because using the plasma cannon is pointless?
Oh right............... |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:18:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now:
Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV
Before:
Blah Blah ISK
Now:
200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits
Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP
Now:
1 tank killing squads not OP
Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!
Now:
Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork.
Then:
400M range locks down entire field
Now:
lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters....
Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. When infantry complained about contact grenades, they were nerfed into the ground. When tankers complained about AV grenades, infantry said "LOL HTFU." Do not speak of hypocrisy. Uh... I do not remember the huge outcry from infantry when AV was getting nerfed into the ground. I do not remember people defending AV grenades, and I sure don't remember anyone have a problem with the AV grenade nerf. I do remember tankers crying non-stop about how tanks were sooo easy to kill, even though they could still kill LEGIONS of infantry then as well. Tanks were glass cannons then, they could kill a lot and die a lot. Now they just kill a lot and your community thinks everything is balanced. See OP. Convenient memory loss. Tanker going 10-0 is OP, but someone in a PRO suit going 30-2 is fine.
Nope, just calling you on the unbelievable amount of crap that you claim as the truth on the forums. You lie, and lie, and lie, and lie because you suck at this game and need the OP tank crutch to feel better about it.
Here is the difference. That pro that went 32-2, he was at risk of dying from militia suits. That tank that went 10-0 had nothing to fear. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:29:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now:
Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV
Before:
Blah Blah ISK
Now:
200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits
Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP
Now:
1 tank killing squads not OP
Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!
Now:
Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork.
Then:
400M range locks down entire field
Now:
lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters....
Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. To tell you the truth, I much more preferred things pre-1.7 and I've been tanking since the start of Chromosome. I lost my infantry killing power in 1.7 and I lost my godmode in 1.7, it's true that pre-1.7 AV was ridiculously strong but with a little bit of teamwork nowhere near OP. It was a lot less useless than it is now. We cannot spider tank for the lols anymore. So let me fix your list: Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now: Tanks are invulnerable to 90% of the game Before:
200K ISK suit vs 600K-2.5K ISK tank
Now: 70K-550K ISK tank vs 200K ISK suit (p.s. no one thinks that milita suits taking out proto suits is wrong) Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks if 15+ mil sp invested into suit/weapon1 tank with support killing whole teams. Now: Only jihad jeeps are viable, all other AV is lol 1 tank killing squads not OP Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!Now: Tanks can still get repped, can still have infatry support, don't need it because lol op Then: 400M range locks down entire field Railgun snipes as far as you could render Now: Lol 600 m Railguns 200 m blasters
Took a minute to pull all of your b-llsh-t out of that post. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:41:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Uh... I do not remember the huge outcry from infantry when AV was getting nerfed into the ground. I do not remember people defending AV grenades, and I sure don't remember anyone have a problem with the AV grenade nerf.
I do remember tankers crying non-stop about how tanks were sooo easy to kill, even though they could still kill LEGIONS of infantry then as well. Tanks were glass cannons then, they could kill a lot and die a lot. Now they just kill a lot and your community thinks everything is balanced. See OP.
Read this thread.
uhh... ok??
a post back in febuary, that last a whole 24 post... doesn't sound like a huge topic there. Also, there are alot of reasoned counter-points, like the fact that you have to be within 30 meters to use them, or that 3 lia dias CANNOT kill a tank even then.
first one is directed at attim, so he can deal with that
Second and third one HAVE THE SAME GUY claiming swarms are either fine or need a buff. King CHECKMATE. This is not a reasoned arguement, you are just picking one dude and repeatedly showing his post as proof. Just look through the forums at the time.
It was concensus that vehicles needed a buff, from all corners of the community. It was concensus that swarm range was too far.
Also, swarms did need an alteration then, but not the way you are thinking. Swarms get +25% dmg per tier, thats ridiculous. So back then, militia/standard swarms were balanced (other than range) but adv and proto were way too good. The problem with swarms was/is the damage scaling. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:46:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now:
Tanks are invulnerable to infantry and most AV
Before:
Blah Blah ISK
Now:
200k tank >>>>>>>>>>>> 200k suits
Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks is OP
Now:
1 tank killing squads not OP
Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!
Now:
Tanks should be able to SOLO!! Make AV require teamwork.
Then:
400M range locks down entire field
Now:
lol railguns and killing infantry at 200 Ms with blasters....
Yeah, you guys never get to talk about underpowered again... ever. You have no credibility left. To tell you the truth, I much more preferred things pre-1.7 and I've been tanking since the start of Chromosome. I lost my infantry killing power in 1.7 and I lost my godmode in 1.7, it's true that pre-1.7 AV was ridiculously strong but with a little bit of teamwork nowhere near OP. It was a lot less useless than it is now. We cannot spider tank for the lols anymore. So let me fix your list: Before:
AV is invulnerable to Tanks (rendering glitch)
Now: Tanks are invulnerable to 90% of the game Before:
200K ISK suit vs 600K-2.5K ISK tank
Now: 70K-550K ISK tank vs 200K ISK suit (p.s. no one thinks that milita suits taking out proto suits is wrong) Before:
1 AV'er killing 3 tanks if 15+ mil sp invested into suit/weapon1 tank with support killing whole teams. Now: Only jihad jeeps are viable, all other AV is lol 1 tank killing squads not OP Before:
Tanks need teamwork to survive!!Now: Tanks can still get repped, can still have infatry support, don't need it because lol op Then: 400M range locks down entire field Railgun snipes as far as you could render Now: Lol 600 m Railguns 200 m blasters Took a minute to pull all of your b-llsh-t out of that post. Clearly you don't even AV and you have to change your own words when they look bad (are actually true).
I just didn't want to take the time to re-reference my orignal post. In then end what you wrote was complete and utter drivel, easily debunked and refuted.
Let me break it down for you:
Tankers used to cry that they required teamwork before, now they don't and they tell AV that they NEED it.
Tankers used to cry about AV being invulnerable because of a rendering glitch, but tankers are invulnerable to 90% of the game.
Tankers used to cry about isk/sp investments, but now not so much. Also they completely ignore the fact that EVERYONE thinks starter fits killing a proto logi is balanced.
Tankers used to cry about 1 av'er killing tanks easily, but they kill infantry in much greater numbers and with much greater ease.
The hypocrisy is evident and everywhere. The fact that you don't see it says a lot about you. |
Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:02:00 -
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YourDeadAgain76 wrote:These are our STD tanks, i cant wait to see you guys freekout when/if we get our ADV and Proto HAV's. LOL
If you are posting about Tanks being OP and you cant solo us with militia,STD FG/SL.
Then you are an idiot AV'r. To those of you that have ADV or Proto AV with Proficiency 4 or 5 with Complex Damage mods i dont here you guys saying HAV'S are OP.
You know why....cause they aint,....its because HAV's are not that hard to solo. Hell if you got 2 Av'rs with ADV or Proto with Damage mods n some av nades, we pop with a little effort if you try.
Another tad bit of info for ya Av scrubs. Use teamwork, Get proto, or get lost.
Proof or STFU.
Here is a bit of math for you:
IAFG does 2047 dmg per shot with proficiency 5 and 2 complex damage mods. There is no infantry based AV that does more sustained damage than the IAFG, it is the premier AV, to top tier, the counterpoint to a fully skilled gunnlogi or maddrugar. This fitting requires a total of 3.5 mil sp just for the suit and the weapon/wdmg mods. All specific to 1 role, before any other things are considered.
The IAFG does about 545 damage per second (sustained DPS including reloads).
If you were a lazy tanker and threw on 3x enhanced armor reps, with maxed armor rep skill ( a total of 1.2 mil sp) You would tank 450 hp/sec, forever, without any input from you. This means that the IAFG would require around 52 straight seconds of firing at you, without you moving, or firing back, or anything, and a supply of nanohives which it can't carry, in order to blow you up.
Oh yeah that seems balanced.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:07:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
first one is directed at attim, so he can deal with that
Second and third one HAVE THE SAME GUY claiming swarms are either fine or need a buff. King CHECKMATE. This is not a reasoned arguement, you are just picking one dude and repeatedly showing his post as proof. Just look through the forums at the time.
It was concensus that vehicles needed a buff, from all corners of the community. It was concensus that swarm range was too far.
Also, swarms did need an alteration then, but not the way you are thinking. Swarms get +25% dmg per tier, thats ridiculous. So back then, militia/standard swarms were balanced (other than range) but adv and proto were way too good. The problem with swarms was/is the damage scaling.
I just grabbed from the first two pages of search results. I didn't think you would try to fight it, but I underestimated your inability to see the truth. I'll start working on a much better post that will shut you down if you like. If you end up squading with me when I show you how to kill tanks, I am going to make so much fun of you. I am starting to doubt if you would even be able to understand how to fight tanks, if this is the type of debate you are capable of.
You go ahead and do that, and in response I will just go to the linked forum post time periods and screen-cap the forum displays. We will see how prevalent it was.
Also, I will probably be on from 0800-1000 Gametime tongiht if you want to gang. I can not wait for you to start posting on an alt after I post a video of your ineptitude. |
Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:17:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
first one is directed at attim, so he can deal with that
Second and third one HAVE THE SAME GUY claiming swarms are either fine or need a buff. King CHECKMATE. This is not a reasoned arguement, you are just picking one dude and repeatedly showing his post as proof. Just look through the forums at the time.
It was concensus that vehicles needed a buff, from all corners of the community. It was concensus that swarm range was too far.
Also, swarms did need an alteration then, but not the way you are thinking. Swarms get +25% dmg per tier, thats ridiculous. So back then, militia/standard swarms were balanced (other than range) but adv and proto were way too good. The problem with swarms was/is the damage scaling.
I just grabbed from the first two pages of search results. I didn't think you would try to fight it, but I underestimated your inability to see the truth. I'll start working on a much better post that will shut you down if you like. If you end up squading with me when I show you how to kill tanks, I am going to make so much fun of you. I am starting to doubt if you would even be able to understand how to fight tanks, if this is the type of debate you are capable of. You go ahead and do that, and in response I will just go to the linked forum post time periods and screen-cap the forum displays. We will see how prevalent it was. Also, I will probably be on from 0800-1000 Gametime tongiht if you want to gang. I can not wait for you to start posting on an alt after I post a video of your ineptitude. Lol. Mind = Blown.
So why is your mind blown?
He will meticulously troll through the forums to find isolated instances of people claiming AV nades were perfectly balanced before 1.7, or that AV was perfectly balanced. In response to this I will go to those time frames and screen cap the forums and we will see how prevalent those claims were. (hint: they were very rare.) |
Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:45:00 -
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Salt Dog 76 wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:YourDeadAgain76 wrote:These are our STD tanks, i cant wait to see you guys freekout when/if we get our ADV and Proto HAV's. LOL
If you are posting about Tanks being OP and you cant solo us with militia,STD FG/SL.
Then you are an idiot AV'r. To those of you that have ADV or Proto AV with Proficiency 4 or 5 with Complex Damage mods i dont here you guys saying HAV'S are OP.
You know why....cause they aint,....its because HAV's are not that hard to solo. Hell if you got 2 Av'rs with ADV or Proto with Damage mods n some av nades, we pop with a little effort if you try.
Another tad bit of info for ya Av scrubs. Use teamwork, Get proto, or get lost.
Proof or STFU. Here is a bit of math for you: IAFG does 2047 dmg per shot with proficiency 5 and 2 complex damage mods. There is no infantry based AV that does more sustained damage than the IAFG, it is the premier AV, to top tier, the counterpoint to a fully skilled gunnlogi or maddrugar. This fitting requires a total of 3.5 mil sp just for the suit and the weapon/wdmg mods. All specific to 1 role, before any other things are considered. The IAFG does about 545 damage per second (sustained DPS including reloads). If you were a lazy tanker and threw on 3x enhanced armor reps, with maxed armor rep skill ( a total of 1.2 mil sp) You would tank 450 hp/sec, forever, without any input from you. This means that the IAFG would require around 52 straight seconds of firing at you, without you moving, or firing back, or anything, and a supply of nanohives which it can't carry, in order to blow you up. Oh yeah that seems balanced. LOL you are so rediculous its making my side hurt. My suggestion for you is to GG. Skill into Proto FG with proficiency 5 reload speed and ammo and get your complex damage mods on a Basic proto hvy suit instead of throwing out numbers like a geek. I have and do solo Maddys/Gunnys all the time now, then, PC, ambush, Dom,Skrim. You complaining about this issue and not giving up on it makes you come off as a noob scrub thats mad you only have 3 million sp and it will take me to long. WA WA WA Quit your crying on the forums grab your proto FG and fight the tankers back to the redline ya P U S S.
Tanslation: MATH HARD..... GROG NO LIKE MATH..... GROG LIKE TANK.....GROG MAKE TANK SEEM EASY KILL..... GROG CALL NAMES........ GROG SMART |
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Crimson Cerberes
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Lol nobody reply to this guy anymore, he's just trolling us.
Yep, math, facts, debunking, totally trolling.
Just try to show some kind of proof that tanks aren't insanely OP.
Some dude was offering 50 mil isk for video evidence earlier for proof of people who say soloing tanks is easy. You can convince me with just math, no need to set up any equipment.
Oh you can't do it? That's a shmae.... |
Crimson Cerberes
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The Attorney General wrote:A more comprehensive list: Thread #1AV defenders: SoldierSaint, Beren Hurin, French Fancy, Son Down Thread #2Defenders: Cody Seitz, Tech Ohm(sort of), StlCarlos, Djinn Leukoplast, Castba, Asirius Medaius, Rynoceros, R'adeh Hunt, Thread #3Banning Hammer, Delta 749(here listed, although also a participant in other threads) Thread #4Just Calisk on this one. Thread #5Wolfgang Erikson, Krasymptimo Thread #6Minivan Survivor, Still Blazn, Mike Molle I could keep going, but maybe by now you get the point.
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Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:54:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Lol nobody reply to this guy anymore, he's just trolling us. Yep, math, facts, debunking, totally trolling. Just try to show some kind of proof that tanks aren't insanely OP. Some dude was offering 50 mil isk for video evidence earlier for proof of people who say soloing tanks is easy. You can convince me with just math, no need to set up any equipment. Oh you can't do it? That's a shmae.... Well, the problem here is that you completely ignored one of my posts and you also completely ignored what I was trying to say.
Sorry it is hard to get to the entire tank-brigade at all times, can you repeat your B.S., take a number and sit in the corner with grog. I will BBL to address your B.S. |
Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:06:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Lol nobody reply to this guy anymore, he's just trolling us. Yep, math, facts, debunking, totally trolling. Just try to show some kind of proof that tanks aren't insanely OP. Some dude was offering 50 mil isk for video evidence earlier for proof of people who say soloing tanks is easy. You can convince me with just math, no need to set up any equipment. Oh you can't do it? That's a shmae.... Well, the problem here is that you completely ignored one of my posts and you also completely ignored what I was trying to say. Sorry it is hard to get to the entire tank-brigade at all times, can you repeat your B.S., take a number and sit in the corner with grog. I will BBL to address your B.S. So you are trolling... when someone is trying to take the middle ground here you just bash em too?
I honestly have no idea what you said. I am a bit defensive right now and agitated and need to go. Sorry if I lumped you in with the rest of the "tanks are fine, get gud scrub" ret4rds on these boards. I will address your stuff when I have more time. |
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