I'll be on most of the day. I have PC's around 8 p.m. EST though, so I will have to get on this character to do them.

I've made numerous posts about the solutions I think would help remedy the current imbalance. I no longer have to tolerate crybaby posts that offer nothing constructive.

You want to lump all tankers in the same group, when I have a record of posts saying the old tanks were not that bad, that what was needed before any changes were made was to fix the rendering problems. But guys like you won't ever acknowledge that there were tankers advising caution before making wholesale changes because it doesn't fit in with your BS narrative.

Thanks for calling me a liar too. Want to put some ISK up since you seem so confident? How about 1 mill per tank I solo? I am going to laugh my ass off when I am killing tanks calling you a scrub.

Proof or STFU.

Here is a bit of math for you:

IAFG does 2047 dmg per shot with proficiency 5 and 2 complex damage mods. There is no infantry based AV that does more sustained damage than the IAFG, it is the premier AV, to top tier, the counterpoint to a fully skilled gunnlogi or maddrugar. This fitting requires a total of 3.5 mil sp just for the suit and the weapon/wdmg mods. All specific to 1 role, before any other things are considered.

The IAFG does about 545 damage per second (sustained DPS including reloads).

If you were a lazy tanker and threw on 3x enhanced armor reps, with maxed armor rep skill ( a total of 1.2 mil sp) You would tank 450 hp/sec, forever, without any input from you. This means that the IAFG would require around 52 straight seconds of firing at you, without you moving, or firing back, or anything, and a supply of nanohives which it can't carry, in order to blow you up.

Oh yeah that seems balanced.

Proof or STFU.

Here is a bit of math for you:

IAFG does 2047 dmg per shot with proficiency 5 and 2 complex damage mods. There is no infantry based AV that does more sustained damage than the IAFG, it is the premier AV, to top tier, the counterpoint to a fully skilled gunnlogi or maddrugar. This fitting requires a total of 3.5 mil sp just for the suit and the weapon/wdmg mods. All specific to 1 role, before any other things are considered.

The IAFG does about 545 damage per second (sustained DPS including reloads).

If you were a lazy tanker and threw on 3x enhanced armor reps, with maxed armor rep skill ( a total of 1.2 mil sp) You would tank 450 hp/sec, forever, without any input from you. This means that the IAFG would require around 52 straight seconds of firing at you, without you moving, or firing back, or anything, and a supply of nanohives which it can't carry, in order to blow you up.

Oh yeah that seems balanced.

To really get a good grasp of the situation you really need to put some time into playing both roles. Both roles being Tanks and AV. I'm a Tanker(Proto Missile Gunnolgi, complex mods) and I'm also an AV Heavy(Proto Forge Guns, Prof Lv4). I'll explain my positions on the Tank V. Infantry(rather than focus on Tank V. Tank)

Here are my views and such:

Now I have used Blasters, Rails and Missiles. However I only run Missiles now(unless there's some jack-wagon Redline Rail Gun). The way I see it, Blasters absolutely wreck infantry and are the biggest problem that infantry face. I think a simple increase in dispersion, lower fire rate, and higher damage per shot would decrease it's effectiveness against infantry(especially at range) while keeping it's current effectiveness against Vehicles. Currently, Rail Guns are not very effective against infantry, and unless you have [brag]sweet Missile skillz like me and can hit infantry reliably[/brag] Missiles aren't very effective either(especially with their broken feeling splash mechanics.)

While I do use Tanks, I am truly a Heavy at heart. Maybe it's because I've been a Heavy since I started playing Dust over a year ago and I've gotten particularly good, but I can easily solo Tanks with an Assault Forge Gun and an AV nade or two(maybe even finish 'em off with a flaylock just to get them real salty). The trick is to get behind them and aim at their weak spot. A shocking and revolutionary tactic, I know. But I am serious, the amount of Forge Gunners I've seen who just shoot at the side of Tank from 200m away that can easily just hide behind a near by building or hill is staggering.

Swarms. Sorry, I've never used Swarms seriously. I'd love to offer some balancing or buff suggestions, but I've never used them so I don't feel like I'm in a position to really talk about them.

Here's some tips for you fellow Forge Gunners out there:

Don't use the Sentinel. Only use Basic Frames. Damage mods effect Forge Guns more than any other infantry weapon due to the Forge Guns high base damage, so being able to stick two of them on a suit is vital.

Be mobile. Use an LAV, but don't drive right up to the Tank because it'll probably hear you. And if you are really close to a Tank, drive slower and thus quieter. I swear, people only ever go full throttle or nothing. Get out a distance away and walk closer if you need too. I also recommend putting a Cardiac Regulator and a KinCat in your low slots so you can move a bit faster for longer. Also be prepared to lose your LAV, either to an enemy blowing it up, the LAV blowing itself up if you're away from it for too long, or some ******* blueberry taking off while you're resupplying.

The Assault Forge Gun is King. Unless you want to risk losing any of your Gastun's, use the AFG. ADV tier is fine, but if you can afford it, go with the Ishukone. If you're not good with the AFG, learn to get good. Make an cheap fit, get in an Ambush match and try to hit infantry and get used to the charge-up time. If you can hit a sprinting scout at 100m you can hit a Tank's fuel cells.

EDIT: After reading through most of this thread, the rage is hilarious. I recommend calming down and trying to actually come up with constructive ideas.