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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:20:00 -
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Good video. A few points I wanted to hit on, but just one for now.
By about 22:22 Judge has already made his suggestion for reducing the elevation on Rail Turrets. That's fine. He goes on to say "Tankers can be defended from dropships easily. Fit a turret on the roof and you can hit us with the exact same weapon we're hitting you with. It becomes a fitting balance. No top turret, dropships have great advantage. If they're above you."
About this 'fitting balance.' Secondary turrets can be very restrictive on CPU/PG. No matter which Small Turret slot you use on the fitting window (and no matter where it shows the turret on the fitting window model), your first turret defaults to the front. That means to put the turret on top, you must fit a front turret.
Is this a bug, or is it intended? If it's a bug it needs to be fixed. If it's intended, it needs to be rethought.
How is it 'fitting balance' for me to maybe be able to hit you with the same weapon you're hitting me with if I need to fit two of them to do it, only have one of them be useful (and only if you're in its firing arc,) and possibly sacrifice whatever tank, gank, or utility I had originally intended to fit?
If I could actually get my turret to be on top without needing to fit two of them, all of my tank fits would have a top turret.
Edit: added link to video
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:00:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Ummm you can bro, just put one turret on. I have dropship fits with only one turret and I can choose either side. Just select which spot you want it on and put it in. No need to also fit a front turret.
It's as if you didn't read my post. Try again and report back.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:19:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Ummm you can bro, just put one turret on. I have dropship fits with only one turret and I can choose either side. Just select which spot you want it on and put it in. No need to also fit a front turret. It's as if you didn't read my post. Try again and report back. I really don't know what to tell you, I have a tank fit with a top turret and a tank fit with a front turret 
Apologies for my rude tone then. In that case, it must be a bug. I just got into a match with a test fit HAV. I placed the turret in the left slot and the model showed it on top. I named the fit "top turret." When I called it in, the turret was on front.
And as Judge states in his video, you can't balance around bugs.
EDIT: Which isn't to say don't balance it, but rather, fix the damn bug.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:42:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:If you are correct then yes CCP should fix it.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:57:00 -
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The video states that the elevation on a Large Rail Turret is 45deg. I can buy that. What is it on a Small Rail Turret?
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:22:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Doc DDD wrote:
"Hi, I want to call my dropship and hover over the bridge without getting railed unless I can fly over to the rail and pop him before I go back to farming Militia suits on the bridge, I am entitled to every inch of airspace at all times and should never consider my team has no contingency for anyone trying to counter me."
I feel a little disappointed that you feel so threatened by the facts that you need to try to ridicule me. I understand your approach, and your weaknesses; but why not try engage me on my level. Give me facts. Show me me evidence. Your quote is easily dismissed. I clearly did not say that as anyone who sees the video can see. So while I can see that you find difficulty in understanding the issues, you only need to ask and we can explain to you how fairness for all is what we want.
While your here, quick response on the top turret bit.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:31:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:i think i mentioned that "bugs aside" as the fact you cont choose your turret location is a known bug. As for the elevation - I found 57 degees.. but not happy with the testing which is why i didn't include
A DUST IRC chat I'm having right now would lead me to believe that not being able to chose your turret location is a bug is in fact not well known. You don't mention that in your video.
And to be clear, the elevation for Large Rails is 45deg, and Small Rails is 57deg?
As far as the issue at hand, sure, go for it. Adjust rail elevation and range (EDIT: and fix the turret placement bug. Can't say "put on a unbonused top turret to defend yourself against my ADS bonused turret" when you can't pick where it goes, can you?) You did mention something to the effect of "while the maps are so small." Is this nerf something you'd be fine with reverting when we get larger maps/open world?
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