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CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1746	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:49:00 - [1] - Quote Vehicle-optimized mercs, Through the release of Uprising 1.7 we will be bringing major vehicle adjustments to DUST 514. Alongside balance and design changes, some currently existing vehicles, modules and turrets will be removed from the game. We've heard your questions and concerns regarding Skill and Item refunds and wished to address them comprehensively here. Vehicles that are planned for removal will be fully refunded to you in both ISK and AUR. Additionally, we will be performing a full vehicle skill tree respec (and skill book ISK refund) for anyone that has skill points invested into the Vehicle and Turret skill trees (Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades and Turret Operation). In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints. Below is the list of vehicles, modules and turrets that will be removed and fully refunded on Uprising 1.7GÇÖs deployment, along with Skills and their current prices: Modules: 9680 ISK Militia Damage Control Unit 14000 ISK Damage Control Unit I 20280 ISK Crisis Damage Control Unit 29360 ISK F45 Peripheral Damage Control Unit 42520 ISK Electron Damage Control Unit 6000 ISK Nanofiber Structure I 8680 ISK Modified P-Type Nanofiber 12560 ISK Altered M-Type Nanofiber 18200 ISK Type-G Nanofibre Internal Structure 22080 ISK Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates 4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint 32000 ISK 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates 46320 ISK 180mm Reinforced Nanofibre Plates 67080 ISK 180mm Reinforced Polycrystalline Plates 97160 ISK 180mm Reinforced Type-A Plates 16000 ISK Light Remote Armor Repair Unit I 23160 ISK Light Remote IG-R Polarized Armor Regenerator 33560 ISK Light Remote Efficient Armor Repair Unit 48560 ISK Light Remote Automated Armor Repair Unit 32000 ISK Heavy Remote Armor Repair Unit I 46320 ISK Heavy Remote IG-R Polarized Armor Regenerator 67080 ISK Heavy Remote Efficient Armor Repair Unit 97160 ISK Heavy Remote Automated Armor Repair Unit 4160 ISK Militia Energized Plating 6000 ISK Energized Plating I 8680 ISK Energized Nanite Plating 12560 ISK Voltaic Energized Plating 18200 ISK N-Type Energized Plating 16000 ISK Light Shield Transporter I 23160 ISK Light Converse Shield Transporter 33560 ISK Light Clarity Ward Shield Transporter 48560 ISK Light C3-R Shield Transporter 32000 ISK Heavy Shield Transporter I 46320 ISK Heavy Converse Shield Transporter 67080 ISK Heavy Clarity Ward Shield Transporter 97160 ISK Heavy C5-R Shield Transporter 4160 ISK Militia Shield Regenerator 4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint 6000 ISK Shield Regenerator I 8680 ISK Supplemental Shield Regenerator 12560 ISK Ward Shield Regenerator 18200 ISK M42 Shield Regenerator 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4160 ISK Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 6000 ISK Shield Resistance Amplifier I 8680 ISK Supplemental Shield Amplifier 12560 ISK Ward Shield Amplifier 18200 ISK F-S3 Shield Amplifier 25000 ISK Systemic Field Stabilizer I 36240 ISK Systemic Vortex Stabilizer 52480 ISK Systemic Field Stabilizer II 12000 ISK High Throughput Field Stabilizer I 25160 ISK HT Linear Flux Stabilizer 36240 ISK High Throughput Field Stabilizer II 12000 ISK Systemic Ballistic Control System I 25160 ISK Systemic Bolt Array I 36240 ISK Systemic Ballistic Control System II 12000 ISK Heavy Payload Control System I 17360 ISK HP Multiphasic Bolt Array I 25160 ISK Heavy Payload Control System II 8280 ISK Militia Heat Sink 12000 ISK Conscript Heat Sink 17360 ISK Modified Extruded Heat Sink 25160 ISK Vented Heat Sink 25160 ISK 'Helios' Heat Sink 11040 ISK Militia Active Heat Sink 16000 ISK Active Heat Sink I 23160 ISK Azeotripic Coolant Pump 33560 ISK Active Heat Sink II 33560 ISK Gadolinium Array 8280 ISK Militia Spool Reduction Unit 12000 ISK Fire Control System 17360 ISK Asynchronous Fire Control 25160 ISK Fire Control System II 25160 ISK 'Trojan' Fire Control System 11040 ISK Militia Tracking CPU 16000 ISK Conscript Tracking Computer I 36240 ISK G-11 Nonlinear Tracking Processor 33560 ISK Conscript Tracking Computer II 33560 ISK 'Delphi' Tracking CPU 8280 ISK Militia Tracking Enhancement 12000 ISK Conscript Tracking Enhancer I 17360 ISK Delta-Nought Tracking Mode 17360 ISK Conscript Tracking Enhancer II 25160 ISK Zeta-Nought Tracking Mode 4160 ISK Militia Power Diagnostic System 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint 6000 ISK Power Diagnostic System I 8680 ISK Beta Power Diagnostic System 12560 ISK Local Power Diagnostic System 18200 ISK Type-G Power Diagnostic System Turrets: 17360 ISK 20GJ Stabilized Blaster 17360 ISK 20GJ Compressed Blaster 25160 ISK 20GJ Scattered Blaster 52760 ISK 20GJ Stabilized Neutron Blaster 52760 ISK 20GJ Compressed Neutron Blaster 76400 ISK 20GJ Scattered Neutron Blaster 160160 ISK 20GJ Stabilized Ion Cannon 160160 ISK 20GJ Compressed Ion Cannon 231880 ISK 20GJ Scattered Ion Cannon 69520 ISK 80GJ Stabilized Blaster 69520 ISK 80GJ Compressed Blaster 100640 ISK 80GJ Scattered Blaster 211000 ISK 80GJ Stabilized Neutron Blaster 211000 ISK 80GJ Compressed Neutron Blaster 305520 ISK 80GJ Scattered Neutron Blaster 640600 ISK 80GJ Stabilized Ion Cannon 640600 ISK 80GJ Compressed Ion Cannon 927560 ISK 80GJ Scattered Ion Cannon 17360 ISK 20GJ Stabilized Railgun 25160 ISK 20GJ Compressed Railgun 17360 ISK 20GJ Regulated Railgun 52760 ISK 20GJ Stabilized Particle Accelerator 76400 ISK 20GJ Compressed Particle Accelerator 52760 ISK 20GJ Regulated Particle Accelerator 160160 ISK 20GJ Stabilized Particle Cannon 231880 ISK 20GJ Compressed Particle Cannon 160160 ISK 20GJ Regulated Particle Cannon 69520 ISK 80GJ Stabilized Railgun 100640 ISK 80GJ Compressed Railgun 69520 ISK 80GJ Regulated Railgun 211000 ISK 80GJ Stabilized Particle Accelerator 305520 ISK 80GJ Compressed Particle Accelerator 211000 ISK 80GJ Regulated Particle Accelerator 640600 ISK 80GJ Stabilized Particle Cannon 927560 ISK 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon<... 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Thanatus Sleep 0	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:55:00 - [2] - Quote CCP LOVE *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2906	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:56:00 - [3] - Quote Damn
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1871	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:59:00 - [4] - Quote Waiting for cries of "CCP is taking all of our BPOs" after the post that only items that will not exist anymore are being refunded. This is the skill refund I was expecting. But, I'm also waiting for the cries that people somehow deserve a full refund. I seem to become more cynical at night. Maybe I should just go to bed. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Pilot // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1780	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:59:00 - [5] - Quote I'm suddenly much richer. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 103	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:00:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, Through the release of Uprising 1.7 we will be bringing major vehicle adjustments to DUST 514. Alongside balance and design changes, some currently existing vehicles, modules and turrets will be removed from the game. We've heard your questions and concerns regarding Skill and Item refunds and wished to address them comprehensively here. Vehicles that are planned for removal will be fully refunded to you in both ISK and AUR. Additionally, we will be performing a full vehicle skill tree respec (and skill book ISK refund) for anyone that has skill points invested into the Vehicle and Turret skill trees (Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades and Turret Operation). In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertain good, but what are vehicle prices in 1.7? btw how can we test any vehicle changes in 1.7 if there even bigger so sinks? recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Thanatus Sleep 0	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:00:00 - [7] - Quote CCP taking the Vehicle Blueprint why? *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Rusty Shallows 513	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:01:00 - [8] - Quote R.I.P my beautiful little spamable all BPO LAV. For only 4 mil SP and $7.20 in cash you gave me many hours of good times in Death Race 514. It's for the greater good. You will not be forgotten. Post Edit: I hold no grudges at CCP. The Dev's are removing said modules from the game so I'm more than happy to get my AUR back. Which is the right thing to do. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1981	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:04:00 - [9] - Quote Wii moar sp. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Valto Nyntus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 45	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:04:00 - [10] - Quote This is just what I wanted, all of it, especially the vehicle respec.=)

HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 345	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:07:00 - [11] - Quote Damn. Wanted a respec. Was to manly for vehicles so im to manly for respecs. Sigh. You are welcome for my leadership
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 103	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:08:00 - [12] - Quote thread typo, but i applaud CCP for all the typing "Vehiche Respec" Vehicle Respec recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1871	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:08:00 - [13] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: CCP taking the Vehicle Blueprint why? Do you see any vehicle BPOs on the list? I don't. Everything that is being removed from your inventory are items that are being removed from the game because vehicles are being radically changed. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Pilot // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1614	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:11:00 - [14] - Quote Huh. Guess I can get them Comp extenders after all. Any leftovers I'll either dump in RR, or get a cheap AV LAV running. Thanks. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2084	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:12:00 - [15] - Quote It'd be interesting to know how much SP I've actually put into dropships, I've never been bothered to calculate it. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1750	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:12:00 - [16] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: thread typo, but i applaud CCP for all the typing "Vehiche Respec" Vehicle Respec Oops. Sorry about that! Fixed. Yeah, we've been typing quite a lot right there... CCP Frame

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 405	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:14:00 - [17] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: CCP taking the Vehicle Blueprint why? Do you see any vehicle BPOs on the list? I don't. Everything that is being removed from your inventory are items that are being removed from the game because vehicles are being radically changed. Just wondering how many people have multiple copies of those BPO modules from the immediate post-closed beta days. Going to be super wealthy [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 103	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:15:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: thread typo, but i applaud CCP for all the typing "Vehiche Respec" Vehicle Respec Oops. Sorry about that! Fixed. Yeah, we've been typing quite a lot right there... it's ok. but what are the prices in 1.7? 200k isk for tank? 469k for ads? recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Thanatus Sleep 0	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:18:00 - [19] - Quote I have 3x Eryx, 100x Falchion, 25x Prometheus, 100x HT Linear Flux Stabilizer, 100x 80GJ Stabilized Neutron Blaster, and 5x Charybdis on my Item assignment screen when you log in to a character. So what happen If I don't assign the items to my character CCP? Will you refund Items on the assignment screen? *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1258	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:19:00 - [20] - Quote Thank you for this, CCP Frame. Will us pilots with a significant amount of SP into vehicles receive a full and total respec so we can go 100% into vehicles? I have a ton of SP into infantry at the moment, and it will be much better utilized towards vehicles. Heard the math from someone and it will take upwards of 20mil SP for one vehicle and turret type. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 103	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:22:00 - [21] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Thank you for this, CCP Frame. Will us pilots with a significant amount of SP into vehicles receive a full and total respec so we can go 100% into vehicles? I have a ton of SP into infantry at the moment, and it will be much better utilized towards vehicles. Heard the math from someone and it will take upwards of 20mil SP for one vehicle and turret type. i have 11.2 mil sp :( so i cant use a gunlogi OR my python recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7842	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:26:00 - [22] - Quote I can work with that, at least. Thank you Read / Vid / Stream
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 511	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:32:00 - [23] - Quote What about my Swarm Launcher respec, since you took the time to nerf that to competitive uselessness?
Thanatus Sleep 0	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:33:00 - [24] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: CCP taking the Vehicle Blueprint why? Do you see any vehicle BPOs on the list? I don't. Everything that is being removed from your inventory are items that are being removed from the game because vehicles are being radically changed. So was the cardiac stimulant skill, yet CCP have not removed the militia cardiac stimulant BPO. So what the point of removing a BPO that soon to be outdated. It not like it going to F up all the new crap CCP put in for the vehicles. *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 118	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:37:00 - [25] - Quote Would it not be easier to just to respec everyone completely. People with vehicle skills could potentially just respec into max skills of a new weapon causing a serious advantage to others who have just skilled into the new item. Anyone with vehicle skills now has the potential for a serious advantage over the rest of the people that do not.it could be an injection of sp to any skil not just vehicles. So for the good of dust kind respec us all.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 912	Posted - 2013.11.20 06:44:00 - [26] - Quote I hope everyone uses this respec wisely and doesn't immediately max out a vehicle before testing it out at standard. I wouldn't hold my breath for another one. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war. SoonGäó514
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2262	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:21:00 - [27] - Quote They also getting a x5 multiplier on their SP for all the inflation you've built into present and (the frightful future) SP cost for vehicles now?
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2262	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:23:00 - [28] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, Through the release of Uprising 1.7 we will be bringing major vehicle adjustments to DUST 514. Alongside balance and design changes, some currently existing vehicles, modules and turrets will be removed from the game. We've heard your questions and concerns regarding Skill and Item refunds and wished to address them comprehensively here. Vehicles that are planned for removal will be fully refunded to you in both ISK and AUR. Additionally, we will be performing a full vehicle skill tree respec (and skill book ISK refund) for anyone that has skill points invested into the Vehicle and Turret skill trees (Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades and Turret Operation). In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertain good, but what are vehicle prices in 1.7? btw how can we test any vehicle changes in 1.7 if there even bigger so sinks? Why test it, why even play it if that's how its gonna be?
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 508	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:39:00 - [29] - Quote fair enough you change vehicles so vehicle respec... what about us swarm users who have had a massive change to how they work and skills. why no respec for swarms Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 375	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:42:00 - [30] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: fair enough you change vehicles so vehicle respec... what about us swarm users who have had a massive change to how they work and skills. why no respec for swarms They work exactly the same. Lock on range is just reduced. Deal with it. (I am proto swarm used myself)

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4638	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:48:00 - [31] - Quote It's great that we're getting a vehicle respec - Too bad I don't have an Amarrian tank to dump the SP into. Never forget Level 4 Forum Warrior King of airborne swine.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 508	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:50:00 - [32] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: fair enough you change vehicles so vehicle respec... what about us swarm users who have had a massive change to how they work and skills. why no respec for swarms They work exactly the same. Lock on range is just reduced. Deal with it. (I am proto swarm used myself) range reduced by more than half and you say that they work exactly the same. lol you living in a dream world. swarms have not been the same since the last change and now they are going to be even worse. i was a massive swarm user until last patch and found that change bad enough. now they are going to be worse than ever before. there is likely a reason ccp has not given us this and that is because the majority would spec out of swarms leaving the new tanks to rampage. no weapon in this game has/is going to have such a drastic change as swarms. i sitting on 2mil wasted skill points. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Exmaple Core D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1593	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:54:00 - [33] - Quote hey.... were loosing money. Im looking at the scattered ion cannon, and were getting less than 300k refunded to us. The market charges us nearly a million isk. So... we losing more than 2 thirds of the isk we invested???
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:56:00 - [34] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: fair enough you change vehicles so vehicle respec... what about us swarm users who have had a massive change to how they work and skills. why no respec for swarms deal with it. and deal with nerfed ar, no forge gun for you recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 197	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:56:00 - [35] - Quote NoxMort3m wrote: Would it not be easier to just to respec everyone completely. People with vehicle skills could potentially just respec into max skills of a new weapon causing a serious advantage to others who have just skilled into the new item. Anyone with vehicle skills now has the potential for a serious advantage over the rest of the people that do not.it could be an injection of sp to any skil not just vehicles. So for the good of dust kind respec us all. Trust me, a LOT of players that are spec'ed into vehicles are going to change that sp over to dropsuits. an easy fix to Matchmaking
G Torq ALTA B2O 263	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:07:00 - [36] - Quote For unassigned items being removed, which character will receive the ISKies? Why are you even reading this?
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:09:00 - [37] - Quote G Torq wrote: For unassigned items being removed, which character will receive the ISKies? none, assign them now recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 463	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:13:00 - [38] - Quote how are we getting refunded ? I really don't like CCP messing in my inventory ... A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 465	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:39:00 - [39] - Quote well thats nice i might get back over 200k sp.
Orenji Jiji 289	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:43:00 - [40] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: CCP taking the Vehicle Blueprint why? Do you see any vehicle BPOs on the list? I don't. Everything that is being removed from your inventory are items that are being removed from the game because vehicles are being radically changed. So was the cardiac stimulant skill, yet CCP have not removed the militia cardiac stimulant BPO. So what the point of removing a BPO that soon to be outdated. It not like it going to F up all the new crap CCP put in for the vehicles. CCP is in war with DUST514 BPOs, so any reason is good enough. Even if those BPOs are no-skill, militia level c*ap. And yeah, got those yellow vials in my inventory too. Also I was angry about my Incubus, but now I guess I'm OK. Thanks CCP! SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, tank godmode, working NKs. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1283	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:09:00 - [41] - Quote Good to see CCP playing favorites! In what world is it fair that people after these changes get the option to skill out of vehicles, but not into them? Unless you stick to your often used "choices have consequences" frase and only allow refunded SP to be put back into vehicles this "respec" is not fair in any way. I feel sad for the dedicated Swarm Launcher (and other AV as well) users that will have their role radically nerfed without getting their SP refunded. They'll be shooting a paper gun more than anything else while CCP just gives them the middle finger. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1317	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:21:00 - [42] - Quote I don't see the mention of the saga II in the list was it omitted by mistake? Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:36:00 - [43] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Good to see CCP playing favorites! In what world is it fair that people after these changes get the option to skill out of vehicles, but not into them? Unless you stick to your often used "choices have consequences" frase and only allow refunded SP to be put back into vehicles this "respec" is not fair in any way. I feel sad for the dedicated Swarm Launcher (and other AV as well) users that will have their role radically nerfed without getting their SP refunded. They'll be shooting a paper gun more than anything else while CCP just gives them the middle finger. teamwork, not that hard recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Ninjanomyx Imperfect Bastards 437	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:58:00 - [44] - Quote Any Vehicle Main should get a Full Respec..... Some of us put SP into Dropsuits to compensate for the lack of "Fun" that Tanks are currently. With the new SP Sinks in place our Side-Spec to compensate for the Balancing Fail will set us back an eternity..... I propose Optional Full Respec via Support Ticket considering the circumstances.
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 1	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:34:00 - [45] - Quote If you're removing vehicle BPOs, are you going to be removing other BPOs in the future? Instead of giving AUR back, can I get SP? Omega Boosters? Getting AUR back for BPOs you guys take away isn't fair, imo.
Subject 36 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 6	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:04:00 - [46] - Quote Now if only the rest of us could get a respec :/ The Logi That Saves.
DeathwindRising Rogue Spades EoN. 126	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:19:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, Through the release of Uprising 1.7 we will be bringing major vehicle adjustments to DUST 514. Alongside balance and design changes, some currently existing vehicles, modules and turrets will be removed from the game. We've heard your questions and concerns regarding Skill and Item refunds and wished to address them comprehensively here. Vehicles that are planned for removal will be fully refunded to you in both ISK and AUR. Additionally, we will be performing a full vehicle skill tree respec (and skill book ISK refund) for anyone that has skill points invested into the Vehicle and Turret skill trees (Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades and Turret Operation). I bolded the important part. What i'd like you to understand now is that after 1.7 I will no longer be "Vehicle-optimized." Before we went to Uprising I was "Vehicle-optimized'. After it, the SP i had was only capable of getting to 50% of where I had been the day before. Now, I am again "Vehicle-optimized," but in order to stay optimized I'll 25.5 million SP (which i have), but my issue is that after I maxed out my vehicle skills i put my SP into the dropsuit tree since i had no skills left to train further. If i'm to stay "Vehicle-optimized' i'll need a respec of all my SP in both the vehicle and dropsuit skill trees. If you cant let me respec all my current dropsuit skills into the new vehicle skills, could you give me either maxed out vehicle skills and no respec? i dont want to grind another 12.5 million SP again just to get back to where i am today, or where i was before uprising. and what about the pilot suits? when will we get news about those?
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 1	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:20:00 - [48] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: R.I.P my beautiful little spamable all BPO LAV. For only 4 mil SP and $7.20 in cash you gave me many hours of good times in Death Race 514. It's for the greater good. You will not be forgotten. Post Edit: I hold no grudges at CCP. The Dev's are removing said modules from the game so I'm more than happy to get my AUR back. Which is the right thing to do. I will be mad if I can't use my Bloodwatch Saga and Ishukone Watch Saga BPOs anymore. I'll be even more mad if they take away the BPOs that I spent 150 dollars to get. I think we should get more than AUR back for something that never got depleted. What are we going to buy, AUR equipment that will be destroyed just the same as ISK items?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 979	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:25:00 - [49] - Quote OK, i'm f.... rich now "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 135	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:31:00 - [50] - Quote It's good to see these kinds of changes. One thing that still makes me a bit hesitant is the presence of so many skills which give no passive bonus whatsoever but are just "gives you access to STD at lvl 1, ADV at lvl 3 and Proto at lvl 5" kind. I remember a few devs even saying they were trying to move away from these kinds of skills and making them more useful, yet we seem to have come full circle and re-invented the vehicle skill tree with more of the same types of skills....

Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2535	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:47:00 - [51] - Quote I will become a very, very, VERY, VERY RICH BASTARD!!! If something I like more than getting a shitload of WP, is getting a shitload of ISK! <3 Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 894	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:00:00 - [52] - Quote Thank you very much, CCP Frame.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 894	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:08:00 - [53] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: hey.... were loosing money. Im looking at the scattered ion cannon, and were getting less than 300k refunded to us. The market charges us nearly a million isk. So... we losing more than 2 thirds of the isk we invested??? You might want to read the list again. From his post: 927560 ISK 80GJ Scattered Ion Cannon Where did you see the < 300K number?
Rusty Shallows 514	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:18:00 - [54] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: R.I.P my beautiful little spamable all BPO LAV. For only 4 mil SP and $7.20 in cash you gave me many hours of good times in Death Race 514. It's for the greater good. You will not be forgotten. Post Edit: I hold no grudges at CCP. The Dev's are removing said modules from the game so I'm more than happy to get my AUR back. Which is the right thing to do. I will be mad if I can't use my Bloodwatch Saga and Ishukone Watch Saga BPOs anymore. I'll be even more mad if they take away the BPOs that I spent 150 dollars to get. I think we should get more than AUR back for something that never got depleted. What are we going to buy, AUR equipment that will be destroyed just the same as ISK items? We'll both still be able to spam LAVs. In my case it won't be the +£ber LAV all free fit. People are not losing BPOs, they're getting AUR back for items being removed from the game. On December 10th there will no longer be any militia power diagnostics or militia passive damage resistance on the market for anyone. Our Veteran & Elite pack BPOs are safe. I can't imagine how the market value would be quantified since most of them have never had an AUR price to begin with. If I say my Ishukone Watch Saga BPO is worth 100k AUR and CCP says 23k AUR, who is right? Odds are pretty good our dust pack BPOs are here to stay much like the Tech II BPOs space-side. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k + SP for +0.05 m/s on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 895	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:21:00 - [55] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: -- snip -- leaving the new tanks to rampage. no weapon in this game has/is going to have such a drastic change as swarms. i sitting on 2mil wasted skill points. First to prevent you getting overrun by rampaging tanks, you can stand behind me with a repair tool while my heavy forge guns them to dust. A hive would be good as well, as I still have no equip slot. Second, you have a valid point and I do wonder why we don't get SP refunds when things change so drastically. My original understanding was that it happened in EVE but others have said CCP/Mothership will screw you there as well. Come to think of it, the constant Nerf Hammer being applied to Logi functions (and the AR) would mean that half the Mercs would be getting some amount of SP refunded every week or so. Which might be the very real reason. If they continue to do their famous Wang Ninja Nerf solutions while not refunding SP ... they could approach EA in their level of evil. Hopefully, they have a different goal in maid.
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 12	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:32:00 - [56] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: If you're removing vehicle BPOs, are you going to be removing other BPOs in the future? Instead of giving AUR back, can I get SP? Omega Boosters? Getting AUR back for BPOs you guys take away isn't fair, imo. Could be a legal question, you purchase a car from someone, that same person which sold you the car steals it... how would you feel about this? An example of Xbox Live, I got me a dlc for a game, M$ forgot to provide a code and they refunded me the cash I spent and allowed me to keep the games which i downloaded and the dlc at no extra cost, unbelievable but true . So therefore either CCP allow us to have real money back or to exchange the items for anything else we need in game. A sort of agreement. In the end we spent real money for virtual items like "dlc" and when you purchase a bpo it lasts forever, like a dlc , therefore if those which made the said "dlc" item remove it - you are indeed entitled to a full cash refund or both parties can reach a mutual agreement. NB CCP some of us spent real money to support your game , some of us spent real money to purchase and keep BPOs, either as a collection item or for the "FUTURE TM" open market. Therefore some of us EXPECT our real life money back OR we reach an Agreement. Peac3
JP Acuna WarLegendarios Amenaza Inminente 30	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:33:00 - [57] - Quote This means i'll get over 150.000.000 ISK !!!!!!! The best thing is that it's for stuff i never got to use. I only feel bad about my 25xPrometheus. I wanted to fly them someday
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:58:00 - [58] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If you're removing vehicle BPOs, are you going to be removing other BPOs in the future? Instead of giving AUR back, can I get SP? Omega Boosters? Getting AUR back for BPOs you guys take away isn't fair, imo. Could be a legal question, you purchase a car from someone, that same person which sold you the car steals it... how would you feel about this? An example of Xbox Live, I got me a dlc for a game, M$ forgot to provide a code and they refunded me the cash I spent and allowed me to keep the games which i downloaded and the dlc at no extra cost, unbelievable but true . So therefore either CCP allow us to have real money back or to exchange the items for anything else we need in game. A sort of agreement. In the end we spent real money for virtual items like "dlc" and when you purchase a bpo it lasts forever, like a dlc , therefore if those which made the said "dlc" item remove it - you are indeed entitled to a full cash refund or both parties can reach a mutual agreement. NB CCP some of us spent real money to support your game , some of us spent real money to purchase and keep BPOs, either as a collection item or for the "FUTURE TM" open market. Therefore some of us EXPECT our real life money back OR we reach an Agreement. Peac3 Maybe I read it wrong but I think they said you would get AUR refunded.
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 30	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:21:00 - [59] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If you're removing vehicle BPOs, are you going to be removing other BPOs in the future? Instead of giving AUR back, can I get SP? Omega Boosters? Getting AUR back for BPOs you guys take away isn't fair, imo. Could be a legal question, you purchase a car from someone, that same person which sold you the car steals it... how would you feel about this? An example of Xbox Live, I got me a dlc for a game, M$ forgot to provide a code and they refunded me the cash I spent and allowed me to keep the games which i downloaded and the dlc at no extra cost, unbelievable but true . So therefore either CCP allow us to have real money back or to exchange the items for anything else we need in game. A sort of agreement. In the end we spent real money for virtual items like "dlc" and when you purchase a bpo it lasts forever, like a dlc , therefore if those which made the said "dlc" item remove it - you are indeed entitled to a full cash refund or both parties can reach a mutual agreement. NB CCP some of us spent real money to support your game , some of us spent real money to purchase and keep BPOs, either as a collection item or for the "FUTURE TM" open market. Therefore some of us EXPECT our real life money back OR we reach an Agreement. Peac3 Maybe I read it wrong but I think they said you would get AUR refunded. AUR is not real money spent but purchased with real life money, which some of us used to purchase BPO items, read above as like "dlc" items which can not be taken away unless refunded with real money and not AUR. It's not about the small amount of money spent to purchase these items but the principle of the purchase and the way CCP handles the deal. They sell and then remove = basically theft cause if both parties do not agree on the type of refund then that refund would not be accepted by law. Like for example you give me your car and i pay you in jelly beans, but you want real cash not jelly beans, but i don't /care - now how could you possibly agree to something like this? Unless ofcourse you live on jelly beans which is totally another matter.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 401	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:30:00 - [60] - Quote If any other weapon were reduced to less than half of its effective range and 2/3rds of its damage, people would be up in arms in outrage. Yet people expect swarm users to just sit and take the nerf. Swarm users should get their SP refunded. Since there's such a huge change to swarms and vehicles, we should be allowed to use militia swarms and see whether they are even worthwhile to skill into when 1.7 is deployed.

jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:40:00 - [61] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: If any other weapon were reduced to less than half of its effective range and 2/3rds of its damage, people would be up in arms in outrage. Yet people expect swarm users to just sit and take the nerf. Swarm users should get their SP refunded. Since there's such a huge change to swarms and vehicles, we should be allowed to use militia swarms and see whether they are even worthwhile to skill into when 1.7 is deployed. thats like using MLT gear against full proto recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Lanius Pulvis Bojo's School of the Trades 62	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:03:00 - [62] - Quote Thank you for addressing this CCP, it answers a LOT of questions and concerns. I'm personally going to dump all that SP right back into Dropships, can't wait! Not new, just new to you.
S-0-A Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:09:00 - [63] - Quote I think CCP should start over with Unreal Engine 4 and make it on Ps4, the Unreal Engine 3 is holding the game back.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 404	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:12:00 - [64] - Quote Boy am I glad I did that stupid Mordu's Challenge a while back! Should get around 160mil ISK just from cashing in those rewards!
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 233	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:15:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, Vehicles: 1277600 ISK Falchion * AUR items are listed in bold for easier readability. So for anyone that got the 100 Falchions during the event a few months ago will be isk rich if they didn't use them.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1189	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:15:00 - [66] - Quote This is how you do it, CCP. This is how you get love. Way to do one right by your customers. <3 <3 <3 ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Shley Ashes TanksVeryMuch 75	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:17:00 - [67] - Quote "If you could use it before you can use it now," that is the Eve Online motto for skill changes I guess it's not the same in all New Eden Happy to get all the skillpoints out of my "Vehicle Optimised" character though I used to pilot HAV's then I took a forge gun to the knee My HAV channel,
TuFar Gon 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 47	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:25:00 - [68] - Quote Vehicle respec ( partial ) is good news. Never was against vehicle respec,,just against constant screams of respec by ground troops. Hopefully dropships r a little tougher too. Btw,,is the vehicle sp refund going to be automatic or is it upon request ( submit ticket?? )
Tank Missile Intara Direct Action Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:25:00 - [69] - Quote Just out of curiosity, are you ever planning to reinstate the modules that you are taking the BPOs of away? If so, could it be better just to take the BPOs away from us now, and give them back when you bring them back? I'm fine either way, I just don't understand why you chose to do it like this. "History is written by the victor-" Blah, blah blah, let's go shoot some stuff!
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:39:00 - [70] - Quote Well, I'm kind of torn. On one hand I am happy that my vehicle alt will get a full respec. On the other hand I was reeeeeeeeally hoping for a full respec. Leave it to CCP to muck everything up with this half-respec nonsense. As others have stated, I specced into other things when my vehicle skill tree was where I wanted it to be. Namely, the ... swarm launcher. facepalm Actually the only SP I spent out of vehicles was on proto swarms. Oh well. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1122	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:54:00 - [71] - Quote NoxMort3m wrote: Would it not be easier to just to respec everyone completely. People with vehicle skills could potentially just respec into max skills of a new weapon causing a serious advantage to others who have just skilled into the new item. Anyone with vehicle skills now has the potential for a serious advantage over the rest of the people that do not.it could be an injection of sp to any skil not just vehicles. So for the good of dust kind respec us all. No it wouldn't. I sure as hell don't want to spend 18 million SP again. Even if they spec into the FOTM now that would last for a month at max. Besides they are specced into vehicles. So most of them won't even know whats up with the infantry skills now.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 664	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:54:00 - [72] - Quote confused, people with vehicle skills will get a full respec or vehicle skill points will be returned to be reallocated. I have a nice missile maddy that I'd like to trade in for a nicer missile gunni but I don't have enough SP in vehicles to do it with the new tree. that is if I only get back what I have invested in vehicles, however if I could dip into the useless scout's sp sink I could afford it. your wording is a little vague, could you please clarify? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
ZeroNeo Ruza LATINOS KILLERS CORP Amenaza Inminente 3	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:55:00 - [73] - Quote good, good. Well I have a question, When added other vehicles? Minmatar and Amarr? and dropsuit heavy armor minmatar, caldari and gallente, and explorer amarr.?
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 446	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:59:00 - [74] - Quote Good work CCP, the Mango is pleased by your efforts. Given the recent flood of heartening new information, I'm certain the Mangrove will grow and flourish. - Fear the Mango - Fear its friends - Closed beta vet, Forum warrior prof. III
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2228	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:02:00 - [75] - Quote What will happen to those who have multiple BPOs from the time they were about 30aur? I'm not exactly in favour of seeing people receive tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of a currency everyone else has to pay for. No.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:25:00 - [76] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, Vehicles: 1277600 ISK Falchion * AUR items are listed in bold for easier readability. So for anyone that got the 100 Falchions during the event a few months ago will be isk rich if they didn't use them. Edit: Sana you beat me to it can i haz 10 mil? cuz i didn't hear about that event recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 77	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:03:00 - [77] - Quote Instructions please on what to do for the respec
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 236	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:59:00 - [78] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Thank you for this, CCP Frame. Will us pilots with a significant amount of SP into vehicles receive a full and total respec so we can go 100% into vehicles? I have a ton of SP into infantry at the moment, and it will be much better utilized towards vehicles. They can't do this. If pilots got their infantry SP back as well and dedicated infantry didn't, the (former) pilots would be able to put all their SP into an optimum infantry fitting. For instance, a 20mil SP pilot would be able to become an optimized 20mil SP FOTM infantryman, an option denied to a 20mil SP dedicated infantryman (who would have their points stuck in all sorts of currently non-competitive stuff). It would hardly be reasonable for people who put their SP into vehicles to acquire a decisive advantage as infantry. The only fair way to do this would be a full respec for every merc.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 236	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:06:00 - [79] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: confused, people with vehicle skills will get a full respec or vehicle skill points will be returned to be reallocated. I have a nice missile maddy that I'd like to trade in for a nicer missile gunni but I don't have enough SP in vehicles to do it with the new tree. that is if I only get back what I have invested in vehicles, however if I could dip into the useless scout's sp sink I could afford it. your wording is a little vague, could you please clarify? It's not vague at all: CCP wrote: we will be performing a full vehicle skill tree respec (and skill book ISK refund) for anyone that has skill points invested into the Vehicle and Turret skill trees (Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades and Turret Operation). Your scout skills are not in the vehicle tree, thus they will not be refunded.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 541	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:31:00 - [80] - Quote cool story bruh. SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED

PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 102	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:42:00 - [81] - Quote Yep, thanks CCP for shafting players again. Players who are dropping vehicle will spec into current competitive infantry gear. Avers(swarmers) will have wasted SP. The tank stomps will get worse since it will take 3 players to down a tank now. Annnd Lasers will once again suck.......
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 198	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:55:00 - [82] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: I have 3x Eryx, 100x Falchion, 25x Prometheus, 100x HT Linear Flux Stabilizer, 100x 80GJ Stabilized Neutron Blaster, and 5x Charybdis on my Item assignment screen when you log in to a character. So what happen If I don't assign the items to my character CCP? Will you/CCP refund Items on the assignment screen? Most likely CCP not going to read this post. Assign it to your account and you should get the money for it after uprising 1.7! DUH! Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 520	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:06:00 - [83] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: I have 3x Eryx, 100x Falchion, 25x Prometheus, 100x HT Linear Flux Stabilizer, 100x 80GJ Stabilized Neutron Blaster, and 5x Charybdis on my Item assignment screen when you log in to a character. So what happen If I don't assign the items to my character CCP? Will you/CCP refund Items on the assignment screen? Most likely CCP not going to read this post. Assign it to your account and you should get the money for it after uprising 1.7! DUH! I'm expecting that 5mil back too :) compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER Unkn0wn Killers 13	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:09:00 - [84] - Quote 1277600 ISK Falchion lol.... I have 140 ... from the event that gave 100 .. plus salvage ... looks like im a rich merc again .. & I already have 130 million isk .. :) not counting all my other vehicles.. I have logi lavs & scout lavs... i$k = all proto gear anyone ?! *WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY*
WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER Unkn0wn Killers 13	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:15:00 - [85] - Quote WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER wrote: 1277600 ISK Falchion lol.... I have 140 ... from the event that gave 100 .. plus salvage ... looks like im a rich merc again .. & I already have 130 million isk .. :) not counting all my other vehicles.. I have logi lavs & scout lavs... i$k = all proto gear anyone ?! Oh .. not counting the over 1.5 million sp that will be returned to me... that means .. the new weapons that r coming . which ever is better . I will have level 5 operation . and at least level 3 proficiency ... instantly ... hahahaha! *WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY*
WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER Unkn0wn Killers 13	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:16:00 - [86] - Quote now .. when is 1.7 ??????????????????????? *WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY*
Waruiko DUST G I A N T EoN. 139	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:12:00 - [87] - Quote I'd rather keep those militia BPOs as legacy trade items then get an AUR refund If blood and sweat don't teach them perhaps time will
Drunk Tanked KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:54:00 - [88] - Quote 100x Stabilized Neutron Blasters + 100x HT Linear Flux Stabilizers + 100x Falchion HAV's ALL From Mordu's Challenge 2 months ago = 135,552,000 ISK Thanks CCP! Since my tanking ALT doesn't need 135mil ISK, I'll be transferring most of that to my Main account when 1.7 hits!
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 57	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:10:00 - [89] - Quote WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER wrote: now .. when is 1.7 ??????????????????????? The dev blog said 10 December.
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 611	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:05:00 - [90] - Quote Drunk Tanked wrote: 100x Stabilized Neutron Blasters + 100x HT Linear Flux Stabilizers + 100x Falchion HAV's ALL From Mordu's Challenge 2 months ago = 135,552,000 ISK Thanks CCP! Since my tanking ALT doesn't need 135mil ISK, I'll be transferring most of that to my Main account when 1.7 hits! God Bless your Math "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 2	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:25:00 - [91] - Quote So far, I am not liking 1.7. I guess the only thing that will redeem it will be what dropsuits/weapons are released.
Seeth Mensch highland marines 58	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:34:00 - [92] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: [quote=ADAM-OF-EVE] -- snip -- If they continue to do their famous Wang Ninja Nerf solutions while not refunding SP ... they could approach EA in their level of evil. Hopefully, they have a different goal in maid. lawls Hey, when I talked about this stuff in a different thread, it was HTFU. Now, legions of Sp demanders come striding forth. I say, give'm the SP back for their precious swarms and AV 'nades. I'll scrape them off my eventual bumper later. Things change hard in this game. I think I understand the complaint, but there's a huge difference in a single weapon (swarms, you get a lot more speccing in the 'nades tree than just AV) and vehicle trees. I'm losing my go-to ADS. I loved flying. Now I'm stuck on the ground. Sad. But I'll wait....for a while. CCP is pounding out this beta as fast as they can, though I suspect they may do better with a somewhat more incremental approach instead of a series every month. Just me, though. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1281	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:56:00 - [93] - Quote you guys are a bunch of effing liars... ccp, you said you wouldn't touch our bpo's there had better be a full refund for them or you all can kiss my business good-bye. and I'm not talking AUR... at 23 mil sp wtf do you have for me to buy with AUR? boosters? pfffft! insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Ninjanomyx Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 440	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:02:00 - [94] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Good to see CCP playing favorites! In what world is it fair that people after these changes get the option to skill out of vehicles, but not into them? Unless you stick to your often used "choices have consequences" frase and only allow refunded SP to be put back into vehicles this "respec" is not fair in any way. I feel sad for the dedicated Swarm Launcher (and other AV as well) users that will have their role radically nerfed without getting their SP refunded. They'll be shooting a paper gun more than anything else while CCP just gives them the middle finger. I'm giving the middle finger to Swarms right now as we speak. If a Swarmer can't kill a Tank now.....they never will. Get Gud With that said.......I agree with your Post 100%. Doubly so since my additive to this argument coincides. Some of us Tankers unintentionally Spec'd into Dropsuits to compensate for being punished for doing anything but "Boots on the Ground". New SP Sink makes undesirable Class that gave me Stockholm Syndrome even less desirable, but alas I shall remain since nobody else will brave the storm of Alpha Testing again for CCP. That &.....Pilot Suit bro, Pilot.....Suit.....
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 164	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:42:00 - [95] - Quote Hold a sign and chants: HELLLLLLL NO, LEAVE OUR BPO'S ALONE A Shitstorm is coming...........
Denchlad 7 Heavy Reign inc. Freek Alliance 15	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:49:00 - [96] - Quote ...so ADS aren't being removed? Crumbs. Oh well. Get enough isk and SP back that I may consider using them seriously this time. Or finally get some new gear. Ah well. And RIP my cuddley Callisto. Though you were absolutely useless I will miss your inconvenience and blueness sheds a tear. -Flaylock Specialist. I even dual-wield it still. (GîÉGûá_Gûá) -Likes ramming a HMG up Gallentes rear end. -Pain in the arse
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2431	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:02:00 - [97] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: I'd rather keep those militia BPOs as legacy trade items then get an AUR refund CCP do this. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4200	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:16:00 - [98] - Quote Why not just refund all vehicles, I don't see why I'm going to need those Madrugars, seems like there will be no new racial vehicles introduced so why not let me spec out of Amour tanks and into shield tanks? Oh wait I cant because I don't have the ISK because CCP wont refund STD tanks like Gunlogis and Maddies. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 312	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:00:00 - [99] - Quote Personally, I'm thrilled. I made a lot of dumb choices, so I'm more than happy to get those points back.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 10	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:00:00 - [100] - Quote NoxMort3m wrote: Would it not be easier to just to respec everyone completely. People with vehicle skills could potentially just respec into max skills of a new weapon causing a serious advantage to others who have just skilled into the new item. Anyone with vehicle skills now has the potential for a serious advantage over the rest of the people that do not.it could be an injection of sp to any skil not just vehicles. So for the good of dust kind respec us all. Message from Godin: 1: Infantry scrubs don't deserve one 2: This is our reward for having to put up with your scrubby **** for months on end. Time for payback

Lorhak Gannarsein 618	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:30:00 - [101] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Why not just refund all vehicles, I don't see why I'm going to need those Madrugars, seems like there will be no new racial vehicles introduced so why not let me spec out of Amour tanks and into shield tanks? Oh wait I cant because I don't have the ISK because CCP wont refund STD tanks like Gunlogis and Maddies. /le me is 120M ISK richer (which is another way of saying I have now got 122M ISK XD)
bundie bitches RARE850 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:55:00 - [102] - Quote i am glad they are giving respec for vehicles and not swarm launchers. its called learn how to use it, people were getting bpo vehicles never getting out to fight ( go put on a skirt ) and if they lost one it didnt matter because they weren't out anything. my only question to ccp is, Are you guys going to do anything about the minmatar basic proto suit and the assault proto because everything is the same on them with a minor tweak in the pg and cpu and truthfully they should be different
Koan Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 39	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:09:00 - [103] - Quote so this is what the people are complaining about in the g/d. I was thinking they were just taking all the bpo's out or something. I mean, I dont mind paying the extra 3 k on my primary suit but i really like the green and grey camo on my valor...would hate to see it go. My primary kit would go from 9.5 k to 12.5 ....bfd. It will also making stealing vehicles much more rewarding. Cause honestly people were using the bpo vehicles to cart their heavies around with no risk due to insane damage resist we could put into the logi lav's. I know, I made a character specifically to pilot them. A shame people didnt use them for much else and their getting rebalanced. Well, if the light turrets get a fix and they get put back in maybe they will be a viable fast attack vehicle. I know very few people that can hit a target while were moving even with that 200k missile magnet that is my 20gj ion cannon x.x Two in the head boss? Two in the head...
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 254	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:14:00 - [104] - Quote Reading between the lines: CCP Frame wrote: we will be performing a full vehicle skill tree respec (and skill book ISK refund) for anyone that has skill points invested into the Vehicle and Turret skill trees (Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades and Turret Operation). This is to allow vehicle users the choice between fully specing vehicles (if they're OP) or fully specing the new rifles (if they're OP). We are arbitrarily denying this option to current infantry (90%+ of the playerbase), who can go **** themselves.
Rami Hamilo Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 2	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:43:00 - [105] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: you guys are a bunch of effing liars... ccp, you said you wouldn't touch our bpo's there had better be a full refund for them or you all can kiss my business good-bye. and I'm not talking AUR... at 23 mil sp wtf do you have for me to buy with AUR? boosters? pfffft! What he said. I'm almost at 21million SP. I'm not about to buy boosters unless you put Omega boosters back on the market. I guess I'll just have 16k AUR that will sit there and do nothing. All I can say is if you youch our Merc/Vet/Elite/Special BPOs, you will screw yourself out of a LOT of players.
Ninjanomyx Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 441	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:25:00 - [106] - Quote I'm sure glad CCP F**KED me out of the 100 Falchions by not informing correctly the conditions required for some of the Challenges.....& not having a Stat Tracker..... I assured myself that after each Checklist I accomplished I'd be set. I even went so far as to do 10 extra of each...& still I got shafted. Now all those broke asses who can't last a Match in their Tank get more ISK than me (910 Mil hard earned......) for getting "Lucky" in a matter of notime flat..... WTF ever.....I'll still force you Nubs to go broke
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1726	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:18:00 - [107] - Quote Its nice that vehicles users do get a skill respec but we still have a problem and thats not including the massive SP sink you have created With the SL changes many want to get out of them, if the FG changes some may want out of FG aswell and also out of the fat suit Myself im skilled into lolswarms and also in FG with the fat suit With my SP i can skill straight into infantry gear and max it out easily, but someone who wants to get into tanks and out of AV/infantry cannot do that
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 96	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:37:00 - [108] - Quote HELL NO!! NO REMOVAL OF BPOS!!! I STUCK WITH THIS GAME THROUGH ALL THE BS, MISSING SKILLPOINTS, UNNECESSARY NERFS!! YOUR NOT TAKING THEM AWAY! ALL THE CRAP I HAD TO PUT UP WITH STICKING WITH YOU FROM BETA TO NOW YOUR NOT TAKING THESE AWAY.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 96	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:40:00 - [109] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I With the SL changes many want to get out of them, if the FG changes some may want out of FG aswell and also out of the fat suit Look at my KD since the forge changes.. Seriously they changes this game into a medium suit gang bang with us heavy suites getting the BOOT.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 423	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:04:00 - [110] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I With the SL changes many want to get out of them, if the FG changes some may want out of FG aswell and also out of the fat suit Look at my KD since the forge changes.. Seriously they changes this game into a medium suit gang bang with us heavy suites getting the BOOT. At least they didn't reduce the forge gun range by more than half, and the damage by one third.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1729	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:03:00 - [111] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I With the SL changes many want to get out of them, if the FG changes some may want out of FG aswell and also out of the fat suit Look at my KD since the forge changes.. Seriously they changes this game into a medium suit gang bang with us heavy suites getting the BOOT. At least they didn't reduce the forge gun range by more than half, and the damage by one third. Yet to see what they do with the FG
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5224	Posted - 2013.11.21 19:55:00 - [112] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: HELL NO!! NO REMOVAL OF BPOS!!! I STUCK WITH THIS GAME THROUGH ALL THE BS, MISSING SKILLPOINTS, UNNECESSARY NERFS!! YOUR NOT TAKING THEM AWAY! ALL THE CRAP I HAD TO PUT UP WITH STICKING WITH YOU FROM BETA TO NOW YOUR NOT TAKING THESE AWAY. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread I'm leaving this here for your reading pleasure. Also, please answer the question presented in that thread. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 127	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:15:00 - [113] - Quote Did some math. I will receive, if my calculations are correct, 14541955 ISK and 2195090 SP, back. Like I said before, Rail Rifle, here I come. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Croned Dem Durrty Boyz 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:53:00 - [114] - Quote Are we getting the ISK back of vehicle items currently in our inventory, or are we getting the ISK back from all vehicle items purchased since Uprising (like the ISK refund we got upon transitioning out of Beta)? Son of a plasma cannon!
Nocturis Mortus Immortal Guides 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:14:00 - [115] - Quote I am a vehicle pilot myself and seeing that most of my points will be unallocated I can't help but ask if it hasn't been already. Is it very fair that vehicle pilots are going to have a ton of unallocated SP to put wherever they please now, but people who do not will be stuck with their choices? Gladly I am focused in HaVs, but I think that it should just be a full optional respect for anyone who requests it like before. Partial respecs only gives the advantage to the people getting them. That just isn't very fair to anyone else.
Senator Snipe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 69	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:29:00 - [116] - Quote So 1.7 is mainly focusing on vehicles? bummer The Deadliest forge gunner in Dust 514
Rusty Shallows 522	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:53:00 - [117] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, snip In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints. Below is the list of vehicles, modules and turrets that will be removed and fully refunded on Uprising 1.7GÇÖs deployment, along with Skills and their current prices: Modules: snip 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint snip Someone pointed out to me that the militia modules may be reintroduced later. If true then I do not want an AUR refund and will wait however many months or years it may take to get the BPOs back. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k+ SP for +0.05m/s (>2in) on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
Hunter Junko Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 215	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:22:00 - [118] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0f8LqL1RQc&feature=youtu.be&t=17s
Lorhak Gannarsein 626	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:45:00 - [119] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, snip In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints. Below is the list of vehicles, modules and turrets that will be removed and fully refunded on Uprising 1.7GÇÖs deployment, along with Skills and their current prices: Modules: snip 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint snip Someone pointed out to me that the militia modules may be reintroduced later. If true then I do not want an AUR refund and will wait however many months or years it may take to get the BPOs back. They will be reintroduced. They will be different modules. Those modules will no longer exist. A passive Shield Resistance module will no longer exist, ergo, CCP are removing them.
toasterwaffles THE IMMORTAL L3GI0N 9	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:11:00 - [120] - Quote Will we be keeping our blood raider sagas? Just to be sure

Rusty Shallows 535	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:19:00 - [121] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Vehicle-optimized mercs, snip In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints. Below is the list of vehicles, modules and turrets that will be removed and fully refunded on Uprising 1.7GÇÖs deployment, along with Skills and their current prices: Modules: snip 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint snip Someone pointed out to me that the militia modules may be reintroduced later. If true then I do not want an AUR refund and will wait however many months or years it may take to get the BPOs back. They will be reintroduced. They will be different modules. Those modules will no longer exist. A passive Shield Resistance module will no longer exist, ergo, CCP are removing them. Stat changes do not matter. If a Militia Power Diagnostic is brought back into the game then I want my BPO they sold me. Not a poor excuse of a bait-n-switch con job. As long as they do not reintroduce the Militia variants then all is okay. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k+ SP for +0.05m/s (>2in) on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
toasterwaffles THE IMMORTAL L3GI0N 9	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:36:00 - [122] - Quote When is uprising 1.7 going to launch
Shaze 'Jazz' Sovatsor Dust2Dust. Top Men. 61	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:54:00 - [123] - Quote toasterwaffles wrote: When is uprising 1.7 going to launch 10th of December. It says so in the latest Dev blog. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7-1/ D2D. Because double D is better.
toasterwaffles THE IMMORTAL L3GI0N 9	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:18:00 - [124] - Quote Shaze 'Jazz' Sovatsor wrote: toasterwaffles wrote: When is uprising 1.7 going to launch 10th of December. It says so in the latest Dev blog. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7-1/ Thanks
dreth longbow Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.11.22 19:52:00 - [125] - Quote I think it is great that CCP is giving us back our ISK and AUR for the BPO's that they are removing and not bringing back, BUT They knew they were doing this before they were taking the BPO's off the market and they let people spend their AUR on BPO's knowing that then they would get their AUR back and spend it on NON-BPO's like boosters. What people do not realize is that this was a way to bleed off AUR from BPO's like suits and milita that were staying in the game. For example: I made decisions on what to purchase with my AUR based on what I use and what would give me the most return for the AUR spent. Some went to suits and milita and some went to designing my saga and meth so that they would be an effective fighting vehicle and the saga would be totally free of ISK with the added bonus that I could use them for learning to tank and fly and and the Meth would be greatly reduced in ISK cost. If I would have known that ccp was going to remove the vehicle BPO's I would have spent my AUR on purchasing things that would not be available once the BPO's were removed. This was a deliberate plan on CCP's part to ensure people had AUR to spend on boosters and non-BPO equipment after 1.7, the community needs to stop thinking that CCP are a bunch of idiots that don't think things through, they have years of experience in EVE on how to manipulate their customer base and maximize their profits through the use of misinformation.
Thanatus Sleep 17	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:33:00 - [126] - Quote Info if you don't know about BPO Only buy with Money (Only Out Of Game Promotions Packs) 'Dren' scout G-1 'Dren' Assault C-1 'Dren' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Sentinel A-1 'Covenant' Assault C-1 'Dragonfly' Assault {nSv} 'Templar' Assault A-1 'Templar' Logistics A-1 'Templar' Sentinel A-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle 'Dren' Swarm Launcher 'Dren' Shotgun 'Dren' Scrambler Pistol 'Exile' Assault Rifle (Was Once Limited Time In-Game Event Only) 'Toxin' Assault Rifle 'Covenant' Sniper Rifle 'Daemon' Shotgun 'Templar' Laser Rifle 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle 'Templar' Scrambler Pistol 'Templar' Drop Uplink Guristas Sage Blood Raiders Sage Ishukone Watch Sage Only buy with AUR (Only In Game Market) 'Eon' militia amarr heavy frame 'Fossil' militia minmatar medium frame 'Primordial' militia caldari medium frame 'Thale' militia gallente light frame Militia Drop Uplink Blueprint Militia Nanite Injector Blueprint Militia Nanohive Blueprint Militia Repair Tool Blueprint Militia Armor Plates Blueprint Militia Armor Repairer Blueprint Militia CPU Upgrade Blueprint Militia PG Upgrade Blueprint Militia Profile Dampener Blueprint Militia Codebreaker Blueprint Militia Cardiac Regulator Blueprint Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Blueprint Militia Myofibril Stimulant Blueprint Militia Cardiac Stimulant Blueprint (Only sold in Beta) Militia Light Damage Modifier Blueprint Militia Sidearm Damage Modifier Blueprint Militia Heavy Damage Modifier Blueprint Militia Shield Regulator Blueprint Militia Shield Extender Blueprint Militia Shield Recharger Blueprint ~~Mobile CRU~~ (BPO Remove, Now BPC) Militia 60mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint Militia 120mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Heavy Armor Repair Unit Blueprint Militia Armor Repair Unit Blueprint Militia CPU Enhancer Blueprint Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Powergrid Expansion Unit Blueprint Militia Heavy Shield Extender Blueprint Militia Shield Booster Blueprint Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Assault Rifle Blueprint Militia Locus Grenade Blueprint Militia Scrambler Pistol Blueprint Militia Shotgun Blueprint Militia Sniper Rifle Blueprint Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint Can be bought with Money and AUR (In Game Market and Out Of Game Promotions Pack / Limited Time Promotions Pack) 'Dragonfly' scout {nSv} 'Valor' scout G-1 'Raven' Assault C-1 'Sever' Logistics M-1 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun Can't be bought with Money or AUR (Only In Game Promotions & Activities / Limited Time Event) 'Skinweave' militia minmatar medium frame 'Skinweave' militia gallente light frame 'Skinweave' militia caldari medium frame 'Skinweave' militia amarr heavy frame ~~Black Ops LAV Angel Cartel Saga~~ (remove and replace Guristas Saga, so I was told) Recruit militia frame Staff Recruiter militia frame Senior Recruiter Assault C-I Master Recruiter Assault C-II Recruit Submachine Gun Recruit Assault Rifle Staff Recruiter Assault Rifle Staff Recruiter Laser Rifle Staff Recruiter Sniper Rifle Staff Recruiter Scrambler Pistol Senior Recruiter Light Assault Vehicle Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle (LOLAY) *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg SAY YES TO BPO REMOVALS ON 1.7 PATCH
Templar 10 Pink Fluffy Space Bunnies 22	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:28:00 - [127] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: Hin Raven wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If you're removing vehicle BPOs, are you going to be removing other BPOs in the future? Instead of giving AUR back, can I get SP? Omega Boosters? Getting AUR back for BPOs you guys take away isn't fair, imo. Could be a legal question, you purchase a car from someone, that same person which sold you the car steals it... how would you feel about this? An example of Xbox Live, I got me a dlc for a game, M$ forgot to provide a code and they refunded me the cash I spent and allowed me to keep the games which i downloaded and the dlc at no extra cost, unbelievable but true . So therefore either CCP allow us to have real money back or to exchange the items for anything else we need in game. A sort of agreement. In the end we spent real money for virtual items like "dlc" and when you purchase a bpo it lasts forever, like a dlc , therefore if those which made the said "dlc" item remove it - you are indeed entitled to a full cash refund or both parties can reach a mutual agreement. NB CCP some of us spent real money to support your game , some of us spent real money to purchase and keep BPOs, either as a collection item or for the "FUTURE TM" open market. Therefore some of us EXPECT our real life money back OR we reach an Agreement. Peac3 Maybe I read it wrong but I think they said you would get AUR refunded. AUR is not real money spent but purchased with real life money, which some of us used to purchase BPO items, read above as like "dlc" items which can not be taken away unless refunded with real money and not AUR. It's not about the small amount of money spent to purchase these items but the principle of the purchase and the way CCP handles the deal. They sell and then remove = basically theft cause if both parties do not agree on the type of refund then that refund would not be accepted by law. Like for example you give me your car and i pay you in jelly beans, but you want real cash not jelly beans, but i don't /care - now how could you possibly agree to something like this? Unless ofcourse you live on jelly beans which is totally another matter. U sir have no grasp on law with ur example if u had said "you bought a car on hire purchase made all payments and then later the hp company decided to reneg on there part of the contract and took the car back you would have a claim in small claims court" how ever when we bought these bpo's no where does it say life time in the t's & c's also I don't care coz ur effectively playing a free game they could make it p2p would u cry if they did that I wouldn't ur getting a refund regardless u possibly bought the bpo's for 40 aur like me and getting 4000+ back not a bad profit in my eyes
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 82	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:12:00 - [128] - Quote A full respec for everyone will be fair, since the vehicle/av/weapon changes make either more appealing to use this or that to different people. Whoever did not specc'd into vehicles is suffering from not being able to spend their SP into it, they should have the chance... BUT what happened with the "decisions matter" line, CCP keeps changing stuff how on New Eden are we supposed to make a rational choice over the path we would like to play. DECISIONS MATTER ... MY BAWLS I refuse to accept that respec , my mercenary already learned and mastered vehicles. It does not need further instruction on inferior technology
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 251	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:31:00 - [129] - Quote Like I said before in other threads. It would be different is the people getting the SP back were only allowed to spend it back into the vehicle trees. But, since they will be able to spend those points anywhere they want it gives them the atvantage over the rest of the community. I personally have 99% of my SP right where I want it to be. But, an Optional Full Respec for all players should be implemented. New Dropsuits, Modules, and Vehicles don't require respecing. But, massive changes do in my opinion. You can't just give that option to a select few. You are not being fair to your community that way. Since there is no way for you to force people to spend those point back into vehicles (Which would be an acceptable option to me.) you should afford others to replace their SP where they might want to as well. Military Director, Dust University "I am a product of my own perception, I only exist because I allow myself to."
dreth longbow Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:29:00 - [130] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: Info if you don't know about BPO Only buy with Money (Only Out Of Game Promotions Packs) 'Dren' scout G-1 'Dren' Assault C-1 'Dren' Logistics M-1 'Dren' Sentinel A-1 'Covenant' Assault C-1 'Dragonfly' Assault {nSv} 'Templar' Assault A-1 'Templar' Logistics A-1 'Templar' Sentinel A-1 'Dren' Assault Rifle 'Dren' Swarm Launcher 'Dren' Shotgun 'Dren' Scrambler Pistol 'Exile' Assault Rifle (Was Once Limited Time In-Game Event Only) 'Toxin' Assault Rifle 'Covenant' Sniper Rifle 'Daemon' Shotgun 'Templar' Laser Rifle 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle 'Templar' Scrambler Pistol 'Templar' Drop Uplink Guristas Sage Blood Raiders Sage Ishukone Watch Sage Only buy with AUR (Only In Game Market) 'Eon' militia amarr heavy frame 'Fossil' militia minmatar medium frame 'Primordial' militia caldari medium frame 'Thale' militia gallente light frame Militia Drop Uplink Blueprint Militia Nanite Injector Blueprint Militia Nanohive Blueprint Militia Repair Tool Blueprint Militia Armor Plates Blueprint Militia Armor Repairer Blueprint Militia CPU Upgrade Blueprint Militia PG Upgrade Blueprint Militia Profile Dampener Blueprint Militia Codebreaker Blueprint Militia Cardiac Regulator Blueprint Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Blueprint Militia Myofibril Stimulant Blueprint Militia Cardiac Stimulant Blueprint (Only sold in Beta) Militia Light Damage Modifier Blueprint Militia Sidearm Damage Modifier Blueprint Militia Heavy Damage Modifier Blueprint Militia Shield Regulator Blueprint Militia Shield Extender Blueprint Militia Shield Recharger Blueprint ~~Mobile CRU~~ (BPO Remove, Now BPC) Militia 60mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint Militia 120mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Heavy Armor Repair Unit Blueprint Militia Armor Repair Unit Blueprint Militia CPU Enhancer Blueprint Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Powergrid Expansion Unit Blueprint Militia Heavy Shield Extender Blueprint Militia Shield Booster Blueprint Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier (Soon to be remove in 1.7) Militia Assault Rifle Blueprint Militia Locus Grenade Blueprint Militia Scrambler Pistol Blueprint Militia Shotgun Blueprint Militia Sniper Rifle Blueprint Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint Can be bought with Money and AUR (In Game Market and Out Of Game Promotions Pack / Limited Time Promotions Pack) 'Dragonfly' scout {nSv} 'Valor' scout G-1 'Raven' Assault C-1 'Sever' Logistics M-1 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun Can't be bought with Money or AUR (Only In Game Promotions & Activities / Limited Time Event) 'Skinweave' militia minmatar medium frame 'Skinweave' militia gallente light frame 'Skinweave' militia caldari medium frame 'Skinweave' militia amarr heavy frame ~~Black Ops LAV Angel Cartel Saga~~ (remove and replace Guristas Saga, so I was told) Recruit militia frame Staff Recruiter militia frame Senior Recruiter Assault C-I Master Recruiter Assault C-II Recruit Submachine Gun Recruit Assault Rifle Staff Recruiter Assault Rifle Staff Recruiter Laser Rifle Staff Recruiter Sniper Rifle Staff Recruiter Scrambler Pistol Senior Recruiter Light Assault Vehicle Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle (LOLAY. Only For Great Beta Player To Know Of.) Old, Old, Old Beta FREE BPO Testing Only / Spamming. Days of E3. (Most Of It Is No Longer In Game/Did Not Get To Keep) (When Starter Fit Was also BPO) Soma Blueprint Sica Blueprint Gorgon Blueprint Viper Blueprint Onikuma Blueprint Baloch Blueprint and 4 Starter Suit and Militia Weapons(AR,SMG,SL,SP,SR)/Equipment(NanoH,DL,NI) BPO Thanks for the info +1

Iviin'yc Skirata R 0 N 1 N 6	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:55:00 - [131] - Quote me like.
ThePlayerkyle13 D3LTA ACADEMY 19	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:00:00 - [132] - Quote So I guess it's Vehicle Respec only & not Full Respec. Oh well, it's kinda disappointing to me...
SKOTTY Hellm Valor Company Freedom Fighters 0	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:49:00 - [133] - Quote More Bait and Switch. I invested Heavily in your "Free to Play." Now I'm NOT Going to Want To PLAY. You Nerf My weapons And LAV's and Expect Us to Stay Loyal....I knew the BPO's would eventually be Removed from our Inventories because You Think Us All Suckers. Vehicles First, Precedence Set. I PURCHASED SPECIFIC GEAR FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES. YOUR HALF ARSED REFUND AND PONZI SCHEME IS SICKENING. There, it was BOLD so You can See it Clearly.....Keep Stabbing Us in the Back while Shooting Yourselves in the Collective Foot. Curse All who Say " Quit Bitching " Etc. Etc. Etc. Getting a P$4 with the Cash that would've went to CCP...Think about that Dev's, No Super Sizing your Hoppy Meal at My Expense...
Clyffton Donovan Fallen Angels Syndicate 27	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:10:00 - [134] - Quote Clear something up for me guys. This is only for vehicle BPO's Correct? If it isn't, I can't find any information on it? Thanks Founder, Fallen Angels Syndicate Fight. Win. Die.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:39:00 - [135] - Quote what about items and bpos with no aur value and were bought 4 100$ like the dren gear i have i might be a very sad ps3 owner come a month or 2 ps4 came out driveclub and planet side look good..... when dust was in beta i always had hopes this game would become better than planet side.....when i 1st came to dust i thought it was going to be a 48 person shooter on ps3 i still very much like playing dust but it has so far dissapointed me more than anyother game i do very much so hope it has a bright future..... it really needs an overhual tho if its to stay alive... lets hope that thats what ccp is trying to do here Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
the shadow dragon Axis of Chaos 0	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:38:00 - [136] - Quote the only problem I see in 1.7 is the forge guns its still over powered and forge guns are not vehicle balance in 1.7 so why nerf swarms?.
Some Alaskan Dust2Dust. Top Men. 18	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:56:00 - [137] - Quote Is it safe to say that My Golden Lav will stick with me?
Kh405 L19th Die Steppenwolfe 4	Posted - 2013.11.25 10:08:00 - [138] - Quote I already posted this on another thread about a full respec, but here I go again as I do think this is an important issue: Well, I'm one more who isn't happy with only a partial respec (and just for those who had the fortune to invest in the vehicle skill tree) even though it would give me a nice 230k SP. Usually, I would deal with the idea of holding "worthless" skills and move on, as I have the idea that maybe in the future I could get some use from those skills I'm no longer using because I love being a Jack of all trades. But I think there is a real issue in here: currently, people are more used to the gameplay and all the changes that it has gone through, so now I'm feeling as if I was deliberately deceived to believe that I have to learn from my choices and make the best out of them while others will be able to "go back in time" and undo their choices with the advantage of having all this new awareness about all the changes that have been and will be done. I think it's just not fair. It's like playing a board game knowing half of the rules while other contestants know the whole set of rules. I love this game and have supported it by spending around $300 USD so that I can see improvements THAT ALL CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE FROM, which obviously includes me. Why should only some "privileged" people that had the luck to choose "wrongly well" in their skills be the ones who will get the chance to make the best out of these changes? I think that the time for a second FULL respec has come and it should be done by default, without the need of summiting a ticket, just like when the game was finally released, I mean if someone is happy with all of their choices they just need to use their SP in the same way they did, it's no issue at all. CCP, do things right and equal for everyone!!!
Senator Snipe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 70	Posted - 2013.11.25 11:16:00 - [139] - Quote so we will get aur reimbursement for all the times we spent aur on the AI-102 madrugar? The Deadliest forge gunner in Dust 514
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 22	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:17:00 - [140] - Quote if you touch my blueprints, i will chop your hand off.

Mr m4gic Cha0s Theory 38	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:57:00 - [141] - Quote can I get my LAV skill points back plz, the rest is all good I want to put my points into my turrets. Have you seen my baseball??
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:50:00 - [142] - Quote I started a thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123398&find=unread But I figured I should also post here. CCP Please consider refunding isk for all normal, still going to be available, vehicle modules. Some of us purchased a stock of items to fit vehicles as they are now or for vehicles that are being taken away. For instance, if you're forcing me to give up a stock of a dozen LLAVs, it is only fair you refund me for all the mods I bought for them, too. I may not want to, or even be able to, use them on anything that is left. I don't think that a mass refund like this would be warrented every time you make a little change but this is a rather large one, with special circumstances. If you just refunded all of the vehicle mods that can be repurchased from the market, then everyone could get exactly what they need for the new vehicles in your system. Thanks for your consideration.
LittleCuteBunny 230	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:19:00 - [143] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Like I said before in other threads. It would be different is the people getting the SP back were only allowed to spend it back into the vehicle trees. But, since they will be able to spend those points anywhere they want it gives them the atvantage over the rest of the community. I personally have 99% of my SP right where I want it to be. But, an Optional Full Respec for all players should be implemented. New Dropsuits, Modules, and Vehicles don't require respecing. But, massive changes do in my opinion. You can't just give that option to a select few. You are not being fair to your community that way. Since there is no way for you to force people to spend those point back into vehicles (Which would be an acceptable option to me.) you should afford others to replace their SP where they might want to as well. An optional respec takes too much time to implement, it will be less time consuming to do a wide respec for every character. not like it takes more than a couple of minutes to put everything where it used to be if a player does not want it
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 908	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:19:00 - [144] - Quote Anarchide wrote: I will become a very, very, VERY, VERY RICH BASTARD!!! If something I like more than getting a shitload of WP, is getting a shitload of ISK! Is this a surprise? Oh, you mean the Rich part.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 48	Posted - 2013.11.28 21:54:00 - [145] - Quote I'm not even trying to make heads or tails of what is, or isn't fair. I will be ready for whatever comes. However you best believe I'm going to be cruising around these next 2 weeks in as many Scout LAVs as I can muster. I only recently discovered how outrageously fun they are to drive...
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 834	Posted - 2013.11.29 11:21:00 - [146] - Quote Do they have all racial vehicles? Does that mean a second respec when the other vehicles come out?
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 601	Posted - 2013.11.30 02:01:00 - [147] - Quote CCP whats gonna happen with the saga II lav's? SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 0	Posted - 2013.11.30 08:33:00 - [148] - Quote Takes a moment to quench his thirst in the pool of tears. Ok first, dropsuit whiners; shove off. A lot of us will blindly pump our SP right back into vehicles in the hopes that they really ARE better, that maybe the future is bright. that's gonna be your guys with 15+ mil SP into vehicles. I myself have spent into footwork lately, but only so I can grind better tank money. Yeah, a few guys are gonna pump it all into suits and weaps. But who? The guys with maybe a mil in who didn't like em? bfd Or better yet, with all the smacktalk from ground troops can ya blame the ones that do go duv and stick it in your intake? Nope. Oh and SL guys I didn't forget you, suck it up. You spent 1/256 what we spent.. oh you got nades and hives too? Ok.. 3/256.. You want to pop a 20 mil sp tank? Bring a friend. Or a sack lunch. Or both. Now, armored (and shielded) troops listen up. Anyone else go V V V V V V V and find themselves craving so much more? I love the blue on the SLAV but its a piece of junk. I'm just guessing this is supposed to be the future (could be lucaslogik) but modern tanks will hop up to 60mph no prob, and take 2 rpg to the same plate before folding. Hmmm. So its an isk/sp sink now eh? When was it not?.. Oh noes not my crapalicious militia BPO's (I understand the whole GP of the purchase thing but the modules were junk so don't rave to me about blahblahblah cause idc I don't buy em) I don't see any big boys giving up vehicles and I'll tell you why, I maxed armor path around 15mil, turrets included. since then its been "maybe some shield on top" "guess ill check out N2o" "wonder if missles don't suck?" We laugh, we cry, and we call out another 2 mil (insert vehicle) cause that's what we do. Big changes, bfd. If you love vehicles, spec back in. If feet been callin ya, try the new rail rifle. If it all sucks too much you can come cry on the forums. I'm always thirsty
MARSTALL DEATH UNREAL DEATH TRAP 0	Posted - 2013.11.30 12:35:00 - [149] - Quote I'm done playing dust514. You all keep changing everything the wrong way.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 622	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:15:00 - [150] - Quote Devadander, you get a like. I like you. And to everyone crying about how pilots are going to sink 99% of their respec'd SP into dropsuits, I just want to say, this is sort of like a re-do for those that did it wrong. I can already see the "You knew the consequences" posts, but I just want to say I put about 2.4 million SP into vehicles, just because I wanted to try out certain modules, vehicles, etc. It's the same reason I have ADV Flaylocks, Plasma Cannons, and Gunnlogis. After spending the 2.4m SP, I heard about this respec, and honestly, I was relieved. I had one of my squad-mates do some math for me, and I learned that I'll actually be able to fill the role this character was meant to fill, Logistics. With this 2.4 million SP, I'll be able to skill into Gallente Proto-Logistics, and maybe Complex Plating. Plus, to all the current protobears, probably about, let's say, 75% of the people crying? Don't you get tired of the redlining matches? All you're doing is sitting at the redline, waiting for people to walk up and get themselves killed. IF all of these vehicle people put their points into infantry (Which most of them won't, because they'd have to learn a whole different type of gameplay), you'd have more fun matches, less shutouts, and generally a better player experience. And that's another thing, why are you whining? You're getting a vehicle refund too! There's no disadvantage to having a vehicle respec, and if there is, talk slowly so I can understand it. From the direction I'm looking, all I see is the protobears crying because there's going to be more protobears to fight them. If you've put any SP into vehicles (Much of us have), then that's a fair bit of SP you get refunded. Go get yourself a Plasma Cannon or something with it. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

IRISH BANANA Eire Galactus 0	Posted - 2013.11.30 19:19:00 - [151] - Quote Would be nice to get a full isk refund. Gonna miss my Prometheus :( No one on my team gets red lined when i`m around
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 440	Posted - 2013.11.30 21:30:00 - [152] - Quote I'll get 10m+ SP refunded and I will most likely use the most to proto my assault and finish my dropsuit. I can go 4x kills in a dropsuit ... and it's cheaper than my mad.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 182	Posted - 2013.12.01 06:52:00 - [153] - Quote would it not be simpler to just do a full reset? ... refund everything rather than complicate it I was born in a dropship, I have mastered the dropship, I'll die in my dropship.. every game
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1333	Posted - 2013.12.01 08:04:00 - [154] - Quote I still can't believe this. Players have told you to do a full respec. The CPM has told you to do a full respec. Yet CCP refuses, because as usual CCP knows best and would rather treat their players like ****. Pilots can skill out of vehicles if they don't like the vehicle changes, but infantry can't skill into vehicles if they do like the vehicle changes. What kind of treatment is that? That's also just the main reason to do a full respec, there are other minor reasons supporting one, so not doing a full respec is so idiotic and I seriously can't believe this is how you choose to treat your players. Wake up CCP. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 301	Posted - 2013.12.01 09:49:00 - [155] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I still can't believe this. Players have told you to do a full respec. The CPM has told you to do a full respec. Yet CCP refuses, because as usual CCP knows best and would rather treat their players like ****. Pilots can skill out of vehicles if they don't like the vehicle changes, but infantry can't skill into vehicles if they do like the vehicle changes. What kind of treatment is that? That's also just the main reason to do a full respec, there are other minor reasons supporting one, so not doing a full respec is so idiotic and I seriously can't believe this is how you choose to treat your players. Wake up CCP. Yep, it sucks for infantry and for most vehicle users (who have points trapped in infantry and need them for the new vehicle skill tree). The only people who benefit are people bailing out of vehicles and going full infantry - so it achieves the exact opposite of the 'live with your choices' mantra. At least a full respec wouldn't make people committed to their roles disadvantaged relative to those who've changed their minds.
Telleth Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 168	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:22:00 - [156] - Quote I really wish it was a full respec. After I capped out my vehicle armor skills, turret skills, and the core upgrade skills, about 9mil sp I started putting sp into suits. Now it will take a much higher sp level to be as effective in a tank/dropship as I currently am. I really want these changes to work, but now I'll be sitting 7mil sp behind where I could be if there hadn't been such a drastic change to the vehicle sp tree. What if it was only a full respec to those over 5 or 10mil sp into the vehicle trees?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1365	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:04:00 - [157] - Quote Still waiting for that upgrade from vehicle to full respec. What's taking so long? You seriously can't tell me you still only want to do a vehicle only respec. To sum it up really short: 1. It's not fair that pilots get the choice to skill out of vehicles if they don't like the changes, but infantry don't get the choice to skill into vehicles if they do like the changes. This is the main reason that should warrant a full respec by itself. 2. Pilots can now chase FOTM if they want to, or at least pump all of the refunded SP into infantry and thus they get the choice to switch roles while infantry don't get the same option. 3. Pilots might have SP in infantry skills that they are going to need for vehicle skills after the changes, but with only a vehicle respec they can't use that SP. 4. AV is getting radically changed. Personally I call it a major nerf. For example is the Swarm Launcher no longer a major AV weapon, but rather a support weapon. Dedicated Swarm Launcher users could be wanting to skill into Forge Guns or Railgun HAVs instead to keep their role as main AV intact. All in all I seriously can't see how you're not doing a full respec for the 1.7 release and I'll be waiting for the announcement of a full respec for 1.7 in the coming days (before the release of 1.7). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Freshticles DIOS EX. Top Men. 301	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:26:00 - [158] - Quote I agree with the full respec. Level 9001 Forum Wizard
saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 8	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:22:00 - [159] - Quote Someone help please i cant decide whether to skill back into vehicles or go full dropsuit. i have 11mil sp in vehicles i just dont know
Sunara Detra Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:41:00 - [160] - Quote Question Will the refund only be whats currently in our inventory or total of what we have spend?

Damned Moose Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:18:00 - [161] - Quote i just want a post from ccp for us ppl with bpo gear what is BEING REMOVED not what is staying in the game and what they are thinking of giving us as compensation as i got expensive packs from them with the only point being some of the BPO items. so getting them removed is something that i will have issue with and request my real money for if not just refunded to my psn account
Sunara Detra Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:01:00 - [162] - Quote Goodbye assault dropships you have served me well P_P i solute you P_P SOOOOOOO when are we getting 1.7?
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 58	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:10:00 - [163] - Quote Damned Moose wrote: i just want a post from ccp for us ppl with bpo gear what is BEING REMOVED not what is staying in the game and what they are thinking of giving us as compensation as i got expensive packs from them with the only point being some of the BPO items. so getting them removed is something that i will have issue with and request my real money for if not just refunded to my psn account They OP describes and answers EXACTLY what you are asking. Alts: Haruko Endendros, Canti Endendros, & Zero Endendros Play Dust! Join Here!
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 111	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:36:00 - [164] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Still waiting for that upgrade from vehicle to full respec. What's taking so long? You seriously can't tell me you still only want to do a vehicle only respec. To sum it up really short: 1. It's not fair that pilots get the choice to skill out of vehicles if they don't like the changes, but infantry don't get the choice to skill into vehicles if they do like the changes. This is the main reason that should warrant a full respec by itself. 2. Pilots can now chase FOTM if they want to, or at least pump all of the refunded SP into infantry and thus they get the choice to switch roles while infantry don't get the same option. 3. Pilots might have SP in infantry skills that they are going to need for vehicle skills after the changes, but with only a vehicle respec they can't use that SP. 4. AV is getting radically changed. Personally I call it a major nerf. For example is the Swarm Launcher no longer a major AV weapon, but rather a support weapon. Dedicated Swarm Launcher users could be wanting to skill into Forge Guns or Railgun HAVs instead to keep their role as main AV intact. All in all I seriously can't see how you're not doing a full respec for the 1.7 release and I'll be waiting for the announcement of a full respec for 1.7 in the coming days (before the release of 1.7). Also, (you've already said it someway) ccp has always said "your decisions have permanence" (even if they've changed all our decisions from when we've taken them) and now they re giving the possibility to change the decisions only to a part of the player base. So: 1 veichle user will have to spend again all of theyr sp into vehicles or 2 they give us a full respec. Also: cpm, tell us something!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1371	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:46:00 - [165] - Quote I still don't see that full respec announcement. Are you really saying you're going to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles? For real? When you did these minor skill tree changes back in May you did exactly the right thing by giving everyone an optional full respec. I fail to see what's different this time and why you're not doing the same thing now. 7 days left till 1.7, you seem to be running out of time. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 756	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:01:00 - [166] - Quote Dont get why this is such a big issue to CCP. Dust 514 is not EVE Online... EVE Online has tenfolds of modules or ships related to each skill, and that is the reason why they dont need respecs. They get variety for their SP investment. We do not in Dust 514, while at the same time mods are being changed so much in this phase of development. We should get a respec with every patch, until the game is 'stable' (whatever that really means). KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 111	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:27:00 - [167] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I still don't see that full respec announcement. Are you really saying you're going to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles? For real? When you did these minor skill tree changes back in May you did exactly the right thing by giving everyone an optional full respec. I fail to see what's different this time and why you're not doing the same thing now. 7 days left till 1.7, you seem to be running out of time. I hope they re Not saying anythyng cause They re taking about what to do...
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN INSANE-CLONE-POSSE 3	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:55:00 - [168] - Quote Hey CCP! you kinda owe me for the last update which screwed me out of ISK, AUR, and SP ! I really hope that this is for the better and ALL of what was taken form me is returned becasue I'm going to file a legal complaint if this is not resolved. I gave you more than enough time to settle this professionally but you failed to do so! Please give me back EVERYTHING I put my time in for becasue if you don't I will file a legal complaint against your corporation and those who helped build this video game, for not refunding me and I'm going to keep speaking out against what you did to me which is criminal by the way in most of the countries. you cannot hide unless you really are in New Edan where not even The Syndicate can catch you give me a full refund with ALL of the you took away from me or I'm going to speak out and try to have you shut down plain and simple. Tickets will get you so far, calling the PSN company after the helpers on the tickets tell you to call Sony also gets you so far but speaking out and completely boycotting your product will probably be a thorn on the side so to speak . -Theft by deception look it up everyone!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1392	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:05:00 - [169] - Quote I must say that I'm truly baffled at how CCP is handling this. I'll be honest and say this is the final nail in the coffin for me, as I certainly don't want to play a game where the players are treated like this. You change the vehicle skill tree, fine. You then give the people with SP invested in that tree the chance to make a choice as to how to spend that SP based on the new skill tree, fine. You then DO NOT give everyone else the same chance to make a choice as to how to spend their SP based on the new skill tree, NOT fine. You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles based on the changes, but you're not letting infantry skill into vehicles based on the same changes, NOT fine. Good luck with your 80 million PS3s. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
LittleCuteBunny 238	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:03:00 - [170] - Quote Discriminatory Respecs. If it's not a full respec, I can see a mob of players leaving Dust. Personally I used to cap every week but I just can't stand playing this game when a series of bad community management decisions are done.

Tom Hamp Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:54:00 - [171] - Quote ok the reasons why they won't do full respecs is people will go to a weapon that's powerful and/or suit to get explotation thus that stuff will end up getting nerfed to you remember what happen the last time the caldari logistics got hit with a heavy nerfing and people want a respect and they said no now I suggest quit whinning and live with it cuz i'm quiting vehicles for good to max my heavy and hmg proficiency and drop suit core upgrades. the boundless the sentinel the bada$$ warrior
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN INSANE-CLONE-POSSE 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 04:17:00 - [172] - Quote Tom Hamp wrote: ok the reasons why they won't do full respecs is people will go to a weapon that's powerful and/or suit to get explotation thus that stuff will end up getting nerfed to you remember what happen the last time the caldari logistics got hit with a heavy nerfing and people want a respect and they said no now I suggest quit whinning and live with it cuz i'm quiting vehicles for good to max my heavy and hmg proficiency and drop suit core upgrades. well sorry but nope I'm speaking up against a bull crap thing that might happen to anyone such as myself, theft by deception! dust 514 is a product just like ANY VIDEO GAME. That's all I have to say to you and CCP, I want a full refund on my ISK, SP ans AURM or I'm serving you legal papers.

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1844	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:59:00 - [173] - Quote Hello everyone, Just to give you clarification regarding some edge-cases that may occur: If you have a character set for deletion during 1.7 deployment, that character will still receive skill respec if it is eligible for one (has skill points seeded into vehicle skill trees). So if you change your mind you can feel free to cancel deletion and resume playing with that character. TL;DR version: Do not set your characters for deletion during 1.7 deployment if you planned on doing so! :) CCP Frame

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1145	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:13:00 - [174] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Tom Hamp wrote: ok the reasons why they won't do full respecs is people will go to a weapon that's powerful and/or suit to get explotation thus that stuff will end up getting nerfed to you remember what happen the last time the caldari logistics got hit with a heavy nerfing and people want a respect and they said no now I suggest quit whinning and live with it cuz i'm quiting vehicles for good to max my heavy and hmg proficiency and drop suit core upgrades. well sorry but nope I'm speaking up against a bull crap thing that might happen to anyone such as myself, theft by deception! dust 514 is a product just like ANY VIDEO GAME. That's all I have to say to you and CCP, I want a full refund on my ISK, SP ans AURM or I'm serving you legal papers. Nice parody.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1403	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:15:00 - [175] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello everyone, Just to give you clarification regarding some edge-cases that may occur: If you have a character set for deletion during 1.7 deployment, that character will still receive skill respec if it is eligible for one (has skill points seeded into vehicle skill trees). So if you change your mind you can feel free to cancel deletion and resume playing with that character. TL;DR version: Do not set your characters for deletion during 1.7 deployment if you planned on doing so! :) What about that full respec to everyone? You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 2012	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:35:00 - [176] - Quote Im at the point were my skill refund wont get me anything i need lol :-( "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Skybladev2 Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 70	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:43:00 - [177] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: What about that full respec to everyone? You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit. Although it sounds legit, it is not. The main reason is that it will lead to respec speculation. Very very few players really respec into vehicles if they have never did it before. Most of them just rebalance infantry skills. <[^_^]>
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1405	Posted - 2013.12.05 11:22:00 - [178] - Quote Skybladev2 wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: What about that full respec to everyone? You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit. Although it sounds legit, it is not. The main reason is that it will lead to respec speculation. Very very few players really respec into vehicles if they have never did it before. Most of them just rebalance infantry skills. Sounds like you didn't catch my sarcasm, although it can be hard through text so I guess that's my fault mostly. It's just so wrong to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Either vehicles aren't changed to such a degree that pilots should get the option to skill out of them (since they chose to skill into vehicles, and that choice should have consequences) or vehicles are changed to such a degree that it wouldn't be fair to not give pilots a chance to skill out of vehicles, however if you give pilots this chance you must give infantry the same chance to skill into vehicles as they had no way of knowing vehicles would be changed like this when they chose to skill into infantry, It's that simple really, unfortunately CCP tends to ignore logic. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Sunara Detra Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:09:00 - [179] - Quote Question will we get refunded for each for example i have x10 promethus drop ships will i get refunded for all 10 of them?
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 81	Posted - 2013.12.06 06:59:00 - [180] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Skybladev2 wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: What about that full respec to everyone? You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit. Although it sounds legit, it is not. The main reason is that it will lead to respec speculation. Very very few players really respec into vehicles if they have never did it before. Most of them just rebalance infantry skills. Sounds like you didn't catch my sarcasm, although it can be hard through text so I guess that's my fault mostly. It's just so wrong to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Either vehicles aren't changed to such a degree that pilots should get the option to skill out of them (since they chose to skill into vehicles, and that choice should have consequences) or vehicles are changed to such a degree that it wouldn't be fair to not give pilots a chance to skill out of vehicles, however if you give pilots this chance you must give infantry the same chance to skill into vehicles as they had no way of knowing vehicles would be changed like this when they chose to skill into infantry, It's that simple really, unfortunately CCP tends to ignore logic. Hmm Idk I think its pretty fair that only pilots get the respec and not infantry pilots have gone through hell and back. I really doubt that infantry players will skill into vehicles. Here's why loyalty points once the new FW kicks off isk will take a backseat and the name of the game will be salvage. I'm pretty confident that as an infantry player you can gain more isk / lp much faster than a vehicle user. If a player decides he/she is going to tank or pilot they are going to need massive amounts of resources. If they were to ditch dropsuit skills for vehicle skills they will go broke in an instant. First they are going to have to cash in all of their amazing salvage for tons of isk. Unfortunately as they play they'll start to realize hmm my dropship hull cost me 430,000 isk the hull alone. Then you add modules weapons 1.2k dropship take it into battle it gets destroyed you get a 100k~175k payout. If it isn't destroyed you get a few kills maybe you'll get 175k~225k isk. Oh wait not isk loyalty points if it turns out you need isk to buy vehicles and not loyalty points well that infantry player just made one big mistake.

daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 489	Posted - 2013.12.06 07:52:00 - [181] - Quote No full respec please. Many people will leave Dust, if a full respec comes. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1409	Posted - 2013.12.06 07:52:00 - [182] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: Hmm Idk I think its pretty fair that only pilots get the respec and not infantry pilots have gone through hell and back. I really doubt that infantry players will skill into vehicles. Have you asked every infantry player whether they want to skill into vehicles because they like what they'll be like with these changes? You seriously can't sit there and say that no infantry player would like to skill into vehicles. If that's the case then why would pilots want to skill out of vehicles? Force the refunded SP to be put back into the vehicle skill tree then. Letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry into vehicles is so dumb and it has caused me to leave the game for good as I refuse to play a game where the players are treated like this. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 81	Posted - 2013.12.06 09:20:00 - [183] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Ld Collins wrote: Hmm Idk I think its pretty fair that only pilots get the respec and not infantry pilots have gone through hell and back. I really doubt that infantry players will skill into vehicles. Have you asked every infantry player whether they want to skill into vehicles because they like what they'll be like with these changes? You seriously can't sit there and say that no infantry player would like to skill into vehicles. If that's the case then why would pilots want to skill out of vehicles? Force the refunded SP to be put back into the vehicle skill tree then. Letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry into vehicles is so dumb and it has caused me to leave the game for good as I refuse to play a game where the players are treated like this. What is there to like? It seems like most people are just upset that Av got nerfed and now they want to get those points back. Hurray dropships can avoid swarms easier now. They still have to deal with railguns missles and forge guns tanks have been nerfed too. There's ammo now destroy the only two supply depots on the map and they are screwed when they run out of ammo. Idk maybe tank vs tank battles would get slightly more interesting but it will still boil down to who lands the first shot. LLavs are gone so those mobile coffins will be back couple land mines or remote explosive even the AV nades will eat lavs for breakfast. Plasma cannon to the sagas av nade kaboom.
Nomzi FemmeFatality 7	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:34:00 - [184] - Quote Thank you, thank you, thank you for the full vehicle skill tree respec, CCP! Will be getting a hefty amount of SP back.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 900	Posted - 2013.12.10 00:07:00 - [185] - Quote I wonder what happens to Creodron Methanas... Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
Aka Swava Quafe Runners 3	Posted - 2013.12.10 20:23:00 - [186] - Quote So i spent over $300 since the official release in Jan and now the BPO's are going to start being removed. WTF. I have no use for the ARUM Suits, Guns, and Mods. I personally bought all the BPO's with the hope that CCP would keep to the way of New Eden and allow the owner's of Blueprints to use them for manufacturing, research, and invention. Dust514 should follow suit with EVE as far as the Blueprints go. CCP please get your S**T together. Dust is becoming a huge disappointment and im starting to feel like i should have never hit the download button.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 900	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:18:00 - [187] - Quote Aka Swava wrote: So i spent over $300 since the official release in Jan and now the BPO's are going to start being removed. WTF. I have no use for the ARUM Suits, Guns, and Mods. I personally bought all the BPO's with the hope that CCP would keep to the way of New Eden and allow the owner's of Blueprints to use them for manufacturing, research, and invention. Dust514 should follow suit with EVE as far as the Blueprints go. CCP please get your ST together. Dust is becoming a huge disappointment and im starting to feel like i should have never hit the download button. Well you'd have no reason to have those blueprint originals if they would be prefecated. Obsolete as their modules won't exist anymore for greater gameplay reasons. I prefer refund instead of lost money. However, I'd like to know what exactly was refunded and for what AUR amount - that is NOT clear at all. Were there really only four AUR vehicle BPOs that were removed?** Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 239	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:55:00 - [188] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: I wonder what happens to Creodron Methanas... Still there :) Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
Aka Swava Quafe Runners 4	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:15:00 - [189] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Aka Swava wrote: So i spent over $300 since the official release in Jan and now the BPO's are going to start being removed. WTF. I have no use for the ARUM Suits, Guns, and Mods. I personally bought all the BPO's with the hope that CCP would keep to the way of New Eden and allow the owner's of Blueprints to use them for manufacturing, research, and invention. Dust514 should follow suit with EVE as far as the Blueprints go. CCP please get your ST together. Dust is becoming a huge disappointment and im starting to feel like i should have never hit the download button. Well you'd have no reason to have those blueprint originals if they would be prefecated. Obsolete as their modules won't exist anymore for greater gameplay reasons. I prefer refund instead of lost money. However, I'd like to know what exactly was refunded and for what AUR amount - that is NOT clear at all. Were there really only four AUR vehicle BPOs that were removed?** Im going to go out on a limb and guess that you have no knowledge of how the whole "Blueprint" thing works on Eve. and thats ok there was a point that i didn't either. You would take the Militia Gear BPO and use that to produce better Gear. Im not going to go into the whole process because i have a hunch you dont care. People want to keep asking about a "Player Market" well the BPO's in Dust "could" help to get that off the ground it they were used the way they are in Eve. As it stands in Eve if it were not for BPO's in Eve then NO ONE would be flying a T2 ship seeing as how the BPC of that T2 was made from a T1 BPO. If the BPO's in Dust were used the same way then they could be used to help get the player market started. So with that being said there "could" be a use for BPO's if the game Dev's would stay to there story and stay to the way the market in New Eden works.
GManKilla 2898 BloodLust killers 1	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:21:00 - [190] - Quote my i get a full respec u raise the skil point cost for vehicles but people like me who aar in vehicles cant spec all the way back in n i have others in infantry i dont use and i wont my dropship to be back to full or what that is now and with tanks op and sheilds low i need all my skill points in my dropships unlike noobs im staying where i am now were the money is ** yall asking for respecs to get op tanks yall aint tankers and ** yall trying to get op guns yall noobs with no skill thats why yall dindnt get infantry respec

Jack Vanus Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention 32	Posted - 2013.12.14 15:48:00 - [191] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: CCP Frame wrote: In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints. [...] 4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint CCP, Can you confirm what your plans for BPOs are in short term and long term? Because your statement leaves open the possibility CCP will just remove them later a little at a time. Stating "no plans for the immediate future" means that CCP does have plans for BPOs in the future, just not right now. Can we get CCP to go on record right now to guarantee that they will not remove any more BPOS from the game? From where several of us sit it looks a lot like CCP has decided on a tactic to rotate through BPOs using the name of "rebalance" to remove them. Rebalance is good. Taking Permanent items with out exchanging it for a comparable or better permanent item is a breech of trust. We can all be fairly certain of rebalance regularly occuring. Because it happens in every game that "balancing" occurs to change the mechanics and make a new game fresh again with changes to the tactics involved. In a past life I worked as a director for a game company, I saw first hand from the inside how it works. Game Companies do it in all MMOs and FPS, its a normal part of game creep and its actually a good thing to make changes to re-balance the game. However it appears CCP is going a step further and using balancing also as a means to remove BPOs from those who invested in a PERMANENT item. You are being sneaky about it, and taking just enough to get away with it and then you wait for a period of time and then you will return those modules with a slightly different mechanic and under a different name and then later do it again, rinse, repeat. Most of us do not want Aurum, We dont want ISK, we want PERMANENT Items in exchange for this loss of what could be considered worth a cost of use of Billions of ISK in the future. I would like to get CCP on record here... This tactic smacks of Game Creep used to take stuff from those of us who invested early in your game and kept it going... The difference between me and some of the other complainers is I have a background in the business and I can articulate what the tactic is and the impact as social networks move away from the game in response. If word gets out that CCP has issues keeping their word and listening to players feed back... your game is not going to grow like it could. In the end CCP has a breech of trust, and a responsibility to restore that trust by replacing those BPOs with comparable BPOs.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 942	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:01:00 - [192] - Quote would it be possible to simply give the Aurum people spent on the items back? that way they cannot moan. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Sir poopsalot spartonians Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:34:00 - [193] - Quote The rail rifle is overpowered i know your going to make it not as good but make sure not to over do it it would be a awful move to make a great gun make people waste sp on it then make it ******
Pryke Bastion GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 153	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:12:00 - [194] - Quote Jack Vanus wrote: CCP Frame wrote: CCP Frame wrote: In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints. [...] 4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint 4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier 4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint CCP, Can you confirm what your plans for BPOs are in short term and long term? Because your statement leaves open the possibility CCP will just remove them later a little at a time. Stating "no plans for the immediate future" means that CCP does have plans for BPOs in the future, just not right now. Can we get CCP to go on record right now to guarantee that they will not remove any more BPOS from the game? From where several of us sit it looks a lot like CCP has decided on a tactic to rotate through BPOs using the name of "rebalance" to remove them. Rebalance is good. Taking Permanent items with out exchanging it for a comparable or better permanent item is a breech of trust. We can all be fairly certain of rebalance regularly occuring. Because it happens in every game that "balancing" occurs to change the mechanics and make a new game fresh again with changes to the tactics involved. In a past life I worked as a director for a game company, I saw first hand from the inside how it works. Game Companies do it in all MMOs and FPS, its a normal part of game creep and its actually a good thing to make changes to re-balance the game. However it appears CCP is going a step further and using balancing also as a means to remove BPOs from those who invested in a PERMANENT item. You are being sneaky about it, and taking just enough to get away with it and then you wait for a period of time and then you will return those modules with a slightly different mechanic and under a different name and then later do it again, rinse, repeat. Most of us do not want Aurum, We dont want ISK, we want PERMANENT Items in exchange for this loss of what could be considered worth a cost of use of Billions of ISK in the future. I would like to get CCP on record here... This tactic smacks of Game Creep used to take stuff from those of us who invested early in your game and kept it going... The difference between me and some of the other complainers is I have a background in the business and I can articulate what the tactic is and the impact as social networks move away from the game in response. If word gets out that CCP has issues keeping their word and listening to players feed back... your game is not going to grow like it could. In the end CCP has a breech of trust, and a responsibility to restore that trust by replacing those BPOs with comparable BPOs. +1 Game creep is unavoidable but similar modules should be awarded, like militia shield hardener BPOs as an example. Removing items that players had the foresight to purchase early in this game and say "No, no, no, you can't do that anymore, it's breaking our economy plan." - it's crap. Even if you claim this isn't why you are doing this I'm certain of it. What's really screwing the in game economy is consumable aurum purchased items, but I guess it must be REALLY hard to let go of that cash cow, eh? Bottom line, if it's truly game creep, exchange lost BPOs for comparable new ones. Otherwise your trying to swindle players out of their BPOs a few modules at a time. If you really feel BPOs are that terrible for the economy, DELETE THEM ALL. Then we can throw down the glove and get this legal crap over with. Pryke out. Chamberlain of GunFall Mobilization
Numinacer SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:39:00 - [195] - Quote Is there any way I could get an actual SP reset? CCP I love the new adjustments you made...but now I have MILLIONS of unusableSP. I come back from about a month off line to see I can only use militia dropships. I had unlocked every dropship except the logistic gellente. I know you guys have alot of stuff to sort through but I would love to hear back about my concerns. Thanks
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN Valor Coalition 13	Posted - 2014.03.11 21:44:00 - [196] - Quote Numinacer wrote: Is there any way I could get an actual SP reset? CCP I love the new adjustments you made...but now I have MILLIONS of unusableSP. I come back from about a month off line to see I can only use militia dropships. I had unlocked every dropship except the logistic gellente. I know you guys have alot of stuff to sort through but I would love to hear back about my concerns. Thanks if that were to happen people who start liking this game and its rating from me would go from 1 to a possible 2 im a hard judge since they stole my money a whiles back so I like your idea but ccp? not so much, what a bunch of mooks that spend their life on vacation celebrating all and any holiday of they year....i like in America 1st amendment freedom of speech and press ccp you cant kill all of us who will not conform and not submit.
Mell caneva Inmortales LLC Amenaza Inminente 100	Posted - 2014.06.01 05:19:00 - [197] - Quote give a full respec Me gusta la patata ¿Algun problema?
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 262	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:00:00 - [198] - Quote Mell caneva wrote: give a full respec So turds like you can get triple-rep maddies? LOLno. Henrietta Reborn
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN Intara Direct Action Caldari State 26	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:04:00 - [199] - Quote At this point in dust everyone has enough points to get all and any, trust me man I should know I talk with them too. chill out I don't like to use proto but I like to spec into the skill so I have a better bonus to compete with you guys and gals out here in the community today is my birthday, I just want people to get along and stop this crap of using proto for at least a month or two even the big corps because we all had so many people leave this game from good and a full respec to spec thing you want at level five so everyone can get the bonuses and for at least a month or two not use proto as wild and out as it reads im sorry but two new games are coming out and dust is about to take a dump on us like Mag and Socom. Please be mindful on what you say to people you never know whats going on in their lives . try to have fun with out trolling or using proto but i doubt anyone here can be chill... or can they?


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