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IRISH BANANA
Eire Galactus
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:19:00 -
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Would be nice to get a full isk refund. Gonna miss my Prometheus :(
No one on my team gets red lined when i`m around
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion
440
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:30:00 -
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I'll get 10m+ SP refunded and I will most likely use the most to proto my assault and finish my dropsuit. I can go 4x kills in a dropsuit ... and it's cheaper than my mad. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
182
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Posted - 2013.12.01 06:52:00 -
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would it not be simpler to just do a full reset? ... refund everything rather than complicate it
I was born in a dropship, I have mastered the dropship, I'll die in my dropship.. every game
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1333
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:04:00 -
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I still can't believe this.
Players have told you to do a full respec. The CPM has told you to do a full respec. Yet CCP refuses, because as usual CCP knows best and would rather treat their players like ****.
Pilots can skill out of vehicles if they don't like the vehicle changes, but infantry can't skill into vehicles if they do like the vehicle changes. What kind of treatment is that?
That's also just the main reason to do a full respec, there are other minor reasons supporting one, so not doing a full respec is so idiotic and I seriously can't believe this is how you choose to treat your players.
Wake up CCP.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
301
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:49:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:I still can't believe this.
Players have told you to do a full respec. The CPM has told you to do a full respec. Yet CCP refuses, because as usual CCP knows best and would rather treat their players like ****.
Pilots can skill out of vehicles if they don't like the vehicle changes, but infantry can't skill into vehicles if they do like the vehicle changes. What kind of treatment is that?
That's also just the main reason to do a full respec, there are other minor reasons supporting one, so not doing a full respec is so idiotic and I seriously can't believe this is how you choose to treat your players.
Wake up CCP. Yep, it sucks for infantry and for most vehicle users (who have points trapped in infantry and need them for the new vehicle skill tree). The only people who benefit are people bailing out of vehicles and going full infantry - so it achieves the exact opposite of the 'live with your choices' mantra. At least a full respec wouldn't make people committed to their roles disadvantaged relative to those who've changed their minds. |
Telleth
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.02 14:22:00 -
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I really wish it was a full respec. After I capped out my vehicle armor skills, turret skills, and the core upgrade skills, about 9mil sp I started putting sp into suits. Now it will take a much higher sp level to be as effective in a tank/dropship as I currently am. I really want these changes to work, but now I'll be sitting 7mil sp behind where I could be if there hadn't been such a drastic change to the vehicle sp tree.
What if it was only a full respec to those over 5 or 10mil sp into the vehicle trees? |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:04:00 -
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Still waiting for that upgrade from vehicle to full respec. What's taking so long? You seriously can't tell me you still only want to do a vehicle only respec.
To sum it up really short: 1. It's not fair that pilots get the choice to skill out of vehicles if they don't like the changes, but infantry don't get the choice to skill into vehicles if they do like the changes. This is the main reason that should warrant a full respec by itself. 2. Pilots can now chase FOTM if they want to, or at least pump all of the refunded SP into infantry and thus they get the choice to switch roles while infantry don't get the same option. 3. Pilots might have SP in infantry skills that they are going to need for vehicle skills after the changes, but with only a vehicle respec they can't use that SP. 4. AV is getting radically changed. Personally I call it a major nerf. For example is the Swarm Launcher no longer a major AV weapon, but rather a support weapon. Dedicated Swarm Launcher users could be wanting to skill into Forge Guns or Railgun HAVs instead to keep their role as main AV intact.
All in all I seriously can't see how you're not doing a full respec for the 1.7 release and I'll be waiting for the announcement of a full respec for 1.7 in the coming days (before the release of 1.7).
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Freshticles
DIOS EX. Top Men.
301
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:26:00 -
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I agree with the full respec.
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saxonmish
Third Rock From The Sun
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:22:00 -
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Someone help please i cant decide whether to skill back into vehicles or go full dropsuit. i have 11mil sp in vehicles i just dont know |
Sunara Detra
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:41:00 -
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Question Will the refund only be whats currently in our inventory or total of what we have spend? |
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Damned Moose
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.02 18:18:00 -
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i just want a post from ccp for us ppl with bpo gear what is BEING REMOVED not what is staying in the game and what they are thinking of giving us as compensation
as i got expensive packs from them with the only point being some of the BPO items. so getting them removed is something that i will have issue with and request my real money for if not just refunded to my psn account |
Sunara Detra
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.12.02 20:01:00 -
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Goodbye assault dropships you have served me well P_P i solute you
P_P
SOOOOOOO when are we getting 1.7? |
Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
58
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Posted - 2013.12.02 20:10:00 -
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Damned Moose wrote:i just want a post from ccp for us ppl with bpo gear what is BEING REMOVED not what is staying in the game and what they are thinking of giving us as compensation
as i got expensive packs from them with the only point being some of the BPO items. so getting them removed is something that i will have issue with and request my real money for if not just refunded to my psn account
They OP describes and answers EXACTLY what you are asking.
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
111
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Posted - 2013.12.02 20:36:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Still waiting for that upgrade from vehicle to full respec. What's taking so long? You seriously can't tell me you still only want to do a vehicle only respec.
To sum it up really short: 1. It's not fair that pilots get the choice to skill out of vehicles if they don't like the changes, but infantry don't get the choice to skill into vehicles if they do like the changes. This is the main reason that should warrant a full respec by itself. 2. Pilots can now chase FOTM if they want to, or at least pump all of the refunded SP into infantry and thus they get the choice to switch roles while infantry don't get the same option. 3. Pilots might have SP in infantry skills that they are going to need for vehicle skills after the changes, but with only a vehicle respec they can't use that SP. 4. AV is getting radically changed. Personally I call it a major nerf. For example is the Swarm Launcher no longer a major AV weapon, but rather a support weapon. Dedicated Swarm Launcher users could be wanting to skill into Forge Guns or Railgun HAVs instead to keep their role as main AV intact.
All in all I seriously can't see how you're not doing a full respec for the 1.7 release and I'll be waiting for the announcement of a full respec for 1.7 in the coming days (before the release of 1.7). Also, (you've already said it someway) ccp has always said "your decisions have permanence" (even if they've changed all our decisions from when we've taken them) and now they re giving the possibility to change the decisions only to a part of the player base. So: 1 veichle user will have to spend again all of theyr sp into vehicles or 2 they give us a full respec.
Also: cpm, tell us something! |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:46:00 -
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I still don't see that full respec announcement. Are you really saying you're going to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles? For real?
When you did these minor skill tree changes back in May you did exactly the right thing by giving everyone an optional full respec. I fail to see what's different this time and why you're not doing the same thing now.
7 days left till 1.7, you seem to be running out of time.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
756
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:01:00 -
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Dont get why this is such a big issue to CCP.
Dust 514 is not EVE Online...
EVE Online has tenfolds of modules or ships related to each skill, and that is the reason why they dont need respecs. They get variety for their SP investment. We do not in Dust 514, while at the same time mods are being changed so much in this phase of development.
We should get a respec with every patch, until the game is 'stable' (whatever that really means).
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
111
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:27:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:I still don't see that full respec announcement. Are you really saying you're going to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles? For real? When you did these minor skill tree changes back in May you did exactly the right thing by giving everyone an optional full respec. I fail to see what's different this time and why you're not doing the same thing now. 7 days left till 1.7, you seem to be running out of time. I hope they re Not saying anythyng cause They re taking about what to do... |
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN
INSANE-CLONE-POSSE
3
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:55:00 -
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Hey CCP! you kinda owe me for the last update which screwed me out of ISK, AUR, and SP ! I really hope that this is for the better and ALL of what was taken form me is returned becasue I'm going to file a legal complaint if this is not resolved. I gave you more than enough time to settle this professionally but you failed to do so! Please give me back EVERYTHING I put my time in for becasue if you don't I will file a legal complaint against your corporation and those who helped build this video game, for not refunding me and I'm going to keep speaking out against what you did to me which is criminal by the way in most of the countries. you cannot hide unless you really are in New Edan where not even The Syndicate can catch you give me a full refund with ALL of the you took away from me or I'm going to speak out and try to have you shut down plain and simple. Tickets will get you so far, calling the PSN company after the helpers on the tickets tell you to call Sony also gets you so far but speaking out and completely boycotting your product will probably be a thorn on the side so to speak .
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:05:00 -
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I must say that I'm truly baffled at how CCP is handling this.
I'll be honest and say this is the final nail in the coffin for me, as I certainly don't want to play a game where the players are treated like this.
You change the vehicle skill tree, fine.
You then give the people with SP invested in that tree the chance to make a choice as to how to spend that SP based on the new skill tree, fine.
You then DO NOT give everyone else the same chance to make a choice as to how to spend their SP based on the new skill tree, NOT fine.
You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles based on the changes, but you're not letting infantry skill into vehicles based on the same changes, NOT fine.
Good luck with your 80 million PS3s.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
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LittleCuteBunny
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:03:00 -
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Discriminatory Respecs.
If it's not a full respec, I can see a mob of players leaving Dust. Personally I used to cap every week but I just can't stand playing this game when a series of bad community management decisions are done.
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Tom Hamp
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:54:00 -
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ok the reasons why they won't do full respecs is people will go to a weapon that's powerful and/or suit to get explotation thus that stuff will end up getting nerfed to you remember what happen the last time the caldari logistics got hit with a heavy nerfing and people want a respect and they said no now I suggest quit whinning and live with it cuz i'm quiting vehicles for good to max my heavy and hmg proficiency and drop suit core upgrades.
the boundless the sentinel the bada$$ warrior
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DROPSHIP CAPTAIN
INSANE-CLONE-POSSE
9
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:17:00 -
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Tom Hamp wrote:ok the reasons why they won't do full respecs is people will go to a weapon that's powerful and/or suit to get explotation thus that stuff will end up getting nerfed to you remember what happen the last time the caldari logistics got hit with a heavy nerfing and people want a respect and they said no now I suggest quit whinning and live with it cuz i'm quiting vehicles for good to max my heavy and hmg proficiency and drop suit core upgrades.
well sorry but nope I'm speaking up against a bull crap thing that might happen to anyone such as myself, theft by deception! dust 514 is a product just like ANY VIDEO GAME. That's all I have to say to you and CCP, I want a full refund on my ISK, SP ans AURM or I'm serving you legal papers. |
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
1844
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Posted - 2013.12.05 08:59:00 -
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Hello everyone,
Just to give you clarification regarding some edge-cases that may occur: If you have a character set for deletion during 1.7 deployment, that character will still receive skill respec if it is eligible for one (has skill points seeded into vehicle skill trees). So if you change your mind you can feel free to cancel deletion and resume playing with that character.
TL;DR version: Do not set your characters for deletion during 1.7 deployment if you planned on doing so! :)
CCP Frame
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1145
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Posted - 2013.12.05 09:13:00 -
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DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote:Tom Hamp wrote:ok the reasons why they won't do full respecs is people will go to a weapon that's powerful and/or suit to get explotation thus that stuff will end up getting nerfed to you remember what happen the last time the caldari logistics got hit with a heavy nerfing and people want a respect and they said no now I suggest quit whinning and live with it cuz i'm quiting vehicles for good to max my heavy and hmg proficiency and drop suit core upgrades. well sorry but nope I'm speaking up against a bull crap thing that might happen to anyone such as myself, theft by deception! dust 514 is a product just like ANY VIDEO GAME. That's all I have to say to you and CCP, I want a full refund on my ISK, SP ans AURM or I'm serving you legal papers.
Nice parody. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1403
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Posted - 2013.12.05 09:15:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Hello everyone,
Just to give you clarification regarding some edge-cases that may occur: If you have a character set for deletion during 1.7 deployment, that character will still receive skill respec if it is eligible for one (has skill points seeded into vehicle skill trees). So if you change your mind you can feel free to cancel deletion and resume playing with that character.
TL;DR version: Do not set your characters for deletion during 1.7 deployment if you planned on doing so! :) What about that full respec to everyone?
You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit.
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steadyhand amarr
steadyhands independent mercenarys
2012
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Posted - 2013.12.05 10:35:00 -
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Im at the point were my skill refund wont get me anything i need lol :-(
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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Skybladev2
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
70
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Posted - 2013.12.05 10:43:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote: What about that full respec to everyone?
You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit.
Although it sounds legit, it is not. The main reason is that it will lead to respec speculation. Very very few players really respec into vehicles if they have never did it before. Most of them just rebalance infantry skills.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.05 11:22:00 -
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Skybladev2 wrote:Bendtner92 wrote: What about that full respec to everyone?
You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit.
Although it sounds legit, it is not. The main reason is that it will lead to respec speculation. Very very few players really respec into vehicles if they have never did it before. Most of them just rebalance infantry skills. Sounds like you didn't catch my sarcasm, although it can be hard through text so I guess that's my fault mostly.
It's just so wrong to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles.
Either vehicles aren't changed to such a degree that pilots should get the option to skill out of them (since they chose to skill into vehicles, and that choice should have consequences) or vehicles are changed to such a degree that it wouldn't be fair to not give pilots a chance to skill out of vehicles, however if you give pilots this chance you must give infantry the same chance to skill into vehicles as they had no way of knowing vehicles would be changed like this when they chose to skill into infantry,
It's that simple really, unfortunately CCP tends to ignore logic.
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Sunara Detra
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:09:00 -
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Question will we get refunded for each for example i have x10 promethus drop ships will i get refunded for all 10 of them? |
Ld Collins
The Phalanx Inc
81
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:59:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Skybladev2 wrote:Bendtner92 wrote: What about that full respec to everyone?
You're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Sounds legit.
Although it sounds legit, it is not. The main reason is that it will lead to respec speculation. Very very few players really respec into vehicles if they have never did it before. Most of them just rebalance infantry skills. Sounds like you didn't catch my sarcasm, although it can be hard through text so I guess that's my fault mostly. It's just so wrong to allow pilots to skill out of vehicles, but not infantry to skill into vehicles. Either vehicles aren't changed to such a degree that pilots should get the option to skill out of them (since they chose to skill into vehicles, and that choice should have consequences) or vehicles are changed to such a degree that it wouldn't be fair to not give pilots a chance to skill out of vehicles, however if you give pilots this chance you must give infantry the same chance to skill into vehicles as they had no way of knowing vehicles would be changed like this when they chose to skill into infantry, It's that simple really, unfortunately CCP tends to ignore logic. Hmm Idk I think its pretty fair that only pilots get the respec and not infantry pilots have gone through hell and back. I really doubt that infantry players will skill into vehicles.
Here's why loyalty points once the new FW kicks off isk will take a backseat and the name of the game will be salvage. I'm pretty confident that as an infantry player you can gain more isk / lp much faster than a vehicle user. If a player decides he/she is going to tank or pilot they are going to need massive amounts of resources. If they were to ditch dropsuit skills for vehicle skills they will go broke in an instant. First they are going to have to cash in all of their amazing salvage for tons of isk. Unfortunately as they play they'll start to realize hmm my dropship hull cost me 430,000 isk the hull alone. Then you add modules weapons 1.2k dropship take it into battle it gets destroyed you get a 100k~175k payout. If it isn't destroyed you get a few kills maybe you'll get 175k~225k isk. Oh wait not isk loyalty points if it turns out you need isk to buy vehicles and not loyalty points well that infantry player just made one big mistake. |
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