The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well.

However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us.

EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time.

Please do, because it is important.

I look forward to chatting more about this at Fanfest next year too (you are coming right?).

OK what the heck before shutdown today i was given a message that said a eve player in my corp was running for CEO of my corp and that my CEO roles where removed till the vote was final and in truth i have been shut out and whats worst this eve pilot is not a director he doesn't have a singe role and also apparent only eve pilots are allowed to make these votes so it seems there is nothing i can do about it and in fact i think he already has control of the corp with his vote of 1!!!
I Don't know how this happened and it is completely unfair and wrong that EVE is allowed to do this some how and no one i have talked to even knows how he can do it with out any roles. I have submitted a ticket and emailed customer support but by the time i get a reply this pilot will have probably deleted all the members and again there is nothing i can do...... so yeah what the heck!!!!!

For an MMO, player-based organizations is kinda core.

They're wasting their time on balancing, because they keep breaking balancing anyhow. They balanced everything around bad hit detection, and then fixed hit detection, and now balancing is completely wrong again. They'll fix that, then another bug, that'll break balance again. It's never going to be perfect, and they're wasting time with it.

We need real content that encourages gameplay. And EVE has proven, time and time again, alliances, rivalries, wars. That creates gameplay. That creates content.

I'm so baffled by the DEV response to this - it borders on an asinine scolding with a smirking, "It's the New Eden Meta Game!" but it's not like Dust is a F2P game advertised on the PS3 network which is a console, not a PC, where a great deal of players are not going to be from Eve or even know very little of Eve or know why they should potentially know about Eve (because of something like this). This is seriously a critical oversight and what is even more shocking is the, "This is your fault because you want to have access to content that you should already have!"

so directors can transfer shares? or only the CEO? which is it, cause vala never made that guy CEO? directors shouldnt be able to move shares

The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player.

You can try petitioning it, but as I said, this can only occur if the corp came from EVE or you assigned it to EVE at some point. In which case we expect that you understand the corporation mechanics (as much as anyone could understand the EVE corporation mechanics anyway, I agree it is pretty confusing).

Your corp wallets are safe as there is absolutely no way for an EVE player to take ISK from the dust wallet. They are separate from each other.

You got ****ed out of your corp due to the inability to assign shares from the dust client.

Good luck man. I hope you get your corp back. This is not your fault either. The fault relies in a broken system between the eve and dust corp UIs.

I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well.

However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us.

EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time.

The fault lays with the OP, not the system.

If they had done the obvious thing and read up some more on corp safety it clearly says on pretty much every guide to secure the shares. They didn't even seem to know about shares, yet entrusted their corp CEO role to someone.

The players name as i found out from Vala is: Jihad Destroyer 011011

I call BS on this. I'm a 6 year veteran of EVE and I put little thought into shares as they play such a minuscule role in most activities. If a DUST player can create and manage a corporation but be bitten by a rarely used element of its sister game then there is a problem. The first step is to educate the DUST player. The second is to fix it. CCP can at least make an official and prominently posted warning of the dangers of transferring the CEO title to a pilot for any length of time.

A quick check on the attributes of Dust Core from Eve side indicates that at one point in time someone added shares to the corporation. Current number of shares is 1001, which is 1 more share than what a new corporation starts with. I would guess that when a director he added one share and transferred it to himself to allow himself a foothold if it was ever needed.

Ty thoughts on this:

1. I respect where you are coming, however the analogy of alliances in Eve and Dust is a flawed analogy. The reason is that the alliance mechanics are impact Dust today due to the fact that corproations are mixed, and you have given limited mechanics in Dust that involve alliance functionality. When alliances were introduced into Eve, there was nothing like it prior - meaning this was a wholly new concept whereas in Dust it is not.

2. This statement is more comprehensive than your previous ones - part of what upset me and others is that you appeared to be getting defensive without actually explaining anything

3. CCP should revert ownership and shares of the OP's corp immediately.

4. CCP should introduce warning message at multiple levels (assigning roles; resigning CEO title, creating corporation, etc) to present all of the dangers herein until such time that CCP can devote development resources to introduce proper mechanics; this sould be done immediately as well.

5. As the executor of my alliance, things like this really irk me because it impacts my player base greatly. Personally, this does not impact me directly as I know the dangers as a long time Eve player (6 years and counting). That said, it does impact me indirectly in my ability to recruit new corps from Dust into my alliance, as well as the ability to protect my players from unseen threats, which is the responsibility of any corp or alliance CEO. Now comes the fun part - I normally don't play the "disgruntled customer" card, but the fact of the matter is I am a long term subscriber to Eve with 4 accounts (and as someone in Eve who rarely actually makes ISK because I don't enjoy that aspect, I am someone who pays real world money for 4 accounts every month) plus 2 in Dust. This issue impacts my ability to play Eve the way that I want - and so now what you have is a free to play game negatively impacting a paying customer in a different game. CCP's lack of forethought here is amazingly obvious to me. Were this only impactful to players who are not required to pay a subscription to play the game (i.e. Dust only players), the problems are lessened (albeit they are still significant). This, however, can potentially impact a lot of things in Eve - and I don't get the feeling that you realize this.

6. I hereby call for an official statement from CCP announcing the plans to implement the "bandaid" warnings in the game, and how soon we can expect them. I would also call on CCP to acknowledge that the OP's corp will be returned to him as a sign of good faith. I do so with the full understanding that CCP is not required to do so - though from a PR perspective this is a great opportunity that CCP would be foolish to ignore.

7. And finally, to the OP - my sympathies for you. If there is anything I can do to assist you (which, to be honest, I doubt there will be), please message me in game. If it is something that is in my power to do, and is reasonable, I will do what I can for you.

Thanks for listening.

Some posts were TLDR, but in all honesty, If a dust player is allowed to start and maintain a corp/alliance, that dust player should have the same access to all the different tools an eve player should. This just gives an unfair advantage to someone with an eve account. I am all for someone underhandedly stealing a corp, or doing something to dismantle a corp..it is part of the game we play. But, if a Dust merc is not given the ability to defend his corp on the same level of a eve player, then we are looking at an unbalanced playing field via Meta game. This also includes the inability to admin dust made chat channels. Which is something I have be advocating since the beginning.

Problem is, with our half-assed corp implementation, we can't do **** about it.
Let's see what someone could do about this in EVE.
Capsuleer1 creates EVECORP.
Capsuleer1 for some reason wants to temporarially transfer CEOship to Capsuleer2, who is not fully trusted.
Capsuleer1 dumps all EVECORP shares from the corp wallet to his personal wallet. DUST PLAYERS CANNOT PERFORM THIS STEP.
Capsuleer1 accepts Capsuleer2's application, and then promotes Capsuleer2 to the CEO position.
Capsuleer2 tries to transfer shares from EVECORP's wallet to his personal wallet, but they aren't there, so he can't.
At this point, one of two things can happen.
Capsuleer2 is nice and returns the corp to Capsuleer1, after doing whatever it was that was needed. (or not doing what is needed, doesn't really matter for this example)
Or two... Capsuleer2 is a jerk, and keeps his CEOship. Capsuleer1 can then hold a vote, and vote himself CEO of EVECORP, since Capsuleer1 has all of the shares in his personal wallet.

Dust players CANNOT protect themselves like this, and that is dumb.

Welcome to new Eden.

Now you know, lesson learned, don't do it again. Do research next time you hand over your corp to someone you don't know.

Life will only get more difficult as "real" assets come into the game.

The fault lays with the OP, not the system.

If they had done the obvious thing and read up some more on corp safety it clearly says on pretty much every guide to secure the shares. They didn't even seem to know about shares, yet entrusted their corp CEO role to someone.