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Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:34:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.
The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.
The problem lay's when Mercenaries in DUST are making their own alliances and or joining them... Sometimes players with out even the basic tutorial of EVE online are in the leadership position's of the DUST corporations.
They then rely on someone that has extensive EVE side knowledge and active accounts to use the alliance mechanics of New Eden.
Sadly because of the meta gaming nature of EVE online players will naturally take the shares when given the chance... There is even professionally edited CCP video's promoting the activity.
Not Guilty and several well known corporations suffered from this problem..
Until alliance and all corporation U.I. functions from EVE are working in DUST 514, meta gaming will forte any limited instructional warning you guys may implement. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:48:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:TrueXer0z wrote:You got ****ed out of your corp due to the inability to assign shares from the dust client.
Good luck man. I hope you get your corp back. This is not your fault either. The fault relies in a broken system between the eve and dust corp UIs. The fault lays with the OP, not the system. If they had done the obvious thing and read up some more on corp safety it clearly says on pretty much every guide to secure the shares. They didn't even seem to know about shares, yet entrusted their corp CEO role to someone.
Your funny, I've been playing EVE online since closed beta... the shares functions within corporations are one of the oldest systems in EVE associated with corporations.. a majority of pilot's in new Eden don;t even know how the system works.
And they have a game where an in game browser is located on a tool bar and all they have to do is google the information. No mercenary in dust should have to go through the extensive learning curve of EVE and know all the finer functions to create a social group within dust known as a corporation.
If most players in EVE don't fully understand how shares work how can you expect a DUST player too?
Shares implemented well are almost more viable in DUST for use.... If we could buy out shares from our corporations as mercenaries and then have a share holders say within the corporations.. and got payed out dividends from corporation profit's.. would make a lot of sense in how the whole Mercenary structure goes.
Shares and share holder functions within DUST will also allow DUST mercenary cores to be built within EVE based corporations but still have a "Say" within the corporation as the DUST mercenaries are share holders within the corporation.
You guys have one of the best U.I. examples in gaming... EVE online's U.I. is second to none. The version of UI. we got in DUST, is almost a preschool's version.. the Problem is not that they made it more simplistic, It's that it's missing key element's that merge it properly with EVE online and essentially handicap us.. and further hurt the legitimacy of DUST mercenaries in the New Eden galaxy. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:47:00 -
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Vala Prime wrote:Vala Prime wrote:As of today i lost my corp to the eve player after ccp told me they took steps to prevent this from happening and so i guess ccp lied to me and my corp and allowed this to happen. I got voted out and no one else could vote against him he has all the shares and dust players dont vote. I dont know how he got them would have like this problem fixed i dont think its fair for this to happen and nothing i can do. So to everyone in dust dust core is control by a trader he cant help the corp and the name is corrupt now. I wish ccp will disbanded the corp. Im not happy that this happen all the hard i have done in this corp taken away in 2 days by something I couldnt stop or didnt know about. Jihad destroyer 011011 said he only wanted the corp name thats f up i helped made this corp and in 2 days it was taken away its a sad day in dust .
Hello,
Thanks for your email and please accept your most sincere apologies for the delay in replying to you.
After thoroughly investigating the issue in question we have now cancelled the vote triggered by the mentioned EVE Online pilot and your CEO role should have been restored. In order for us to do please be aware one of our Game Master (GM Grave) temporary joined your Corporation and modified the number of corporation shares available. This will not in any way affect the Corporation and was only required in order for us to intervene.
Additionally to the above we have also taken extra steps to avoid similar issues occurring again with the parties involved.
We would also like to bring to your attention to take extra care when appointing directors, especially if the player is an EVE Pilot. Corporation Management, EVE side, is much more elaborated than in DUST 514 and Directors, as well as CEO do have a lot more features available to them, some of which can be used in some ways to take over corporations.
Please be on the lookout for further communications on this matter as we will make a public announcement on this issue in the coming days via our official forums in order to clarify the mechanics, policies and our stance on this matter.
If you have any further issue please let us know.
Warm regards,
GM Unicorn
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
Good Job CCP. Salute.
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Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:47:00 -
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RAider Vherikor wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:The simple way to fix this is to give all Dust corps the same stuff as EvE Corps, roles, skills, everything. This way you don't hide options for CEO's that might be detrimental later down the road, like what happened here with the Shares. I'm amazed actually CCP didn't emplement corps this way and instead gave dust some watered down version which has half the Corp options hidden. Apparently the guy who did this agrees with you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3856505#post3856505I liked his post so much I posted a similar one as well. There should be equality for leadership in both games for managing their corps. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120543&find=unread
All the players involved in this are right... There really is no wrong side... all the blame Lie's with CCP. And I'm sure someone is getting an ear full and fingers are pointing the blame away.
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