DUST CEO reassigned the corp to an EVE character at any stage, in which case the shares stay in the corporation wallet.

The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

ok so we are screwed thanks for clearing that up that all dust players are usless against anything eve side because we have no tools or notification of the lack of tools to do anything about everything that eve can do to dust players .... yay

Mind blown! Thank you for throwing some knowledge at us. Very much appreciated.

I've been waiting for an opportune time to say this: "Welcome to New Eden."

Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so.

Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game.

Im still kind of confused on the whole thing.

What are these shares?
What do they do?
Does that EVE pilot have total control over the corp?
And des said EVE pilot have control over the corp tax?

from what i read, an EVE pilot can take over a dust corp effortlessly without does players able to do anything. Is this right?

Honensty, i am worried about other EVE pilots finding out about this and using to "pimp" us mercs for the little ISK we have. I mean if they get complete access to the corp tax and corp wallet.

The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

Im still kind of confused on the whole thing.

What are these shares?
What do they do?
Does that EVE pilot have total control over the corp?
And des said EVE pilot have control over the corp tax?

from what i read, an EVE pilot can take over a dust corp effortlessly without does players able to do anything. Is this right?

Honensty, i am worried about other EVE pilots finding out about this and using to "pimp" us mercs for the little ISK we have. I mean if they get complete access to the corp tax and corp wallet.

Like any business, an Eve corporation has shares. These can be given out to players, and then there are mechanics in Eve that allow votes to happen. Those with shares are able to vote - one of the items that can be voted on is the election of a new CEO (among other things). Other things include a way to have profit sharing for your shareholders. But because of the danger of votes resulting in the removal of a CEO, 99% of all Eve corps do not give out shares thus keeping them "off the market". Dust players don't have this option.

If one player has all the shares, the can force a vote where only he and the CEO can vote - when the CEO is in Dust, the CEO loses the ability to vote due to a lack of mechanics to do so, effectively meaning that the Eve player can take over the corporation legally - albeit as a hostile takeover. All the Eve player does is to take the shares out of the corp wallet and assign them to himself. He can then initiate a vote (that only he can vote on) and install himself as the new CEO - and the old one has no say whatsoever.

Now, if the CEO had a way to protect himself, or I don't know be aware that giving control of the corp temporarily can result in losing the corp, perhaps then things would be acceptable because then the CEO is taking on the danger knowingly or at least with the ability to fight it.

CCP's stance that this is not a critical item at this time is bull. I respect CCP Nullabar, but he is living in a cloud world on this issue. The players need a way to protect themselves; taking on risks without knowing is stupid. If you have the tools to protect yourself but this still happens - well that is on the player. This however is on CCP and they need to make good on this and revert control to the correct people and implement as a band-aid a warning about giving up control. Long term, they need to implement shares into Dust, no matter the "development cost", as this particular thing can truly be game breaking for someone when they have no control over something that they should have control over.

Your corp wallets are safe as there is absolutely no way for an EVE player to take ISK from the dust wallet. They are separate from each other.

Curious.... What weapons have they balanced ever since hit detection/aim assist were fixed/implemented..?

Further more, how is balancing wrong again? They've made some pretty great strides since Uprising first released - Armor Tanking is viable, Heavies got some love, Laser Rifle got some love, Logistics got a slight tweak to ease their Master Race issues, Repair Tools are now viable... Just saying, they've had their teeter totter moments but they've done a pretty damn good job. It's gotten nothing but better, in my opinion.

[CCP's stance that this is not a critical item at this time is bull. I respect CCP Nullabar, but he is living in a cloud world on this issue. The players need a way to protect themselves; taking on risks without knowing is stupid.

I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well.

However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us.

EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time.

Your corp wallets are safe as there is absolutely no way for an EVE player to take ISK from the dust wallet. They are separate from each other.

Or you know, just let Dust players form alliances without having to involve EVE players since its a huge gaping flaw in the system

Most of the top corps in the game are in some form of alliance. And it has an extremely strong effect on how PC battles are carried out. Failing to see the importance of it being represented in game is a rookie mistake.

I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well.

However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us.

EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time.

I can tell you all that from chatting/badgering him constantly at Fanfest and by twitter that CCP Nullabor is nuts for better Corp UI but like he says a complete revamp of the Eve/Dust corp UI will be a BIG project (like crimewatch big for those who play Eve). I want more corp stuff than anyone else in the game but I know the difficulties in doing it. But this is going to be a continuing problem so if a band aid is needed to give a temporary fix before a reworking of the UI from the ground up can be done, then I'm happy about that.

Still going pester the crap out of you Nullabor for my Corp Fittings and hangers still....

Your attitude here is extremely disappointing. A warning message as you mentioned is useless. You have an alliance channel in dust that allows much better interactions among corporations. You have only one way to access it and instead of promoting it and preventing unstoppable issues from the DUST side of things you shrug your shoulders. You sir are my least favorite DEV, and that's saying something :)

Your corp wallets are safe as there is absolutely no way for an EVE player to take ISK from the dust wallet. They are separate from each other.

Welcome to new Eden.
Now you know, lesson learned, don't do it again. Do research next time you hand over your corp to someone you don't know.
Life will only get more difficult as "real" assets come into the game.

hence why i stated above implementing a method in which a dust created corp original CEO could hold 50% of the shares would be held by that person no matter what the case this would seem like a simple yet useful method in which to protect a dust corporation from something like this happening again within the game itself

A shareholder inside a corporation that holds more than 5% of the shares, can force a vote to take over CEOship of the corporation.

As a CEO, you should take all Shares from your corporation wallet and place them into your personal wallet, so that any corporation members issued director rights can't take the shares out of the wallet and usurp you as CEO.