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NanoCleric
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:56:00 -
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Just adding my 2cents to this as i'm involved in this ordeal.
Vala Prime is the CEO of DUST CORE, and they came to join our alliance 'DARKSTAR ARMY'. As many others have done... We inform everyone trying to join us that they would need an eve pilot to become ceo and then to make the applications, in the case of those who don't know any eve pilots they can trust or can't create one themselves... Myself and our CEO had alts which we had unaligned for this purpose so we could help them join.
In this case, it was my alt which was used. Personally i've never been aware of the shares, and have never run a corp or alliance and was simply assisting our CEO Josh in helping dust corps apply to us.
The procedure was explained to me and it seemed simple enough. I sent this as part of a mail to corps who were interested with the procedure:
3) The eve char with CEO needs to do the following:
- Select Corporation
- Select the Alliances tab
- Select the Rankings sub-tab
- Find 'DARKSTAR ARMY'
- Right click our alliance and then click the apply to alliance button (cant remember exact text)
- Send the application
- Have the CEO resign to return powers back to yourself.
- Ensure the eve char finds themselves in the members list and right clicks themselves then selects 'remove all roles'
So these were the steps i took after Vala had passed me CEO.
.. Also before anyone suggests there was any malpractise.. i would also advise them to take all corp funds and put it in their personal wallet if they were to go down the route of trusting us to do it.. just for their peace of mind.
So that's all that was done.. then CEO was returned to vala and i was still ignorant about any of this Share stuff.. i didn't even know a CEO could be voted out until Vala came to me upset and lost for what to do so i ended up googling it and found out the details.
So.. Vala came to me to let me know this had happened and sure enough i read that only directors or CEO's can do this, and then only if they have 5% shares.
Now as far as i'm aware, Vala never gave CEO to anyone else, however she had previously made this other character a director, but then revoked the director from them. I asked Vala if this vote happened before she removed the Director roles and she said that she'd removed his Director roles a long time ago.
So i have no idea how this guy managed to initiate a vote if he was a standard member, even if he somehow grabbed all the shares when he was a director. So i have no explanation for it all other than there is a loophole between Dust and Eve in the coding of it.
The players name as i found out from Vala is: Jihad Destroyer 011011
If it had have been me... well i don't think i could have trusted a name like that as director, but we all have different opinions on things like that.
As for Vala herself.. she is not an Eve player, and she first came to New Eden as a Dust player. So she has no understanding of the eve side of things and she does not have a functional PC either.. she had to rely on friends to help get her messages out, so she most likely won't see the aftermath of this thread either. I told her she should get hold of CCP and let them know about it and hopefully they would help.
So Nullarbor... this is the situation as it occured for as much as i'm aware. So all i could say is could you help them out in this instance.. and if you need to contact vala, can you do so via in-game contacts as i doubt she'll hop back on a PC. Asking her to put a petition in.. she probabely won't end up doing it, she's not very computer-savy and needs assistance with it.
I know that CCP may not see this as a priority, but it's a major loophole which can be exploited by eve players since many dust created corps are very unaware of this concept, even i as an eve player was totally unaware. So something does need to be done and it does need to be more than a warning, else expect a lot more damage control to come your way.. as there's plenty of corps i went through this process with who will be vulnerable too... There will no doubt be many i'm unaware of also. So unless something is done to protect those who have already passed the threshold of the warning... then they are going to end up getting screwed.
Sure enough noone wants extra pressure on them when they are trying to release more content.. but surely neither can you alienate those who trust in you already, that would only serve to turn their backs to your game. If you want to keep people's trust, i think you need to do all you can to jump on this a.s.a.p. before it gets worse. Sure people will be peeved if that means a delay of new content etc... but when it comes to priorities... surely security has to come before shiney new toys.
As a final note, to any other corps who i helped join the alliance, i am very sorry if this has made your corps vulnerable, i would advise that you have your most trusted eve pilot manage your shares correctly to avoid this happening to you, or ensure you don't give director roles to any eve pilots as a rule... Sorry and best of luck. |
NanoCleric
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:54:00 -
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Just a quick update all...
I logged on tonight to check if Vala had the corp back and she hasn't.
I have no idea what CCP did to help, but it's not succeeded. When Vala logged on today at the end of the vote timer with the hope she could have her CEO powers unblocked due to the vote ending.. she found that Jihad had control of the corp, which resulted in him kicking the players who have been supporting her.
Now Jihad has transferred CEO to RAider Vherikor and Vala has no control over the corp anymore.
By his own admission on the EVE forums, Jihad has posted announcing the exploit he found and used against DUST CORE, and mentions he has hit multiple corps via this 'bug/exploit' between the games.
CCP This is your own fault for bad coding, and this coming from someone who works in the game industry himself. You have proivided players with no way to defend themselves from espionage in this instance. If they could defend themselves and lost it, then fair enough.. that's the world of New Eden, but due to bad choices, you have given players the ability to ruin someone's hard work without being challenged.
This should be put to rights to undo your mistake, to reinstate control of the corps to their owners. As mentioned.. i would support the espionage if it was fair and Dust CEO's had mechanics to defend themselves. Since there are no mechanics to do such, then you should put these to rights, and put in defenses against it. Any other course of action imho is down to negligence.
So sorry.. despite CCP claiming they have helped, The theft was successful. |
NanoCleric
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:39:00 -
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Stop being so naieve guys... (these eve pilots and people who know about new eden).
Not everyone is in the same circumstances as you and I, where we can access a PC whenever we feel like it as we own one, nor does everyone have the time to look into things game related. To many people a game is a game and that's where it ends.
I know that Vala has not had easy access to a PC, and is certainly not computer literate. She's had to ask for a lot of help just to come to this forum alone.
Also there are plenty of console gamers out there who have no access to a PC, plenty of adults who have already gone through their schooling and uni.. or didn't have the oppertunity to, and are stuck in situations where money is a real problem.. so natrually won't head out to the nearest net cafe to read up on how alliances work or leading a corp works.
There's many players out there who will have just browsed the PSN Store, seen a free shooter... downloaded it, then simply just enjoyed playing it and making friends, before then seeing you can make a corp in the UI and tried it without knowing 'anything' about it. Then naturally through chatter you hear about alliances forming so they think they aught to join one.. so ask for help as to how.. Naturally they don't have an eve account or know anything about eve so when an eve pilot offers to help then they have no idea what the consequences are.. or even have a clue that they aught to read up on the consequences... Afterall... to them, it's just a game. They have no idea how deep the world of New Eden actually is.
Also, you guys keep banging on about experienced eve pilots, who are you point at exactly? I for one used an alt to help them join the alliance and have no experience with corp leading or what's involved, i've only ever been a mission runner really. I just used the procedure i previously outlined to join them in the alliance and was not told about any other consequences. Plus it was only a 5 minute thing then i left corp so i could be available 24hours later to help another corp join.
I'm unaware of Vala making any other eve pilots director, i'm also unaware of their being any experienced eve pilots in her corp.
As for you saying she had an alt eve pilot.. lol.. it was a trial account she made when she had chance to go on a pc.. and barely touched it and knew nothing about the world she was in. Everything she knows about the game she's had to ask other people about, so where are these experienced eve pilots who 'should have know better'?
You have to realize guys that in the same way you are so naieve to realize that not everyone is as knowledgeable or have access to pc's.. others are very ignorant about the what it was they actually downloaded and the potential risks beyond just clicking a UI button for something with the mentality 'oo, i wonder what this does'.
So i'm sorry guys, you did something clever and managed to steal corps, so your obviously not stupid people... but don't use naieve statements to back up your arguments. CCP dropped the ball on this one, you guys exposed it, and yes it is an exploit as it is 'exploiting a loophole in that build'. Simply due to CCP not taking into account that this could happen. That is what an exploit it.. to make use of a situation which can be considered to be unfair. |
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